skill drain health from: dark avenger, bd, shillen knight dont use bsss anymore and casting seems slower as before but cannot confirm cause of not bsss use
p.s. seems low level drain health skill from paladin work good so its a problem related to top lvl skill
Quote from: Argriev on August 13, 2011, 01:47:26 PM
skill drain health from: dark avenger, bd, shillen knight dont use bsss anymore and casting seems slower as before but cannot confirm cause of not bsss use
p.s. seems low level drain health skill from paladin work good so its a problem related to top lvl skill
its like official now
be happy :D
on official i dont think they dont use bsss :P
low lvl skill from paladin worked as expected with 200 cast speed, but not tested with any kind of shots
and it was faster than casting 1 buff by PP in heavy armor
the skill is magic, not active skill, so activation should be based on cast speed not attak speed, and spiritshots should be usable
Quote from: andreww on August 13, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
its like official now
be happy :D
On official all bd carry bsss for this reason.
Enjoy ,another fail added to your collection. :))
Quote from: Luthor123 on August 14, 2011, 03:47:54 AM
On official all bd carry bsss for this reason.
Enjoy ,another fail added to your collection. :))
Muahahaha pwn
Right, on offi there are few styles to play on bd as mage - in robe and mage weapon, as fighter with sword / dual sword, and as fighter - archer ;P
u can look this from 2 sides...
if u dont use BSSS u will lose half of the power of the skill
So i think i would sacrifice some casting for the dmg.
Dunno nothing about it cause i didnt tested, just adding my ideas to the tread :D
Cheers
I noticed it was slower today - first time I've played my ps/sk in a long time. Its listed as a magical skill in the skill window, isn't it? It shouldn't depend on attack speed >.> but I guess it is.
again, thre isnt any other skill to fck? always have to be this drain ?
turn off shots on dagers :)
Quote from: Unt0uchable on August 15, 2011, 02:53:01 PM
again, thre isnt any other skill to fck? always have to be this drain ?
turn off shots on dagers :)
why evryone complane about dagger`s first allways like daggers are not the onlyone allready nerf it in this chronical bluff nerfed lethel nerfed half skills working based on mental atttacks fighter will give pvp dmg in all fighters skills only not in daggers what els u want nerf remove the blow`s also damn cry boy`s that why in evry fu cking chronical dagger`s was not playable cry more will heppand in this hronical also pffff patetic did u ask ur self how should work ur shild of revange u should ask ur self why give beck to enamy duble time dmg? or that is good for u and u dont complane just allways what is slow u lower u compare it with somone els who u cant kill if u ask for some fix ask to be fix it dont ask for nerfing somone els .........
Well, i've never said that dagger is so op ;p
If he is on target already he dies easily (excepts our lovely tanks - so nerf commin ? xD)
Another thing is that UD is op in sets other than Hvy
And another thing is that even th with Hvy got better stats than on light and many daggers not even subbed to tank runnin in hvy - thats sick for me.
Quote from: windoo on August 16, 2011, 11:24:42 AM
Well, i've never said that dagger is so op ;p
If he is on target already he dies easily (excepts our lovely tanks - so nerf commin ? xD)
Another thing is that UD is op in sets other than Hvy
And another thing is that even th with Hvy got better stats than on light and many daggers not even subbed to tank runnin in hvy - thats sick for me.
to remand u some daggers have also passiv heavy armor mastery from subclass like PP so is 25% reduse critical dmg + the p.def + shild def exaclly now when we dotn have off-hand dagger i dont see the reason why should not have better stat in heavy then in light anyway the light set is vs archer`s mostly playign on evasion stat and + a bit more speed so is not sixk at all just dicaide what u prefer p.def or evasion
Quote from: Kastro on August 15, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
why evryone complane about dagger`s first allways like daggers are not the onlyone allready nerf it in this chronical bluff nerfed lethel nerfed half skills working based on mental atttacks fighter will give pvp dmg in all fighters skills only not in daggers what els u want nerf remove the blow`s also damn cry boy`s that why in evry fu cking chronical dagger`s was not playable cry more will heppand in this hronical also pffff patetic did u ask ur self how should work ur shild of revange u should ask ur self why give beck to enamy duble time dmg? or that is good for u and u dont complane just allways what is slow u lower u compare it with somone els who u cant kill if u ask for some fix ask to be fix it dont ask for nerfing somone els .........
are you idiot or what? that was sarcasm about daggers, and only you didn't see it. i won't een comment on you "daggers already nerfed crap"...
and making drain health from magic to (even not moving to active group) non magic is really sick
Quote from: flamingAwe on August 16, 2011, 11:31:13 AM
are you idiot or what? that was sarcasm about daggers, and only you didn't see it. i won't een comment on you "daggers already nerfed crap"...
and making drain health from magic to (even not moving to active group) non magic is really sick
ye evry chronical was starting with sarcasm and that why afther few years all return on daggers coz still the sarcasm did not catch them and to be forbbiden to be playable again .....
and for that u calling somone idtiot and only spam topic maybe spend ur time in game and impruve ur lame gear coz all time i read u get dmg from this this much that much on that sh1t gear ..... so instatoly spaming do something usfull for ur self and spear all ppl around with ur`s sarcasms
Quote from: Kastro on August 16, 2011, 12:02:38 PM
ye evry chronical was starting with sarcasm and that why afther few years all return on daggers coz still the sarcasm did not catch them and to be forbbiden to be playable again .....
and for that u calling somone idtiot and only spam topic maybe spend ur time in game and impruve ur lame gear coz all time i read u get dmg from this this much that much on that sh1t gear ..... so instatoly spaming do something usfull for ur self and spear all ppl around with ur`s sarcasms
you ARE absolutely positevly IDIOT. personnaly, never cried about any damage made on me, ever. and why would i cry if most daggers hit me 2k, same as archers, same as mages if i don't have right attribute? (most = not all)
This topic not about your "omg-i'm-nerfed-dagger", cause daggers work fine, as should, but about breaking 1 of skills, sarcasm was in that that this disabling spirit shots for mage skill is same as deletting soul shots for daggers - total crap. Unto didn't ask to delete shot for daggers, so GTFO, noone touches your dagger.
Quote from: flamingAwe on August 16, 2011, 12:58:25 PM
you ARE absolutely positevly IDIOT. personnaly, never cried about any damage made on me, ever. and why would i cry if most daggers hit me 2k, same as archers, same as mages if i don't have right attribute? (most = not all)
This topic not about your "omg-i'm-nerfed-dagger", cause daggers work fine, as should, but about breaking 1 of skills, sarcasm was in that that this disabling spirit shots for mage skill is same as deletting soul shots for daggers - total crap. Unto didn't ask to delete shot for daggers, so GTFO, noone touches your dagger.
u know a sh1t about daggers that why u say working evrything how should work .... and i dont see reason why drain not be activ skills when is anyway from fighter class not from mage class so dont see reason to use bless spiritshot bp/da { healer / tank + dmg dealer not look like 2 classes only sems to me like 3 in 1 char
talking to a wall...
Dagers was just example :)
stop this war. Start spam abut topic. Many ppl need this skils (drain health). After merge drain healt sux, they repair it, nec chronice started again drain healt sux, tehy repaired it, so now its sux again, so i please GM to repair it.
simple. u can make even 10k dmg on me with or w/o shout but just turn on bsss on drain health
up for repair drain, time to make happy some tanks :P
bump for all sk-s :]
Quote from: Kastro on August 16, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
u know a sh1t about daggers that why u say working evrything how should work .... and i dont see reason why drain not be activ skills when is anyway from fighter class not from mage class so dont see reason to use bless spiritshot bp/da { healer / tank + dmg dealer not look like 2 classes only sems to me like 3 in 1 char
U are so funny :D
fix drain health pls
Quote from: YaHoYaH on August 17, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
+1 Arpi :]
ye ye for all who use bd/se i`m funny but when i ask for some fix i got answer is work how should be so accpet it also and tell me afther how much funny i`m
pff short story long, working as intended
Quote from: Alex on August 17, 2011, 05:54:38 PM
pff short story long, working as intended
well...i guess u wanted to say "long story short, ..." ^^
Quote from: Phate on August 17, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
well...i guess u wanted to say "long story short, ..." ^^
not exactly, what I meant is that this huge topic about a simple subject wasnt necessary, fighters should have quick cast of their drain in gracia that's why it is working fine
no it doesn't. Its magic skill, so like all magic he should depend on cast speed not atak speed, and he should use bsss. AND MBY GM WILL TAKE SOME VOICE HERE :)
on every site its wrote MAGIC SKILS, thats why it give magic cryt hit :P
So Alex pls stop saying it work how intended.
Quote from: Unt0uchable on August 17, 2011, 07:48:16 PM
no it doesn't. Its magic skill, so like all magic he should depend on cast speed not atak speed, and he should use bsss. AND MBY GM WILL TAKE SOME VOICE HERE :)
on every site its wrote MAGIC SKILS, thats why it give magic cryt hit :P
So Alex pls stop saying it work how intended.
nobody said it stopped being a magic skill, it still depends on matk, but simply fighters should use it faster now.
looking for gm answer!
btw, having shield slam's silence its impossible to use that drain now xD
lol
fak, it is too slow to play with se/bd .. drain health now i crap not skill ;/
UP
Drain health is based on: cast. spd. and m. atk - atm this skill dont use ss/bss there is other attack skill which don't use above? GM pls answer it will stay like this or will be changed? cuz atm playing sk or bd with sub on mage is pointless.
Track will answer:
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w8ing for gm answer about it
i think nobody cares... thats why they fak this skill.. cause they dont care about sk/bd/da mage classes... those classes were weak at pvp but have some advantages on oly.. now they do nothing.. they r useless...
and all this sh1t about being physical skill r stupid... freezing strike works as before, life leech as before only fakin drain changed, why fighers dont need that skill? make them depend on att spd too idiots...
just because they dont care about ppl.. only not to loose at oly.. so fak them.. they wont answer... dont w8... just delete your chars, leave server and fak them too...
Still w8ing for answer, I help to choose (just say smth)
1. Drain health is foked forever, live with it.
2. We screwed it but we will try to fix it.
3. We don't care.
Quote from: vandaloup on August 22, 2011, 06:03:22 PM
just because they dont care about ppl.. only not to loose at oly.. so fak them.. they wont answer... dont w8... just delete your chars, leave server and fak them too...
This is always the smartest option here XD
We will got no GM answer here, only some smart asses and their theories like "working like intended" Mby they will show us more nukes w/o shots consumption ? Or explain why on 1 char 1 nuke using shots and 2nd not ?
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 23, 2011, 11:53:22 AM
Still w8ing for answer, I help to choose (just say smth)
1. Drain health is foked forever, live with it.
2. We screwed it but we will try to fix it.
3. We don't care.
i pick 1 and 3
bump
Dear GM said he will look on it :)
but is possible to look on it before this turnament ?
Quote from: EvilPL on August 23, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
This is always the smartest option here XD
We will got no GM answer here, only some smart asses and their theories like "working like intended" Mby they will show us more nukes w/o shots consumption ? Or explain why on 1 char 1 nuke using shots and 2nd not ?
just dont get the points why u all count da like a nuker when that skill is coming from tank class or also some ppl who play pal/bp should ask for nuke skill coz for real bp/tank +nuker is very intresting
and to answer to vandaloup how can be some char OP on oly and suxs in pvp that`s nevar heppand we have it allways char good in pvp but suxs in oly but ur case is extrim mistery
Quote from: Kastro on August 25, 2011, 03:25:41 PM
just dont get the points why u all count da like a nuker when that skill is coming from tank class or also some ppl who play pal/bp should ask for nuke skill coz for real bp/tank +nuker is very intresting
and to answer to vandaloup how can be some char OP on oly and suxs in pvp that`s nevar heppand we have it allways char good in pvp but suxs in oly but ur case is extrim mistery
Sorry for missunderstanding, but I meant se/bd not .../da. On se/bd are 2 nukes - freezing strike - works with shots, and drain - works w/o shots. I can add here on necro another drain works fine.
Quote from: EvilPL on August 25, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
Sorry for missunderstanding, but I meant se/bd not .../da. On se/bd are 2 nukes - freezing strike - works with shots, and drain - works w/o shots. I can add here on necro another drain works fine.
u cant add necro drain here coz is from mage skill is not skill from fighter class but still as i saw dance fury combats and the cast is again fast and the skill is still based on M.atack i dont see why so much tears
Quote from: EvilPL on August 25, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
Sorry for missunderstanding, but I meant se/bd not .../da. On se/bd are 2 nukes - freezing strike - works with shots, and drain - works w/o shots. I can add here on necro another drain works fine.
Just did some test and is lol :D. When i log game i hit a npc for 300-400 dmg with Drain Health.I open blessed spiritshot and the dmg become 600-800 all hits. So with one spiritshot you have double dmg all time but the casting animation speed is the same. :D
Quote from: Kastro on August 25, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
u cant add necro drain here coz is from mage skill is not skill from fighter class but still as i saw dance fury combats and the cast is again fast and the skill is still based on M.atack i dont see why so much tears
So U say it is a magic skill which casting (CASTING) is based on atk speed? Ok let it be, but then make soulshot work on it.
U told already too much bullshits jst to write smth.
Quote from: Kastro on August 25, 2011, 03:25:41 PM
just dont get the points why u all count da like a nuker when that skill is coming from tank class or also some ppl who play pal/bp should ask for nuke skill coz for real bp/tank +nuker is very intresting
and to answer to vandaloup how can be some char OP on oly and suxs in pvp that`s nevar heppand we have it allways char good in pvp but suxs in oly but ur case is extrim mistery
bd/se was at least a very good char on oly... but on pvp because all have buff was a bit weaker than others... same for se/sk.. same for some orc classes...
bp/da also is very good char for oly.. i dont say he is not good at pvp.. ofc he is.. but he cant kill ppl outside oly.. thats not his role anyway...
thats what i meant.. only 1 vs 1 not general..
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 27, 2011, 09:20:55 PM
So U say it is a magic skill which casting (CASTING) is based on atk speed? Ok let it be, but then make soulshot work on it.
U told already too much bullshits jst to write smth.
i say the skill is still based on M.attack and the casting on the skill is based on attack speed what`s mean u still need good m.atack but to cast it fasther u need attack speed buffs/dance and test u can see the critical hits are so ofthen from the skill
Quote from: vandaloup on August 29, 2011, 06:23:43 PM
bd/se was at least a very good char on oly... but on pvp because all have buff was a bit weaker than others... same for se/sk.. same for some orc classes...
bp/da also is very good char for oly.. i dont say he is not good at pvp.. ofc he is.. but he cant kill ppl outside oly.. thats not his role anyway...
thats what i meant.. only 1 vs 1 not general..
bd/se was very good on oly when they put it {edited skil -heal } but also if u play it good can win some classes about pvp ask ensign or slimtk if is not good char for pvp coz as i remeber ensign is somwhere in top 10 pvp players with this char i gess he was not making them with dual`s or killing bots .... bp/da is tank bishop supose to heal not to nuke if he want to huke he have transformation and can use it
Quote from: Kastro on August 30, 2011, 12:02:26 PM
bd/se was very good on oly when they put it {edited skil -heal } but also if u play it good can win some classes about pvp ask ensign or slimtk if is not good char for pvp coz as i remeber ensign is somwhere in top 10 pvp players with this char i gess he was not making them with dual`s or killing bots .... bp/da is tank bishop supose to heal not to nuke if he want to huke he have transformation and can use it
So U say that (let us stay at the example U gave) bp/da should not use a skill what it has in it's skill list, bcuz healer is not nuker?
It is the same if U would tell to sps/tk not to use shield bash cuz U are not a fighter, or don't use tol and elemental heal cuz U are not healer.
Btw still w8ing for GM's answer, bcuz Track is posting almost in every topic, made a pvp event (which we say thx) but he is avoiding this topic, dunno why.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 12:57:07 PM
So U say that (let us stay at the example U gave) bp/da should not use a skill what it has in it's skill list, bcuz healer is not nuker?
It is the same if U would tell to sps/tk not to use shield bash cuz U are not a fighter.
Btw still w8ing for GM's answer, bcuz Track is posting almost in every topic, made a pvp event (which we say thx) but he is avoiding this topic, dunno why.
i did not told u to not use it i just say it now is based the cast on attack speed u can use use it the cast is a bit slower but still make same dmg like before + shild bush when mage use is a bit slow cast if u have notice what`s mean like fighter use slowly the magic skills that how is now for mage who use fighter skills can u aggree with this? {exanple shild bush in fighter stat u cast it intantly and mage stat u castiting it like half sec right or no?}
But the core of the problem is that drain health is not using bsss. To be frank I never tried on off but till now that skill used bsss, even at start of gracia final start, and suddenly not. That is why I/we ask if it is a fixed skill now or is it a bug.
Tbh I still don't understand why should be a magic skill's casting based on atk speed.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
But the core of the problem is that drain health is not using bsss. To be frank I never tried on off but till now that skill used bsss, even at start of gracia final start, and suddenly not. That is why I/we ask if it is a fixed skill now or is it a bug.
read some posts above, drain health damage doubles, when BSSS are on, compaired to damage w/o BSSS. you don't lose shots, cast speed sux, but damage is normal. Track was asking about the skill at event, so he knows this "problem", too bad no idea, what will be the solution...
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
But the core of the problem is that drain health is not using bsss. To be frank I never tried on off but till now that skill used bsss, even at start of gracia final start, and suddenly not. That is why I/we ask if it is a fixed skill now or is it a bug.
Tbh I still don't understand why should be a magic skill's casting based on atk speed.
maybe coz of balance? have u think? and able like exanple SK use it just to attack from range some skill and land some of his curses{cubic`s}
p.s the skill get power from bsss but not consume them try hit 1 time w/o bsss and afther open bsss and check ur dmg :P
Quote from: flamingAwe on August 30, 2011, 01:12:42 PM
read some posts above, drain health damage doubles, when BSSS are on, compaired to damage w/o BSSS. you don't lose shots, cast speed sux, but damage is normal. Track was asking about the skill at event, so he knows this "problem", too bad no idea, what will be the solution...
Good, so the result is that it is working wrong (U just wrote). I was not on the whole event so dunno what TZ wrote/asked, but thx.
Quote from: Kastro on August 30, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
maybe coz of balance? have u think? and able like exanple SK use it just to attack from range some skill and land some of his curses{cubic`s}
p.s the skill get power from bsss but not consume them try hit 1 time w/o bsss and afther open bsss and check ur dmg :P
Balance? If U want balance then dn sub types should be nerfed and boosted not skills.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 01:21:19 PM
Balance? If U want balance then dn sub types should be nerfed and boosted not skills.
there is no problem of the dn subclasses is allways some char OP coz of 1 skill mostly coz of 1 skill nothing els and in pass was allways nerf nerf on the main class not on the skill so that why we have nevar balance on server {example we was gething allways nerf nerf on archer and there was only 1 skill who was OP and all archers was gething nerf coz of this skill {duals spirit} when that skill got fix it was no cry anymore all archers was hiting almost same as they should ofc depands of the gear } is allways 1 skill who make 1 class OP no more then 1 coz is not wokring like should so same heppand with DA/bp atm skills got the proper stats and there u go bp/da become the char what`s exacly he is make it to be suport in heal/ same is for se/bd is 2 suport class is not bs/sh is not se/sh u want play 2 suport chars that u are doing suport coz outher wise se/bd is full attack buff with nuke skills on self i`m spiking {dance/emp/pow/wm i dont know what els need for mage to incrase his max m.atack so this should explan u evrything coz outher wise is 3 subclass in 1 char not 2 like all have
atm reflect skills are fu ck up DA/mage not get bonus of this coz is based on p.atack if DA put p.atack wepoan on him will be same story huge reflect dmg on enmays who use close range phizical skills and that dmg what is most inportant u gething it 2 times bugged ofc
Imo U're not right, but at least it is nice to talk with U.
I think that it is a weak explanation that bp/da is a tank/healer, it should not nuke. It has a nuke skill, no matter from where, so it should work. Same for se/bd. I can come up again with the tk elemental heal, sps/tk is not a healer, but it can heal itself pretty fast with. And there is not such problem with casting. Tell me if I'm wrong and fe it is based on atk speed.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 01:56:32 PM
Imo U're not right, but at least it is nice to talk with U.
I think that it is a weak explanation that bp/da is a tank/healer, it should not nuke. It has a nuke skill, no matter from where, so it should work. Same for se/bd. I can come up again with the tk elemental heal, sps/tk is not a healer, but it can heal itself pretty fast with. And there is not such problem with casting. Tell me if I'm wrong and fe it is based on atk speed.
ye can heal but that heal cost 239 mana each heal so u calculate if is same aka bp heals who cost 59 mana
Quote from: Kastro on August 30, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
ye can heal but that heal cost 239 mana each heal so u calculate if is same aka bp heals who cost 59 mana
We are not talking about mana cost but proper working of a skill.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
We are not talking about mana cost but proper working of a skill.
zzz dude anoying how u can say we not talking about mana if the skill eat 239 mana how long u can heal and eat 239 mana coz is from fighter class heal is not from mage heal simple have evryting with mana and all detals if u think a bit with the head u care u will undestand what`s is fighter skill what is mage skills and will accept it some skills are fix it to have more ballance and not get editted by 1 skill and all rerroll on that class coz 1 damn skill if u injoy rerolling evry day be my gest half sec casting more not making the char pointless the dmg is still same so stop anoying with this drain health..... all mage`s have no reuse on attack skills and all fighters have fix it resuse on skills not evan based on attack speed not evan based on casting speed so be my gest calculate and make it this skill to be balaance it or somone els of the skills not just cry for saving char`s and nerf outhers like was allready done for dagger 2nd nerf bljak from this cryers cant be playeble any class like should is ....
Quote from: Kastro on August 30, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
zzz dude anoying how u can say we not talking about mana if the skill eat 239 mana how long u can heal and eat 239 mana coz is from fighter class heal is not from mage heal simple have evryting with mana and all detals if u think a bit with the head u care u will undestand what`s is fighter skill what is mage skills and will accept it some skills are fix it to have more ballance and not get editted by 1 skill and all rerroll on that class coz 1 damn skill if u injoy rerolling evry day be my gest half sec casting more not making the char pointless the dmg is still same so stop anoying with this drain health..... all mage`s have no reuse on attack skills and all fighters have fix it resuse on skills not evan based on attack speed not evan based on casting speed so be my gest calculate and make it this skill to be balaance it or somone els of the skills not just cry for saving char`s and nerf outhers like was allready done for dagger 2nd nerf bljak from this cryers cant be playeble any class like should is ....
Reuse was set up by NCSoft for every class, blame them, as mana use. I would not care if drain health would use 300 mana / cast.
Ofc I wanna the best for my char, cuz se/bd is now the most useless piece of sh1t, but I like it (I won't reroll, even if it stays like that). And drain health is not working properly, others said the same. In that half sec more casting many things can happen btw.
I don't rly understand why do U put always other classes like daggers here. Don't talk about balance cuz this word does not even exist on real L2.
ofc will not exsist in the l2 coz evryone cry somone is owerpower somone is nerfed same story evry chornical nevar cant change play style only and stfu must cry this one give me 10k this one give me 20k and nerf what evar kill u fast not think on set up ur char properly and afther when char is rdy come and say that somone hit u with 10 k ...
as for u dude bd/se just change the style only put fury dance combat haste buff wat evar and monk tatto if u want nuke and i dont think u will evan notice the casting but ofc was till now like that i dont like change something on my char so i will QQ on forum let them fix it something what is allready fix it patetic.... i also say it that trick switch /bluff should remove 100 % target and what answer i got now is based on mental attack what`s mean when u switch target on somone`s mean i win bingo and what i did nothing simple remove the skills form bars and continue playing that all i can do ... { and dont tell me switch/trick are not so inportant skills coz is the 2 most powerfull skills if u knwo to use the properly}
oh surprise surprise, bd/se, a class with 2 support subs doesnt deal damage? omfg how unfair!
Quote from: Alex on August 30, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
oh surprise surprise, bd/se, a class with 2 support subs doesnt deal damage? omfg how unfair!
It deals just slowly xD
I don't understand why is it a problem that I/we won't drain health working like before, or like it should. Don't tell me that it is ok now.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
It deals just slowly xD
I don't understand why is it a problem that I/we won't drain health working like before, or like it should. Don't tell me that it is ok now.
i will make the same question why switch/trick and bluff not remove target like before. Don`t tell me is ok to lose 2-3 skills from 1 class
Quote from: Kastro on August 30, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
i will make the same question why switch/trick and bluff not remove target like before. Don`t tell me is ok to lose 2-3 skills from 1 class
Dunno.. ask TZ, I'm not GM or coder. I'm doing the same with my skill.
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 30, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
Dunno.. ask TZ, I'm not GM or coder. I'm doing the same with my skill.
somone answer it that is how it`s work now so i see this skills uslles and i remove them tell u doing the same start play on attack speed if u want to cast fast simple
Okey after talking with drake about drain health problem , here is the conclusion:
If we make it work with BSSS it freaks up even more cause it would drain too much. The drain skill have an high rate ratio, but its fine cause is used by a warrior, now u sub to a mage and use it result u get is a magic skill with SENSLESS power, so to fix it we simply changed the kind of skill from magical to physical. This means that uses normal SS and doesnt use the matack bonus to drain(else it was draining 1k hp each shot when used by a mage). By becoming physical means:
a) cant be interrupted
b) usses SS instead of BSS
c) skill that voosts reuse of mafic skills doesnt affect it
d) matack is not used for drain
Basically is_magic become 0 instead of 1) to overcome the issue of warrior / mage subclass combo using it. This was anyway the "trick"to make massive drains , it was over abused for 2 months, was existing even in HB.
Quote from: TrackZero on August 30, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
This means that uses normal SS and doesnt use the matack bonus to drain(else it was draining 1k hp each shot when used by a mage).
Is this a joke?
skill drains 20% of damage. 1k drain from 5k damage. (+30 sap enchant=50% drain, so 1k from 2k damage). did you see in PvP damages for 5k by mages lately?
skill has 2x weaker drain (20% vs 40%) than necro's VClaw, ~2.5x lower mana cost (48 vs 123), and 1.3 longer reuse (4 vs 3 sec), kinda balanced w/o changing it to fighter type skill
basically it was deactivated by silence, now not (since it's not magic)? was criting based on m crit rate, now it will crit based on what(crit stat???)?
Quote from: flamingAwe on August 30, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Is this a joke?
skill drains 20% of damage. 1k drain from 5k damage. (+30 sap enchant=50% drain, so 1k from 2k damage). did you see in PvP damages for 5k by mages lately?
skill has 2x weaker drain (20% vs 40%) than necro's VClaw, ~2.5x lower mana cost (48 vs 123), and 1.3 longer reuse (4 vs 3 sec), kinda balanced w/o changing it to fighter type skill
basically it was deactivated by silence, now not (since it's not magic)? was criting based on m crit rate, now it will crit based on what(crit stat???)?
Well we got the info about how skill works now, the best we can make is to make tests and screens about damage to proove if it's wrong or not this change on skill.
i'll just laugh seeying an fighter using drain health in mass pvp. "You did 59 damage."
The skill was already close to useless when it was seen as an magic attack.
And what FlamingAwe said... + add that drain health has an range of 600 (while other drains like vampiric claw has 900). + The re-use of drain health (even with 2,4k c speed and all the buffs) was still not spam-able like all other mage attacks.
So i dont get the problem how it was before. It seems there's something wrong with my eyes... cause it seemed to be wtf OP.
ok so if it psychical skill so why dager+ full dark give less dmg than am+ full dark,
next think: on official server tanks and bd use robe set magic shout for cast this skill.
another: where u saw hits from this drain for 5k ?
Soo... now to pk ppl i must fro my se/bd make warrior ?
not arcana mace just some weapon for warrior with good p.atak ?
and now i have to get set for str ? is this skill depends from str ?
.... after some modyfications (now i got bd/se) and items and bufs for warrior - still its just support. ;/
sorry but i still dont understand why this skill should be changed.... the reasons i think r funny and imaginary... for me its another useless change, there r many other things to be fixed and they did that!!!!! nc.. i think they dont have anything else to do and just mess with our brains.... the result of all these topic is one answer at least...
"we faked this skill because we though it d be fun to screw some classes (that we though was OP because of that skill.. lol) live with it"
Senseless "fix"... there was no problem with it before.
Anyway thx for the answer TZ.
Tests on se/bd on mage stats of drain health skill:
Spirit shots activated consumes spiritshot: no
Spirit shots activated increases damage: yes
Spirit shots activated increases cast speed : no
damage based on m atck : yes
soulshots activated consumes soulshots: no
soulshots activated increases damage: no
soulshots activated increases cast speed : no
crit damage, compaired to normal damage: ~x3
PoWind gives +20% crit power: seems not (but with variable skill damage this test is unreliabe)
death whisper incresing crit power: no
Quote from: flamingAwe on August 31, 2011, 01:07:29 PM
Tests on se/bd on mage stats of drain health skill:
Spirit shots activated consumes spiritshot: no
Spirit shots activated increases damage: yes
Spirit shots activated increases cast speed : no
damage based on m atck : yes
soulshots activated consumes soulshots: no
soulshots activated increases damage: no
soulshots activated increases cast speed : no
crit damage, compaired to normal damage: ~x3
PoWind gives +20% crit power: seems not (but with variable skill damage this test is unreliabe)
death whisper incresing crit power: no
w8 restart on server and afther make 1 more test ... but like i undestand the critical hits will be based on critical of stats {focus .hunter} but wont be based on m.atack anymore reause is fix 2 sec casting speed based on attack speed = totaly meaning fughter skill based on p.atack and fighters statistincs what`s means with this topic u lost it more then u espectit u have it at last slow casting on skill wat was faster on attack speed buffs but based on m.atack now u lost it totaly the skill from mage stats .....
p.s: now will come the real cry`s coz is totaly uslles for mage :)
Quote from: Kastro on August 31, 2011, 01:31:06 PM
w8 restart on server and afther make 1 more test ... but like i undestand the critical hits will be based on critical of stats {focus .hunter} but wont be based on m.atack anymore reause is fix 2 sec casting speed based on attack speed = totaly meaning fughter skill based on p.atack and fighters statistincs what`s means with this topic u lost it more then u espectit u have it at last slow casting on skill wat was faster on attack speed buffs but based on m.atack now u lost it totaly the skill from mage stats .....
p.s: now will come the real cry`s coz is totaly uslles for mage :)
Dunno why are U so happy for this..
Quote from: Kastro on August 31, 2011, 01:31:06 PM
w8 restart on server and afther make 1 more test ... but like i undestand the critical hits will be based on critical of stats {focus .hunter} but wont be based on m.atack anymore reause is fix 2 sec casting speed based on attack speed = totaly meaning fughter skill based on p.atack and fighters statistincs what`s means with this topic u lost it more then u espectit u have it at last slow casting on skill wat was faster on attack speed buffs but based on m.atack now u lost it totaly the skill from mage stats .....
p.s: now will come the real cry`s coz is totaly uslles for mage :)
where did you see any skill crit based on critical stat? xD
also any ph skill with power 108 is... 0 xD will deal maybe 10 damage
Quote from: Arpee87 on August 31, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
Dunno why are U so happy for this..
not heppy just laugh coz u dont know to stop cry when u still have it the dmg from the skill and with little chnage on playstyle on attack speed what was 2 buffs only u almost have it same cast speed and with continue crying u lost it totaly the skill so why i should not laugh
U would cry too if your backstab would be a magic skill suddenly (ofc if U have dagger).
Btw wanted to change playing style on se/bd... And U're right, we should w8 that restart, and check the skill then.
so to avoid problem of mage/fighter sub lets delete also soul cry and soul guard from all orc subbed ol and wc
drain health never was so overpowered skill cause 600 range and LOW sap in comparison of vampiric claw or dark vortex or ol-wc drain and since gracia had a fixed reuse u just made made a mess where there isnt problem about
maybe some uberdonator cryed about that ? :P
i m w8ing that change also to
freezing strike~lighning strike~hex~power break~life leech (dont know about sacrifise~tol) cause they are figher skills....
they must work based on att speed... not on cast............
p.s. what i heard today! bp/da was OP thats why they nerf drain!! axaxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaa.... the weakest bp/tank on server is OP because of a drain..... xaxaxaxaxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaa.... rofl!!!!!!!!!!
UP UP we dont have exhaustive excuse :D
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
better dont forget!
come one Track You cant just leave it now. Or be fair and make all fighters skill depens on a speed
Quote from: Argriev on September 13, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
Quote from: Unt0uchable on September 13, 2011, 05:06:58 PM
come one Track You cant just leave it now. Or be fair and make all fighters skill depens on a speed
hex, LS, and drains are magic skills, in what it's fair to make them as fighter skills ? :D
btw, debuff that blocks all ph skills on dino island, doesn't block drain health xD
so the only thing they chaged is dependsnt on atck speed and non consumable usage of spirit shots xD
Quote from: flamingAwe on September 19, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
btw, debuff that blocks all ph skills on dino island, doesn't block drain health xD
so the only thing they chaged is dependsnt on atck speed and non consumable usage of spirit shots xD
till last week dino island silence it block that, i must try if i get mage silence i still can use that skill
Quote from: Argriev on September 13, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
better dont forget
UPUPUPUP !!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Argriev on September 13, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
Quote from: Argriev on September 13, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
reminder
+1
+2
i think drain heath need activated shots.Now shots no rules when i use and i think all clasess needs = oportunitys to competitoion at game.Me clas is se/bd andf i like me char.Pls if it posible activated shots for darin health thanx.
Quote from: Argriev on September 13, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
just to remind :D
Drain health
Target: Someone (TARGET_ONE)
Element: Dark
Element Power: 20
Reuse Delay: 4000
Hit Time: 3000
Skill Type: DRAIN
Is Magic: Yes (true)
Operate Type: Active (OP_ACTIVE)
Cast Range: 600
Effect Range: 1100
Absorbs HP, %: 0.2
better dont forget!!