DN sub or no?

[Furesy]

Making it without DN subs will merely ruin the whole unique idea Dragon Network has (and its own trademark) You'll just have a normal retail server (with DN custom pots? lol) only thing is, it will never beat the other retail like servers like Dexternet, you really think players from Dexternet will come here instead of stay at their servers? Or people who can choose between Dexternet servers and DN servers would choose DN? lol :p
The only reason they would choose DN is based on the fact that it is unique because of the DN sub, it's what made Dragon Network so big in the first place.

I would personally just remove mutants though.

[Finisterre]

Stacking class system is not anything unique. Only the difference is that drake added some custom limitations (in another word, nerfs).

So why not adding an extra limitation, no DN sub (and de-nerfing wohoooo)

I'm a fan of DN subclass system anyway. Congrats to Valkyria staff and community !

[-MichU-]

The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

True +1

and btw if dn sub system is so great tell me smartasses why top clans of dragon (like Final Fate) gone to W.rath x9 ? they have also stacking subcalsses ?

anyway retail like server = fun ,dn like server = same shit.

[LagoonPL]

True +1

and btw if dn sub system is so great tell me smartasses why top clans of dragon (like Final Fate) gone to W.rath x9 ? they have also stacking subcalsses ?

anyway retail like server = fun ,dn like server = same shit.

Making it without DN subs will merely ruin the whole unique idea Dragon Network has (and its own trademark) You'll just have a normal retail server (with DN custom pots? lol) only thing is, it will never beat the other retail like servers like Dexternet, you really think players from Dexternet will come here instead of stay at their servers? Or people who can choose between Dexternet servers and DN servers would choose DN? lol :p
The only reason they would choose DN is based on the fact that it is unique because of the DN sub, it's what made Dragon Network so big in the first place.

I would personally just remove mutants though.

Furesy is right here, why would people choose DN instead of some other, better retail-like servers?  It doesn't really make sense.

[Kotlet]

The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true

Yea! 61% dont use brain, only you and rest use it.




I think, 90% classes should be removed, only dwarf should left. It will be dwarf server, and for sure many ppl will come. How I know? Did I make poll or what? NO, but I know better. I dont care what poll shows, 61% of ppl are retarded and they dont know what is good for them. Ppl left DN servers cause other classes was OP to dwarfs. Just left them.
If it will be all classes server, ppl will leave after 1 month!! How I know? what a question.... pff, its obvious!!
On Inf/dragon/nm many subs are overpowered. What subs exaclty?  Hmm, let me think... : sps/ee ol/ee/ ol/es ol/necro sps/ee sps/es necro/ee sorc/ee th/wk th/sws th/pal tyr/pal tyr/wc tyr/de se/bd (after prophecies update) se/sh sh/bd pw/sws he/ol he/wk he/wl pr/wl glad/pal glad/pp glad/th (As+16 ftw ) tyr/ol bp/wk ee/es (oly) hmm... what I miss? Oh, clean sps killed me too!!! Delete them!! I want pwn with dworff.

When infy/dragon/nm were opened, many ppl played there,and they still play having fun.  But now it will be different, ppl will leave after 5 mins, they will come back to shitty infy/dragon/nm. How I know that? hmm I had a dream!! yea it was dream, and it will happen for sure!!
-Why they will come back to shitty server?
-Cause they are idiots!!
-So why YOU play on shitty server? Or why you spaming on shitty forum of shitty server?
-.... hmm dunno, BUT im not idiot like rest!!!


sry for poor english

[Dhart]

Stacking class system is not anything unique. Only the difference is that drake added some custom limitations (in another word, nerfs).

So why not adding an extra limitation, no DN sub (and de-nerfing wohoooo)

I'm a fan of DN subclass system anyway. Congrats to Valkyria staff and community !

Still , DN it's unique for IT'S OWN SYSTEM.....removing it would be retardfull...( does this word exist ? )

[EsaKeDoem]

The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

ok i admit you have some point about all this , but iff i have to play L2 for 8th year i would chouse DN if it gets adequate char formulas.Reason is simple : i got tired of same shit , 7 years  ROFL .DN - mana pots are the bigest extra you have you just don't realize it becouse you don't have to hunt 10 minutes mobs and after that you don't sit for other 10 minutes to w8 mana to regen  . Dunno about how many servers have mana pot options but for Dex i'm shure they don't have it, i played there whyle FBI had DN closed.

[Curtis]

Furesy is right here, why would people choose DN instead of some other, better retail-like servers?  It doesn't really make sense.

Cause not everyone have time to play on x4 rates.

Yea! 61% dont use brain, only you and rest use it....

Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only dn sub servers what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on dex forum and you will see diffrent answers. Its something like making poll with only black ppl and ask them 'what color of human skin is better: white or black?". Like I told before - if you want fresh blood you need to make normal server without subs.

Now think about other side. If on forum that is flooded by dn subs lovers there are almost 40% ppl that dont want the sub system something is wrong here.

[Kotlet]

Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only dn sub servers what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on dex forum and you will see diffrent answers. Its something like making poll with only black ppl and ask them 'what color of human skin is better: white or black?".

Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only retail sub servers (like your example : DEX) what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on DN forum and you "will" see  diffrent answers. Its something like making poll only black ppl and ask them "what color of human skin is better*: "white or black?".

* Its veeery bad example, beacuse you cant choose your skin color (I know, Michael Jackson could ) I dont know like you, but I havent seen "choose your race menu" during birth. And I didn`t know that, one color skin is better than other...

Poll is on DN forum, beacuse it will be DN server, it`s simple. If someone outside DN want play here,  he/she can register and vote, where`s problem?

[Sowell]

Guys no offense to any1 but coomon start think before you write smth,evry1 come and check this bcz all know gonna be sub stack,2-3k ppls will chose this server bcz all know DN have best substack server with no wipe and no shits like other server,all who visited this want substack.Retail servers are all over i just know a server l2off hellbound 30x that opened 2 weeks ago was very stable,no lag no buggs was perfect,in 1 week record online was 90 ppl,now be serious if this server gonna be retail you think substack players  gonna play?mayeb yea some will play cuz want a fresh start but server will die like all retail servers far now but if this will be sub stack all who vote retail gonna play,yes bcz they want this server ,here do you se any DN server dead?no,why?bcz all know how stable DN servers are ,if you wanna find a good sub stack server beside DN you cant bcz all sux,this server gonna be for sure sub stack cuz gm's know what to do,anyway this poll was in case 80% from ppls voted no for substack maybe than was retail,i suggest to gm's to chek all new retail servers and see if any of them have more than 300 ppls.btw i dont think Gm's even read what we write...i dunno why we even botehr to write smth about stack or retail,anyway we wont convince no1 to change hes decision,peace

[Grosse]

Remove mutants only 

and make oly like i said before

[Mala Przyjemnosc]

The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

Copycat, stop talkin sh1t . U said that won't be new server , take some info . I see some others Mods than Track and rest .
I / We dont care that U won't even log in. Who the f2ck U are, that we should do . Where did I say that all the ppl on the world love substack ? Nowhere, so keep learnin' in school cuz U can't read properly.