Server is up,we players could do one simple thing.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING THIS FRIEND MESSAGE TO GET 1 FRIEND.
Insist on this and believe me u will have 2k soon online.
Thats our objective atm.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING HIM MESSAGE TO DO THE SAME
Good idea! ;)
if you reach 2k online, my team comes back and conquer this server again ;D
i would like to see the reborn
+1! :) I'm bringing even more, we have 597 Million inhabitants here lol! Come on everybody! :)
Quote from: Kabally on June 27, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
Server is up,we players could do one simple thing.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING THIS FRIEND MESSAGE TO GET 1 FRIEND.
Insist on this and believe me u will have 2k soon online.
Thats our objective atm.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING HIM MESSAGE TO DO THE SAME
Bump for naab
Good luck :)
Quote from: ZeniT on June 27, 2014, 06:11:11 PM
if you reach 2k online, my team comes back and conquer this server again ;D
i would like to see the reborn
why you dont just come back and try to "conquer" the server again?
lets go spam the world
it is friday! lets get a nice weekend with new players and old players
:D
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on June 27, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
why you dont just come back and try to "conquer" the server again?
if there was a project about opening new server like tarantula or even itself fresh start we would already be here
I personaly had hope for something like this :D (bored as hell)
answer to your question: It's like nothing to conquer, what... or who? kabally and his group?
anyway I was pleasently suprised on your server, never played substack before, this was my first substack server, I would give it another try if something new pops up :)
I'm having some issues logging in. When I pressed login, nothing happened.
I did a full check, and now Lineage 2 won't start. The Lineage 2 image pops up for a split second, and then it disappears again. Is anyone else experiencing this? I want to get my friends playing asap, but I feel like I have to make sure everything really is working first ^^
EDIT: Deleted System and did a full check. Works now :)
If u have the problem with corrupted files download the patch only delete ur old system copy the new one and start l2 as administrator and if is smthing wrong turn off ur antivirus until u log the game
Quote from: teqi on June 27, 2014, 08:10:56 PM
if there was a project about opening new server like tarantula or even itself fresh start we would already be here
I personaly had hope for something like this :D (bored as hell)
answer to your question: It's like nothing to conquer, what... or who? kabally and his group?
anyway I was pleasently suprised on your server, never played substack before, this was my first substack server, I would give it another try if something new pops up :)
Well instead of talking join and fight kabally? Maybe enemy is stronger now, fighting on forum aint helping at all.
Anyway starting monday we will work on prmotion etc...
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on June 27, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
Can you link latest and official patch pls?
It is the same one as before, go to home page and download www.dragon-network.net
Fullcheck and run as admin...
And 1 more thing about players who claim they pwned the server.
On the very same start of ANY server ,players who rush to the top and players who have a lot of time to play 24/7 will clearly have big advantage 1st few months, because others have much less time and need more time to gear up , level in order to confort you on proper level.
So seems enemy you claim doesnt exist reached the point where they can confornt you. Claiming you are god when you had monopol to everything is rather false. Using excuse "there is no enemy we pwned all when everyone were lvl 20 and us 70 " is quite , wierd.
So if you really want to prove how strong and skilled u are , now is the time when cards are devided fair to all.
Is it really worth coming back? BlackAngelz around?
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 28, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
Is it really worth coming back? BlackAngelz around?
If everyone do come back instead of asking, then i believe it is.
Its like, hey is chockolate sweet? Try maybe?
Don't dare to mention chocolate, my love !
Well, I won't start over to just farm yet never reach donators or nolifers (once again).
The thing and its for everyone.
Find solutions not excuses,come on the ground niggas,ill spank ur full pt,come on...after monday ill be again around,ill spank ur full pts again..come on the terrain niggaz
SS2
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 28, 2014, 12:32:00 AM
Don't dare to mention chocolate, my love !
Well, I won't start over to just farm yet never reach donators or nolifers (once again).
Unless you expect x5000 rate, leveling up is quite easy now (not to mention now when rates are doubled!!), gearing up is also easy, and in all do respect donations doesnt brake bor affect the gameplay at all. Donations have never been more fair and balanced. They dont disadvantage the players who dont support the server at all, since we have no armors nor weapons on donny .
Therefor dont wait, just join.
I just would like to know 1 thing. How do you want to attract these friends? You all know it's not easy like "hey, play with me on Dragon, it's good. Ok". Sth like this won't happen. You need to use good arguments to make this ppl curious and attrack them with something interesting, which will make them atlast try out this server.
It's a serious question and i'm looking forward for a serious answer.
I'm not trolling, don't delete this post^^
Quote from: Naiz on June 28, 2014, 01:38:51 AM
I just would like to know 1 thing. How do you want to attract these friends? You all know it's easy like "hey, play with me on Dragon, it's good. Ok". Sth like this won't happen. You need to use good arguments to make this ppl curious and attrack them with something interesting, which will make them atlast try out this server.
It's a serious question and i'm looking forward for a serious answer.
I'm not trolling, don't delete this post^^
- long lasting server with the credibility and capability to stay online for very long time (10 years now and counting). It guarantee you , the players, that your chars and investment will remain here and that your time consumed is not wasted.
- balanced substack server which brings new dimension in l2 . More interesting and more joyful for the players. Trademark of DN and originally made by DN
- fair rates
- anti bot rules
- 3 different languages to play (PL,Ru,ENG)
- NO overpowered donations , balanced market
- active and not playing staff
- events/tournaments
- transparency of all items in game (see homepage)
- 3rd software protection
- quick bug fixing solution
Theese are just some, but in my opinion what you players (old and new) should value the most is that we NEVER wipe servers, we exist for 10 years and we dont close servers.
We deliver you a good project and good product to enjoy and have fun.
Nowadays servers grow like mushrooms after he rain but they even close faster , and then reopen under different name. Close, open again.
With DN you have our credibilty as proof that wont happen. And i do believe it is very important if you are spending time somewhere. This is the fact that many of players out there forget!
Anyhow , even with theese facts, we need to work togather to bring more players and to do things together to make this place big and joyful to stay.
I hope i helped somehow.
i havent played in months. what was the approximate player count before the server went down?
Quote from: karupt on June 28, 2014, 07:45:20 AM
i havent played in months. what was the approximate player count before the server went down?
Again counts , numbers and population. If everyone take this as a most important thing any server would be empty. In partcular because everyone would ask "how many online" before even joining which would result = no players in game but full forum.
DN is not some server that appeared out of nowehere with no integrity. We are here 10 years our testimony are succesiful servers and uptime without wipe /nor closing for a decade.
In other words if you wish to play on secured server without worries of closing and time spent for nothing, this is the place. In the end there is almost no server like us , nor with thr such a long existance.
And answer to your question is , around ~1,200ish
Thank you
Unhappy people can leave and let us others who care to bring more people, therefor all comments not related to the mentioned goal will be deleted.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on June 28, 2014, 02:14:39 PM
Unhappy people can leave and let us others who care to bring more people, therefor all comments not related to the mentioned goal will be deleted.
Check pm! ;D
Quote from: Kabally on June 27, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
Server is up,we players could do one simple thing.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING THIS FRIEND MESSAGE TO GET 1 FRIEND.
Insist on this and believe me u will have 2k soon online.
Thats our objective atm.
EVERY PLAYER GET 1 FRIEND TO PLAY,PASSING HIM MESSAGE TO DO THE SAME
You should WORK IN MLM- Multi Lvl Marketing ;0
btw where are you from??
Quote from: LustForPower on June 28, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
You should WORK IN MLM- Multi Lvl Marketing ;0
btw where are you from??
Lol this product is not meant to be purchased, MLM does not work here. A good MKT advertisement strategy is the best idea and it already started. :)
Quote from: LustForPower on June 28, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
You should WORK IN MLM- Multi Lvl Marketing ;0
btw where are you from??
Im from portugal
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on June 28, 2014, 02:00:30 AM
- long lasting server with the credibility and capability to stay online for very long time (10 years now and counting). It guarantee you , the players, that your chars and investment will remain here and that your time consumed is not wasted.
- balanced substack server which brings new dimension in l2 . More interesting and more joyful for the players. Trademark of DN and originally made by DN
- fair rates
- anti bot rules
- 3 different languages to play (PL,Ru,ENG)
- NO overpowered donations , balanced market
- active and not playing staff
- events/tournaments
- transparency of all items in game (see homepage)
- 3rd software protection
- quick bug fixing solution
Theese are just some, but in my opinion what you players (old and new) should value the most is that we NEVER wipe servers, we exist for 10 years and we dont close servers.
We deliver you a good project and good product to enjoy and have fun.
Nowadays servers grow like mushrooms after he rain but they even close faster , and then reopen under different name. Close, open again.
With DN you have our credibilty as proof that wont happen. And i do believe it is very important if you are spending time somewhere. This is the fact that many of players out there forget!
Anyhow , even with theese facts, we need to work togather to bring more players and to do things together to make this place big and joyful to stay.
I hope i helped somehow.
Thx for answer and i really do apreciate your effort, but the thing ppl care the most is online. I know you don't like talking about it, but it is what really counts. I logged into the game like 3h ago, to check the exp/pvp locations and towns, cuz i was curious if some1 is doing anything. I was thinking about comming back for some actions, but after what i saw there's no point to log and farm for. So now, how should i get friends playing here, if i can't even convince myself to come back.
I really hope that this server will be fun and populated someday and i keep my fingers crossed, but honestly some kind of miracle could make this happen. I'm gonna check this server isometimes, cuz i'm prolly gonna start playing again with friends after the summer. For now keep up the good work and honest good luck from me.
Quote from: Naiz on June 28, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
Thx for answer and i really do apreciate your effort, but the thing ppl care the most is online. I know you don't like talking about it, but it is what really counts. I logged into the game like 3h ago, to check the exp/pvp locations and towns, cuz i was curious if some1 is doing anything. I was thinking about comming back for some actions, but after what i saw there's no point to log and farm for. So now, how should i get friends playing here, if i can't even convince myself to come back.
I really hope that this server will be fun and populated someday and i keep my fingers crossed, but honestly some kind of miracle could make this happen. I'm gonna check this server isometimes, cuz i'm prolly gonna start playing again with friends after the summer. For now keep up the good work and honest good luck from me.
Remake exci,as i did with sindy,lets pvp now dawg.
I garantie you good pvps always,afk
Quote from: Naiz on June 28, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
Thx for answer and i really do apreciate your effort, but the thing ppl care the most is online. I know you don't like talking about it, but it is what really counts. I logged into the game like 3h ago, to check the exp/pvp locations and towns, cuz i was curious if some1 is doing anything. I was thinking about comming back for some actions, but after what i saw there's no point to log and farm for. So now, how should i get friends playing here, if i can't even convince myself to come back.
I really hope that this server will be fun and populated someday and i keep my fingers crossed, but honestly some kind of miracle could make this happen. I'm gonna check this server isometimes, cuz i'm prolly gonna start playing again with friends after the summer. For now keep up the good work and honest good luck from me.
Do you realise that server was 25 days down?
Also dont forget is summer that affects as well.
Anyway logging once in a milion years is not what increases amount of players online.
If you really wish to play you will play and invite friends, if not you will find unlimited excuses. Lets be honest.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on June 28, 2014, 09:29:05 PM
Where is ss?
No, not ss2, i mean screenshots xD
Later bro,i dont have more time atm
Quote from: Kailenaa on June 28, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
So as i said before, i think the only solution that could do the thing is a lot of advertising. I Mean a lot, like never before on Dragon-Network.
Have you ever considered implementing a referral system? For example, for every friend that you invite, and he will get xx lvl, you will get something.
That's interesting, i ask myself if its possible to know if someone behind a char is a different real person. I mean, how to measure it. Maybe to make a DNET 2014 roster and gauge online playing time? :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on June 28, 2014, 02:00:30 AM
- events/tournaments
EvilSpirits are gone, u guys will finally stand a chance right there, gear up and wait for next tournaments!
Never seen ES since 1st day on server maybe 1-3 members.
Quote from: reddragonjr on June 29, 2014, 11:36:24 PM
Never seen ES since 1st day on server maybe 1-3 members.
But some are lurking on the forums, I can make you sure on that. :)
Serwer seems to be populating from day to day but the numbers arent big still. Tried to Vote but seems that its not working for now. Donations work - supported the server y-day. Today ill try to call some old L2 friends to play again.
Peace,
There will be some news about voting starting for next month.
Is complicated bring new ppl for one server that was already with player gearing, high lv, weapons armor +++.. For be honestly what fack the server donation for Enchants, grats see a bow +10 DB vs DC robe that is the best A grade set +3 taking 3k Dmg by archer, our server need new tatics for publicity, and make more interesting the server.
Not to mention the players who were punished with perma jail for repeated bots and reappeared, it discourages any player who wants to play by the rules.
Quote from: suprax on July 01, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
Is complicated bring new ppl for one server that was already with player gearing, high lv, weapons armor +++.. For be honestly what fack the server donation for Enchants, grats see a bow +10 DB vs DC robe that is the best A grade set +3 taking 3k Dmg by archer, our server need new tatics for publicity, and make more interesting the server.
Sorry but the argument for +++ armor/weapon is not valid. Tarantula isnt starwars . Enchants at donny arent the problem either, because in the end we dont have nor weapons nor armor. So you have to craft them every time when you wish to enchant!!
Quote from: papaum on July 01, 2014, 01:00:17 AM
Not to mention the players who were punished with perma jail for repeated bots and reappeared, it discourages any player who wants to play by the rules.
What in the hell are you talking about?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 01, 2014, 07:11:40 AM
Sorry but the argument for +++ armor/weapon is not valid. Tarantula isnt starwars . Enchants at donny arent the problem either, because in the end we dont have nor weapons nor armor. So you have to craft them every time when you wish to enchant!!
Im not talking about Starwars dude. W/e why you send Mail for each player about the server, with info about server. I know many server that had like 8month off and after they just send mail for the re-open. And this really work
Quote from: suprax link=topic=284125.msg2455449#msg2455449 date=140419-3022
Im not talking about Starwars dude. W/e why you send Mail for each player about the server, with info about server. I know many server that had like 8month off and after they just send mail for the re-open. And this really work
R O T F L
The L2TOPZONE site says 12 ppl voted for serwer. So we can start by Voting. Seems like it's too hard for some ppl to vote.
I like this Retro guy :d
Quote from: Chlastacz on July 01, 2014, 08:57:31 AM
The L2TOPZONE site says 12 ppl voted for serwer. So we can start by Voting. Seems like it's too hard for some ppl to vote.
No reward = no vote
Simple
Lol no reward no vote? i just voted and its not so much problem to vote and bring more people here,
when this is your statement i dont understand why you still playing here.
Quote from: dabird1980 on July 01, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
Lol no reward no vote? i just voted and its not so much problem to vote and bring more people here,
when this is your statement i dont understand why you still playing here.
I mean for the 99% of players... not for me but nvm
The ULTIMATE reward is more players on server.
Quote from: suprax on July 01, 2014, 07:37:02 AM
W/e why you send Mail for each player about the server, with info about server. I know many server that had like 8month off and after they just send mail for the re-open. And this really work
That. Just send email to every mail assigned to forum account and every mail assigned to game account.
Quote from: askia on July 01, 2014, 11:58:14 AM
No reward = no vote
Simple
That too. Add those goddamn hats as rewards and everyone will be happy.
We will add some stuff, we are on it. Anyhow point isnt in hats at all....its in the attitude :(
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 01, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
We will add some stuff, we are on it. Anyhow point isnt in hats at all....its in the attitude :(
People wont vote for a hat reward... make it better and give Exp/sp drop/spoil runes or something like that (if its posible on l2off ofc)
People should vote for server not for rewards,giving hats its already a big plus.I guess you wont be satisfied even whit coins for votes.
Well I voted more times every day since server start and didn't expect nothing in return.All should done the same if they want more ppl.
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on July 01, 2014, 04:21:15 PM
People should vote for server not for rewards,giving hats its already a big plus.I guess you wont be satisfied even whit coins for votes.
People should be good, and some are bad. The world peace should be and its not. There are rich and there are poor... people only will move for real stuff since HUMAN RACE is selfish....
True or not, deal with it
Best regards
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on July 01, 2014, 04:21:15 PM
People should vote for server not for rewards,giving hats its already a big plus.I guess you wont be satisfied even whit coins for votes.
Quote from: askia on July 01, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
People should be good, and some are bad. The world peace should be and its not. There are rich and there are poor... people only will move for real stuff since HUMAN RACE is selfish....
True or not, deal with it
Best regards
This is not a matter of good or bad ppl, it's just that some ppl motivate by extrinsic rewards that lasts less in time and have to be adjusted faster (with items, coins or better administration), and others by intrinsic rewards wich lasts longer and have to be adjusted slower (with achievements, work itself and advancement), or both, just that. @Trackzero check Skype later. 8)
Quote from: reddragonjr on June 29, 2014, 11:36:24 PM
Never seen ES since 1st day on server maybe 1-3 members.
well im not the "core" es member, but i was playing with them on server and dunno if u know, from 2 pvp events we took both first places.
maybe class 1 and 2 change with voting
Quote from: Peorexo on July 02, 2014, 10:52:08 AM
well im not the "core" es member, but i was playing with them on server and dunno if u know, from 2 pvp events we took both first places.
Seems like events are pretty big deal out here. Didn't expect that one comming. Wow
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 11:18:02 AM
Seems like events are pretty big deal out here. Didn't expect that one comming. Wow
Are you really that much hurted dn player? What we did to you to hate us so much?
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 11:18:02 AM
Seems like events are pretty big deal out here. Didn't expect that one comming. Wow
Sad exci is sad, couldnt win any :(
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 11:25:14 AM
Are you really that much hurted dn player? What we did to you to hate us so much?
Why hurted? Did you see any hate? I'm just surprised that for some ppl events are more important than sieges/epics. Usually no1 care about events. I mean many ppl are participating in events, but no1 takes it seriously.
It's actually funny how you think that every1 are hating dn and you're looking for any kind of conspiracy in every single post, while there is pretty much no1 rly hating.
BTW. Stop blaming ppl for your own mistakes, which made so many ppl leave.
BTW2. The ony thing i might be "hurted" about is this server not being nearly as good as it could be, which is mostly your (i mean all gms ) fault.
http://l2online.info/
Even dragon has more population nowadays... wtf
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 01:47:06 PM
Why hurted? Did you see any hate? I'm just surprised that for some ppl events are more important than sieges/epics. Usually no1 care about events. I mean many ppl are participating in events, but no1 takes it seriously.
It's actually funny how you think that every1 are hating dn and you're looking for any kind of conspiracy in every single post, while there is pretty much no1 rly hating.
BTW. Stop blaming ppl for your own mistakes, which made so many ppl leave.
BTW2. The ony thing i might be "hurted" about is this server not being nearly as good as it could be, which is mostly your (i mean all gms ) fault.
And our fault it is, because of?
Because we have balanced system?
Because we dont have nor favorize donations nor special donations?
We have the most fair donation system ever.
Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players.
Because we care?
Because we are professional?
Because we are different then what you got used to?
I really dont get it!? What exaclty we did bad toward players to make them leave? Game have never been more balanced and fair for for all, giving equal chance to all. So yes , i do consider hating, when we are blamed for something we didnt do.
Other servers appear, collect cash and run away. They re-open after a while and those very same players comeback and even protect their server on the community forums....Most of them usually wipe unlimited timea.It seems being stable, proffesional and for so many years here is a bad thing. Seems we should start doing same thing they do, we would be more respected.
So thank you once again.
dat feeling when ex1 are talking about sieges <3
Well i guess its just a matter of time new people will come and old people will come back.
Its just a matter of time before people will realise what a good balanced server means without overpowered weapons etc. etc. (one of the reasons why i quit dragon and continue on tarantula)
So shut up and vote all and try get more people as soon as possible!
Quote from: dabird1980 on July 02, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
Well i guess its just a matter of time new people will come and old people will come back.
Its just a matter of time before people will realise what a good balanced server means without overpowered weapons etc. etc. (one of the reasons why i quit dragon and continue on tarantula)
So shut up and vote all and try get more people as soon as possible!
thanks for your good words we rly appreciate it!
Anyway in the following days we will improve vote system to stimulate more ppls to vote for our server and let it grown even more.
Quote from: xLaserkillerx on July 02, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Btw is it possible to set up a npc for deleveling ?its pretty boring when u must kill urself 1232 times to reach a certain level that u need ..
+1
Quote from: xLaserkillerx on July 02, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Btw is it possible to set up a npc for deleveling ?its pretty boring when u must kill urself 1232 times to reach a certain level that u need ..
.expoff?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 02:43:39 PM
And our fault it is, because of?
Because we have balanced system?
Because we dont have nor favorize donations nor special donations?
We have the most fair donation system ever.
Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players.
Because we care?
Because we are professional?
Because we are different then what you got used to?
I really dont get it!? What exaclty we did bad toward players to make them leave? Game have never been more balanced and fair for for all, giving equal chance to all. So yes , i do consider hating, when we are blamed for something we didnt do.
Other servers appear, collect cash and run away. They re-open after a while and those very same players comeback and even protect their server on the community forums....Most of them usually wipe unlimited timea.It seems being stable, proffesional and for so many years here is a bad thing. Seems we should start doing same thing they do, we would be more respected.
So thank you once again.
-Too low rates
-Too easy to sub (too many golkies)
-Retarded and failed custom area(GOE)
-freaked up advertisement (pretty much not excistent)
-freaked siege times
-No mana pots(we've been bragging about this subject zilion times, but more ppl would play here with potion system like on dragon)
-Retarded RB spawn timers
-Too low d/s timers which means pw/sws(one of the most enjoyable champs imo) an unplayable champion
and others
It's just few things that came up to my mind instantly.
BTW.
Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players. - This made my day. Prolly funniest thing you've written lately.
Quote from: N!k on July 02, 2014, 02:55:16 PM
dat feeling when ex1 are talking about sieges <3
We missed 1 week sieges, you missed all others. Why would you even write anything after you failed this server so hard with having such a big face on forum. Hilarious.
And i forgot about these stupid and unnecessary nerfs to Deflect Arrow and UD.
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
-Too low rates
-Too easy to sub (too many golkies)
-Retarded and failed custom area(GOE)
-freaked up advertisement (pretty much not excistent)
-freaked siege times
-No mana pots(we've been bragging about this subject zilion times, but more ppl would play here with potion system like on dragon)
-Retarded RB spawn timers
-Too low d/s timers which means pw/sws(one of the most enjoyable champs imo) an unplayable champion
and others
It's just few things that came up to my mind instantly.
BTW. Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players. - This made my day. Prolly funniest thing you've written lately.
We missed 1 week sieges, you missed all others. Why would you even write anything after you failed this server so hard with having such a big face on forum. Hilarious.
failed? xD we joined 6 epics 3of them we take. but well i dont have much time for game so i quit.
About sieges - you was on 1 siege from all time we was playing. And ye i got like 10 privat msgs with the most loled sence ever: we r not going to join any sieges bcoz its stupid to pvp there.
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
....
I aggree on some parts with him.
Balance? maybe in words, but not in game
custom zone .. is like 0, no1 care about it (yes I know there are few ppl visited the place, or tried abusing it's feature), and yet almost in every single update you did, it was something about ... "we changed something in GoE" KK tnx.
It was funny to hear ppl's reaction on TS when I was reading them GoE updates (those replies made my day already :) ).
I have to mention also rb respawn, It was just fine as It's retail, but your setup was most ridiculous I've ever seen, you did not lower the respawn but delayed most of them, but oh well we had our fights about this back then :) yet you are wrong about it. So overall, you did mistakes
Anyway when I came to this server, I came because I checked features as it was advertised and I kinda liked it as it is, but you did many wrong changes.. I don't mind if they are about stability and bug fixes.
I'll be sneaking around, maybe there will be another Tarantula someday.
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
-Too low rates
-Too easy to sub (too many golkies)
-Retarded and failed custom area(GOE)
-freaked up advertisement (pretty much not excistent)
-freaked siege times
-No mana pots(we've been bragging about this subject zilion times, but more ppl would play here with potion system like on dragon)
-Retarded RB spawn timers
-Too low d/s timers which means pw/sws(one of the most enjoyable champs imo) an unplayable champion
and others
It's just few things that came up to my mind instantly.
BTW. Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players. - This made my day. Prolly funniest thing you've written lately.
We missed 1 week sieges, you missed all others. Why would you even write anything after you failed this server so hard with having such a big face on forum. Hilarious.
You forget 2 of the most important things why you must play here and vote: No overpowered chars and almost no bots on this server, these 2 arguments are way bigger then those little arguements you wrote, try to look on the good things instead of the bad things. I know for sure that you cant find a single server thats perfect.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 02:43:39 PM
And our fault it is, because of?
Because we have balanced system?
Because we dont have nor favorize donations nor special donations?
We have the most fair donation system ever.
Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players.
Because we care?
Because we are professional?
Because we are different then what you got used to?
I really dont get it!? What exaclty we did bad toward players to make them leave? Game have never been more balanced and fair for for all, giving equal chance to all. So yes , i do consider hating, when we are blamed for something we didnt do.
Other servers appear, collect cash and run away. They re-open after a while and those very same players comeback and even protect their server on the community forums....Most of them usually wipe unlimited timea.It seems being stable, proffesional and for so many years here is a bad thing. Seems we should start doing same thing they do, we would be more respected.
So thank you once again.
its not a troll post, facts only:
1. I dont know why you talk allways about balance, because nothing is balanced on server.
-masspvp unbalanced: mages are useless (resists are insane op (max 300dmg with max buff,valakas)+ 40% crit dmg tatoo boost for archers and daggers)
-oly unbalaced: gladi/pp cant lose a match, there are 2-3 char which lose only vs gladi/pp, anything else lose before the match starts
2. most fair donation system? u can buy bews from coins, enuff said
3. fails: u made many changes for trash players (exp rate change many times, ridiculous boss respawn times, golki changes etc) ofc every serious clan/player left the server
Quote from: Naiz on July 02, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
And i forgot about these stupid and unnecessary nerfs to Deflect Arrow and UD.
actually all this changes we're fine, server was pretty much balanced when i was still playing...
In my fair opinion you killed the server in the 2 first months with that rates, people was enjoying playing but they left (around 1-1.5k logins) when they raised 70++ now the server is on 500 logins and it wont never back to have the 2.5k from that months
I didnt even lose time reading 100% of commnets cuz most of them are trolls.
First of all i remember when i was comming back from school "Hey mom i passed this year to next one,give me something to play",she always said "No,you study for you,not for me".
My point is,Why the hell are here players asking and only caring about fuking rewards?
This server is ours,from we,the players that are here,we have to fight for it,not asking rewards to fight for it,i dont really understand why some trashtalks that already quit come here into hate and stupid comments say bullsh1ts,it just proof that there no other better forum to post,otherwise u would be there.
DN IS DN,say what u want,this server always had people,when i say DN i mean Full DN staff.
So i guess you guys are killing trackzero head,and saying so much things for a simple reward.
If you want your server with more people as i do,just fight for it,dont ask rewards.
There is a clan mate who did fun about reward that server gave,i was just wondering,how the hell someone log after 3 weeks and the only thing he wants is a fuking reward?
EVERYONE STFU,VOTE,PUSH PPL,AND GMS,BAN 1 BY 1 WHO DOES TRASH POSTS,BAN 1 BY 1.
SS2
Quote from: ZeniT on July 02, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
its not a troll post, facts only:
1. I dont know why you talk allways about balance, because nothing is balanced on server.
-masspvp unbalanced: mages are useless (resists are insane op (max 300dmg with max buff,valakas)+ 40% crit dmg tatoo boost for archers and daggers)
-oly unbalaced: gladi/pp cant lose a match, there are 2-3 char which lose only vs gladi/pp, anything else lose before the match starts
2. most fair donation system? u can buy bews from coins, enuff said
3. fails: u made many changes for trash players (exp rate change many times, ridiculous boss respawn times, golki changes etc) ofc every serious clan/player left the server
Serious players are the ones that stay becouse they understand achieving goals takes some time to gain recognition, just the players that take responsability stay. On contrary players that can't deal with anxiety and want everything fast don't find their place here. Balance RL & VL and you will succeed! Don't miss the chance you have in this server! Come on! :)
Quote from: askia on July 02, 2014, 05:52:51 PM
In my fair opinion you killed the server in the 2 first months with that rates, people was enjoying playing but they left (around 1-1.5k logins) when they raised 70++ now the server is on 500 logins and it wont never back to have the 2.5k from that months
Are you sure? ;) There's a massive wave of players coming from America. ;) Maybe they didn't stay becouse their goals were just a few or don't realize that they can take advantage of many oportunities in the internet world to meet new people, make or join new clans, and yet have lots of fun! Join DNET! :)
Quote from: ^Pho^ on July 02, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
Serious players are the ones that stay becouse they understand achieving goals takes some time to gain recognition, just the players that take responsability stay. On contrary players that can't deal with anxiety and want everything fast don't find their place here. Balance RL & VL and you will succeed! Don't miss the chance you have in this server! Come on! :)
Are you sure? ;) There's a massive wave of players coming from America. ;) Maybe they didn't stay becouse their goals were just a few or don't realize that they can take advantage of many oportunities in the internet world to meet new people, make or join new clans, and yet have lots of fun! Join DNET! :)
Guy a normal server doenst go from 2.5-3k logins to 500 in 5 months...
They have to reconaise that they made lot of wrong things... now its too late... they tried to fix all when it was too late...
Face it
Quote from: askia on July 02, 2014, 06:39:30 PM
Guy a normal server doenst go from 2.5-3k logins to 500 in 5 months...
They have to reconaise that they made lot of wrong things... now its too late... they tried to fix all when it was too late...
Face it
I dont agree with you. :) and i wonder what do you mean by "normal" ;) becouse for me it's just the opposite, i mean normal players
stay. :) Come on! Give it a new chance & meet new people! :)
:)
Quote from: ^Pho^ on July 02, 2014, 06:54:38 PM
I dont agree with you. :) and i wonder what do you mean by "normal" ;) becouse for me it's just the opposite, i mean normal players stay. :) Come on! Give it a new chance & meet new people! :)
:) ;) :) :) ;) ;D 8) HelloO !
Quote from: kesy on July 02, 2014, 07:26:05 PM
:) :) ;) :) :) ;) ;D 8) HelloO !
Hey Hello! ;D How are you Kesy? Stay here and feel comfortable! :)
Quote from: teqi on July 02, 2014, 04:17:26 PM
BTW. Because we have instant support, constant fixes and almost 24/7 online to assist players. - This made my day. Prolly funniest thing you've written lately.
We are online 24/7 on the forum,99% of PMs and issues we get we resolve whiting few hours. We are online since 6-7am in the morning until 2-3am on the forum, providing all the help players may need. Thats a fact which no1 can deny.
Quote from: ZeniT on July 02, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
-oly unbalaced: gladi/pp cant lose a match, there are 2-3 char which lose only vs gladi/pp, anything else lose before the match starts
2. most fair donation system? u can buy bews from coins, enuff said
3. fails: u made many changes for trash players (exp rate change many times, ridiculous boss respawn times, golki changes etc) ofc every serious clan/player left the server
So make glad/pp and dominate? I repeat once again you cant judge balance based on OLY, Oly cant be ever balanced, there will be always some class that will dominate. Real balance you can see on real deal pvp and on events. You dont see any of the class that does 9999999 damage and 1 shoot everyone.
Yes you can can buy enchants at donny, and what? Where do you see OP items appearing in game? In the end why dont you make 1 OE weapon yourself since it is so "easy" ?
We made changes toward rates BECAUSE OF request of the community, it was a positive thing for gameplay, nothing else. ABout raids, you are another rb jewels hungarian mafia underground jewels reseller, giving others chance is what bothers you...Hence , respawn time is fair for all the players on the server.If you wanted to keep monopol on it, well wrong server then.
Quote from: Kailenaa on July 02, 2014, 04:28:11 PM
Well i agree its too easy to get a subclass. People should FIGHT for sub and CAMP golkas for it. Now you can buy it for 300kk. 200kk is the cost of bow of peril + QR, lol!
This is what community have asked and demanded for weeks :(
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
We are online 24/7 on the forum,99% of PMs and issues we get we resolve whiting few hours.
true story...NOT
u got few pm from me and 1 pm from gm ^FDX^ about my problem and till now im not able get even simply answer: yes or no.
you quoted wrong person Track, I personally didn't say that :)
regarding balance you say, mages are facing unbalanced resist system
kabally jfyi some ppl are here for real talk, too bad there is no bbc code for "trashtalk"
but I attach an example now
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http://imgur.com/jQIGH6K
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Quote from: Shadow21 on July 02, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
true story...NOT
u got few pm from me and 1 pm from gm ^FDX^ about my problem and till now im not able get even simply answer: yes or no.
If others cant change email i dont understand how could you ask such a special service for yourself. Its clearly a NO if i do not reply.
Quote from: teqi on July 02, 2014, 09:16:14 PM
you quoted wrong person Track, I personally didn't say that :)
regarding balance you say, mages are facing unbalanced resist system
I fuked up on quoting i know, but i was tiered to re-type the wall of text i wrongly deleted. :|
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
We are online 24/7 on the forum,99% of PMs and issues we get we resolve whiting few hours. We are online since 6-7am in the morning until 2-3am on the forum, providing all the help players may need. Thats a fact which no1 can deny.
So make glad/pp and dominate? I repeat once again you cant judge balance based on OLY, Oly cant be ever balanced, there will be always some class that will dominate. Real balance you can see on real deal pvp and on events. You dont see any of the class that does 9999999 damage and 1 shoot everyone.
Yes you can can buy enchants at donny, and what? Where do you see OP items appearing in game? In the end why dont you make 1 OE weapon yourself since it is so "easy" ?
We made changes toward rates BECAUSE OF request of the community, it was a positive thing for gameplay, nothing else. ABout raids, you are another rb jewels hungarian mafia underground jewels reseller, giving others chance is what bothers you...Hence , respawn time is fair for all the players on the server.If you wanted to keep monopol on it, well wrong server then.
This is what community have asked and demanded for weeks :(
sir, u are wrong.
about real money trades:
1. when we stoped to play we gave ours item to plebs in giran for free. we dropped everything (~40-50 boss jewels, all S grade, A grade) to giran stairs
2. we farmed everything for weeks not just before respawn changes but after too (after 50 AQ my group stoped to camp it, becuz its was too boring)
3. only 1 guy (he was fresh recruit) sold items, but i reported it
community means for you 3-4 lowbob, who dont understand the IL meta? those "requested changes" = -2500 player
i am rly curious what u think about, why 90% of players left server? If everything is okay, where are the people?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:18:26 PM
If others cant change email i dont understand how could you ask such a special service for yourself. Its clearly a NO if i do not reply.
now show me plox where in rules or somewhere else written gm dont help with mail change if needed. and im not nostradamus so cant read in ur mind, so for me your silence doesn't mean nothing.
p.s. yeah, its my wet dream "steal account" so thats why im asked u about help. and ltr u dont understand why u lose players....
Stop trolling retards seriously.
Mages useless criting for 4-6k on debuffs n/c hahah Wtf you want kill 1 pt alone with 1 mage 1 shooting all than they balanced?GTFO off!
To many golkas?Ooooo some butt hurt because they can pwn only non subbed ppl.More golkas=more subbed ppl so for some more qq because of competition and raping in pvp.Seriously ppl you are really pathetic don't need to quote anyone.
Quote from: Shadow21 on July 02, 2014, 09:25:13 PM
now show me plox where in rules or somewhere else written gm dont help with mail change if needed. and im not nostradamus so cant read in ur mind, so for me your silence doesn't mean nothing.
p.s. yeah, its my wet dream "steal account" so thats why im asked u about help. and ltr u dont understand why u lose players....
You request email change because of selling the account, please dont pretend you are the angel, i know you too long.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
You request email change because of selling the account, please dont pretend you are the angel, i know you too long.
Right now you dont have to follow any kind of rules that will not disaster other players game.
Right now you need MORE PLAYERS,SO right now,do email changes wtv players ask you,to get em back,u preffer a full server that u did some stuff like changed emails etc and got ppl back,or empty server with rules here?
I can also create a server in my home,with rates 1,rules from Hitler and nobody join,BUT YES "I GOT RULES"
Jizas track i know ur doing ur best,but maybe ur best isnt the best,follow what players ask u.
If the guy ask u email change just fuking do it,its 1 simple click for u,and email change isnt any ++++weapon.
Face the reality,focus on your objective,once again,what is ur objective?Get more players,so focus on this.
Ps:I also need email change,but i dont care anymore about,and its not about me,its about community,u cant go alone vs 800 ppl,do what people ask you,its WE PLAYERS that play here,NOBODY is asking you ++++ weapon,guys are asking u simple things.
Afk a while,keep on good job,today 800 online btw.
Quote from: Kabally on July 02, 2014, 09:37:22 PM
Right now you dont have to follow any kind of rules that will not disaster other players game.
Right now you need MORE PLAYERS,SO right now,do email changes wtv players ask you,to get em back,u preffer a full server that u did some stuff like changed emails etc and got ppl back,or empty server with rules here?
I can also create a server in my home,with rates 1,rules from Hitler and nobody join,BUT YES "I GOT RULES"
Jizas track i know ur doing ur best,but maybe ur best isnt the best,follow what players ask u.
If the guy ask u email change just fuking do it,its 1 simple click for u,and email change isnt any ++++weapon.
Face the reality,focus on your objective,once again,what is ur objective?Get more players,so focus on this.
Ps:I also need email change,but i dont care anymore about,and its not about me,its about community,u cant go alone vs 800 ppl,do what people ask you,its WE PLAYERS that play here,NOBODY is asking you ++++ weapon,guys are asking u simple things.
Afk a while,keep on good job,today 800 online btw.
MAIL CHANGE will be available trough service from GM Artur soon. If requirements are met and you pay fee for the service your email will be changed. Simple as that, until then i dont do any special service to players, ex nor new.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
You request email change because of selling the account.
lol.
seems thats why when my cp left server im continued play and work on that char, made 1 more sub there etc. ye, ltr i stopped play and now took my items from that account cuz dont see any sense make char and waste my time for some1 else.
so moar fairytales plox.
Quote from: Shadow21 on July 02, 2014, 09:41:03 PM
lol.
seems thats why when my cp left server im continued play and work on that char, made 1 more sub there etc. ye, ltr i stopped play and now took my items from that account cuz dont see any sense make char and waste my time for some1 else.
so moar fairytales plox.
Sorry but i know you very well, + my intel told me what i have suspected as well. However read up what i said about mail change. There are no fairy tales but rules will be equal for everyone.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:40:02 PM
MAIL CHANGE will be available trough service from GM Artur soon. If requirements are met and you pay fee for the service your email will be changed. Simple as that, until then i dont do any special service to players, ex nor new.
Look im not trying to troll you or something.
Im just saying,focus in get more players,dont get headcache cuz i know ur getting headcache with server...
About email i was giving examples,like triple box,should be allowed for new players create bd and pp,to be honest i think its too late,but ill be strugling till the only online be me.
Keep going,small rules over onlines then =S
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
Sorry but i know you very well, + my intel told me what i have suspected as well. However read up what i said about mail change. There are no fairy tales but rules will be equal for everyone.
u told me i wanna sell account so mb give me any prof? u know me very well? so how many accounts i sold before on dragon/nm? rly stop write bullsh1t about me. seems i made bad decission when moved everything i had on dragon to ur cool server.
Quote from: Shadow21 on July 02, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
u told me i wanna sell account so mb give me any prof? u know me very well? so how many accounts i sold before on dragon/nm? rly stop write bullsh1t about me. seems i made bad decission when moved everything i had on dragon to ur cool server.
I really dont know what to tell you. I said you cant change mail on the account when others cant ( YET !!! )
I said many times DN doesnt support, not is responsible from BOUGHT accounts from other players.
So wait few days email change will start when requirements are met. I cant do special services, even for old players, else we just freak up the whole concept.
Quote from: reddragonjr on July 02, 2014, 09:30:25 PM
Stop trolling retards seriously.
Mages useless criting for 4-6k on debuffs n/c hahah Wtf you want kill 1 pt alone with 1 mage 1 shooting all than they balanced?GTFO off!
To many golkas?Ooooo some butt hurt because they can pwn only non subbed ppl.More golkas=more subbed ppl so for some more qq because of competition and raping in pvp.Seriously ppl you are really pathetic don't need to quote anyone.
mages hit you for max300 (sh, maxbuff+valakas), if u know how to play.
sadly Trackzero care only about ur opinions, which is a huge mistake, cuz even my grandmother play better L2 then SmellyShit2
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on July 02, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
I really dont know what to tell you. I said you cant change mail on the account when others cant ( YET !!! )
I said many times DN doesnt support, not is responsible from BOUGHT accounts from other players.
So wait few days email change will start when requirements are met. I cant do special services, even for old players, else we just freak up the whole concept.
i don't really care now about mail change or any special service. i know, u count me since long time as hater and troll, but write total bullsh1t/lies about me.... pathetic
Quote from: ZeniT on July 02, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
mages hit you for max300 (sh, maxbuff+valakas), if u know how to play.
sadly Trackzero care only about ur opinions, which is a huge mistake, cuz even my grandmother play better L2 then SmellyShit2
Playing here since 2005 c1 prelude.++ some years on official.
Maxx 300 dmg on debuffs/surrenders? Even dwarfs do more dmg than what you said.Seriously go play tetris dude.I'm tired of trolls.You know sh1t about l2 mechanics.
P.S I said it again dream on about 1 mage 1 shooting everyone or the reverse 1 fighter 1 shooting everyone killing alone 1 pt like it was a while on dragon.
Quote from: reddragonjr on July 02, 2014, 10:07:57 PM
Playing here since 2005 c1 prelude.++ some years on official.
yes sure, stop with this fkin theory, It's prooving there is unbalance in pvp, where a fighter eg: archer can hit 2-3-4k or whatever on a poor dc robe, while resist system, this really pro c4 modded resist system is badly setup, no1 expects 1 mage kill 1pt ppl, idk what do you think....
but when an archer hit 10x more than a mage you call it the balanced server kk :) and you are deh big retail playa
Quote from: reddragonjr on July 02, 2014, 10:07:57 PM
Playing here since 2005 c1 prelude.++ some years on official.
Maxx 300 dmg on debuffs/surrenders? Even dwarfs do more dmg than what you said.Seriously go play tetris dude.I'm tired of trolls.You know sh1t about l2 mechanics.
P.S I said it again dream on about 1 mage 1 shooting everyone or the reverse 1 fighter 1 shooting everyone killing alone 1 pt like it was a while on dragon.
Nobody care how many years you plyed on DN, you are/were a fvcking nobody, randombob on tarantula. 10 years more and myb u will learn how to play L2 and what is wrong with resists on this server, and why ppl cant hit more then 300 dmg on you.
Quote from: teqi on July 02, 2014, 10:54:41 PM
yes sure, stop with this fkin theory, It's prooving there is unbalance in pvp, where a fighter eg: archer can hit 2-3-4k or whatever on a poor dc robe, while resist system, this really pro c4 modded resist system is badly setup, no1 expects 1 mage kill 1pt ppl, idk what do you think....
but when an archer hit 10x more than a mage you call it the balanced server kk :) and you are deh big retail playa
Man when you will have ppl experience who played almost 10 years in this network ( and here I'm talking not only about game,forum to ) and seen it all than talk ok.I'm tired listening to wannabe server jumpers who play max 1-2 month on a server and know sh1t.
Archer hitting 10x more than mage don't make me laugh.Archers hit 2-3-4k like you said when they full buffed and not debuffed canceled by mages.But when mages debuff /surrender / cancel them they do sh1t.An mage debuffing / surrender / cancel an archer is dealing 5-6k dmg and this is unbalance...Stop talking trash you're pathetic seriously.And btw ogre tattoo is decreasing significant 3 base stats p.def/m.def and a.speed that' critical for an archer and mages got m.def/p.def tattoo that give big boost so stop qqing and play or GTFO off I'm tired seriously of this non sense posts.
Quote from: ZeniT on July 02, 2014, 11:00:45 PM
Nobody care how many years you plyed on DN, you are/were a fvcking nobody, randombob on tarantula. 10 years more and myb u will learn how to play L2 and what is wrong with resists on this server, and why ppl cant hit more then 300 dmg on you.
Random wannabe are you maybe mr server jumper wanna be playa.Seriously gtf of this forum we don't need wannabe troll players here.I've seen many sh1t during 9 years so I know wtf I'm talking about ok.Now go back to you're cave cause you won't see 1 mage owning 1 pt here.Server is good balanced.
P.S To much butt hurt by syndy? It makes sense n/c.
Quote from: reddragonjr on July 02, 2014, 11:07:33 PM
Man when you will have ppl experience who played almost 10 years in this network and seen it all than talk k.I'm tired listening to wannabe server jumpers who play max 1-2 month on a server and know sh1t.
Archer hitting 10x more than mage don't make me laugh.Archers hit 2-3-4k like you said when they full buffed.But when mages debuff /surrender / cancel them they do sh1t.An mage debuffing / surrender / cancel an archer is dealing 5-6k dmg and this is unbalance...Stop talking trash you're pathetic seriously.And btw ogre tattoo is decreasing significant 3 base stats p.def/m.def and a.speed that' critical for an archer and mages got m.def/p.def tattoo that give big boost so stop qqing and play or GTFO off I'm tired seriously of this non sense posts.
ok, everything is fine, everything is awesome, now enjoy your empty server :D
ss2
Quote from: ZeniT on July 02, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
ok, everything is fine, everything is awesome, now enjoy your empty server :D
ss2
Server is ok atm and will be better.After 3 weeks of rehab don't expect much at begin.And about that "ss2" thing it's not my stuff seriously wtf all quoting ss2... it started to be some ADHD syndrome for some ppl here.
And btw for you and teqi I got mage to even if I played / playing 99% times fighter class.But it's fun sometimes nuking / pking fighters so the crap fairy tale with mages useless what you guys are saying doesn't work at me.
And btw you know what is the funny part most say server empty bla bla but when ppl start gearing / subbing / and pwning the ones who thought they god's here in first month they start leaving server and qqing bcs they buts got hurt by the competition and this are facts.
P.S No hate towards you guys but I'm tired of crap / trolling here if all will do that what's gonna be here? total troll madness festival?If it isn't already...
And I wonder, how all this flame wars and crap will help us to reach more players online...?
I might be wrong, but you could take it all to some other quarters - SPAM, maybe? I am very sure that you'll find enough of space there for another flame topic ;)
I happily noticed some fresh souls coming online at Tarantula, I'd only hope that destructive attitude of yours wouldn't scare such people off. It's already hard to some newcomers that trade market is focused (more likely) on the endgame stage. No offense to anyone, just hoping for more NEW players (somebody making X character, the hell another box, just doesn't count in my opinion) and healthier atmosphere.
Peace!
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