While in beta I noticed donation has the recs for dwarves (materials,ss).
This is only for the beta period right? I couldn't find any info but it makes more sense to be only for the beta.. Still I think it's best if someone can clarify this :P
From other posts I see that only exp runes, accessories and 1-2 profession will be for donation. So is it only for beta?
y, would be good to know :)
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 02:12:43 PM
From other posts I see that only exp runes, accessories and 1-2 profession will be for donation. So is it only for beta?
EXP Runes are delayed for 2 weeks.
Quote from: els on October 10, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
EXP Runes are delayed for 2 weeks.
Yeah I read that :P I want to know for the dwarf recs :P I really hope they are only for beta
shot recipes disapeared from shop, whats the point to have shots and not recipes for shots in shop? Do you want crafter to be useless? at least boost them with recipes of shots if you aded shots.
Actually the crafter can go and spoil/drop the rec :)
Little money makers should work a bit yeah? Otherwise they just get rich and dress sub / 2nd char and qq.
SS and mat recs are vital for the players AND the dwarf. BUT if they are available in shop it's horrible for the economy.
no worries, i removed that 2 pack because you could just sell them to shop and get over 1kk adena per pack..
we come up with something fair to all
That is not an answer :P That is an answer only for beta now..
Will the recs be with donation on start or no? :) It is extremely basic..
they will be back on start, untradeable and or 0 adena recs.
It is extremely unfair to players if you add the recs to shop.
Not only towards other dwarves but also to mages/fighters/etc.
All they need to do is loggin on first minute, take 1 minute to buy/add the rec and sit down the dwarf.. Or exp 10 minutes for lvl 20.. After that is 2-3 days non stop money making from new.. They can just sit him down and exp other char while getting rich if they need no time to find the rec..
This means whoever donates for this will become very fast very rich and exp at the same time other class with the adenas from the crafts. With no effort at all. It will only take 5 minutes to set him up. All the other time it will be on another class. Think about it. Clans will have income they haven't farmed or even single players getting their gear before others with NO effort whatsoever.
You changed the xp runes which to be honest gave little exp to begin with and 10-20 levels sooner (less than 1 day) but you left the recs that can dress the char in 1 day max? While he exps other char??? Basically it is donation for adenas..................................
And it goes beyond that.. You can buy faster the 1st-2nd profession and, along with level, close off areas off the map (especially if it's a clan). You also break the economy by making the dwarves not needing pt to find their recs so the rest won't find crafter/spoiler for their needs. It can go wrong in soooo many ways that I'm toooo bored to explain all.
But if recs exist, ESPECIALLY on start, it changes the whole dynamic of the server..
You left out exp runes as you thought it will make a difference the 5 lvls difference of chars. Imagine with this and faster money, items, class transfer and ready chars funded from adena donation in the form of recs.. As all would go to the first dwarves that have them as all the dwarves that DIDN'T donate won't exist..
And don't forget that clans or donators will have SS or will be able to "close off" ss trading with this depending on their mood and how they think it suits them best (by clans I mean donator clans not necessarily more unfair for solo players - it is equally bad for solo and clans).
I do agree with LuckyStrike1305.
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 05:51:06 PM
You left out exp runes as you thought it will make a difference the 5 lvls difference of chars. Imagine with this and faster money, items, class transfer and ready chars funded from adena donation in the form of recs.. As all would go to the first dwarves that have them as all the dwarves that DIDN'T donate won't exist..
And don't forget that clans or donators will have SS or will be able to "close off" ss trading with this depending on their mood and how they think it suits them best (by clans I mean donator clans not necessarily more unfair for solo players - it is equally bad for solo and clans).
wtf you talking about....
Exp runes delayed for 2 weeks.
And also having recipes changes nothing. Actually it help economically. The faster shot price goes to normal price range the better for server...
Seriously. Stop whining about everything... As long shots are not tradeable I don't see any issue out there.
Are you blind?...
What I said and let me rephrase as you seem to not be able to understand me was this:
since they delayed the exp runes they should also remove the recs. I never said they left the runes. I said that the recs are more important than the runes and a bigger issue. Is this more clear for you?.............
Also have you ever played l2 before? How on earth you see recs as a "no issue"?..
I'd rather have a slow economy than this fast ball of adenas and a couple of people buying everything and controlling prices since they will ALREADY be rich.. Basic economics. Do you even know basic economics?..
As for the "As long shots are not tradeable I don't see any issue out there" this is even more insane than the "The faster shot price goes to normal price range the better for server" because in both cases you are dreaming.. And btw the second sentence is not even true..
Learn basic economics and talk after.. I'm not here to teach you how it affects the game in every possible aspect. I could. But I really don't want to..
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
Learn basic economics and talk after.. I'm not here to teach you how it affects the game in every possible aspect. I could. But I really don't want to..
Someone needs to go back to school to actually learn economics :)
I like your ignorance :) Keep it up :) It will be fun every player outsmarting you in every possible situation and making crappy deals :) It will be fun trading with you :D
And btw if you truly don't see the issue then it's one of two things: either you are actually clueless or you want to donate for those recs and want this head start. Because honestly there is no other thing than those 2 :)
In any case regardless of what the server will do about this don't think for a second that you can survive on your own two feet without support in this game in any way or with any means. And it shows by how narrow your point of view is :)
Let me wave my "invisible hand" and flatline the prices for you now :) Iiiiif you understood what I mean ;)
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 06:34:52 PMAnd it shows by how narrow your point of view is :)
I wonder who here has narrow point of view. :) the faster prices goes to normal price the better for everyone. You probably are that warsmith who think you can make all server adena by making SSDs.
Lol with the current rates all you have to do is make a dps char and go to the four edges of the map to collect the recipes and mobs will drop them real quick. Why not save the trouble to people and leave them in shop. And if you worry that other dwarves will take your adena, make one for yourself. HECK make an army of them so you never run out of mp. You will be allowed to have as many chars in town as you like. Dwarves never join parties to farm recs 1)in 99% of the cases they are bot chars 2)getting recs is child's play 3)they NEVER cost anything more than 20-50k. In a mid rate server like this you shouldn't worry that much for adena.
Can we just play the game and let minor things on a side? There will be always things to improve or what someone will not like....
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 05:51:06 PM
you misunderstand everything??
Runes on first day (especially stacking rune) are giving 30%+30% a total of 60% boost in all rates.... that means from 7x server it would be ~11x exp sp, not to mention drop and spoil... adena.. and so on
We removed 2nd stacking rune, we delayed donation runes for 2 weeks at least. What is this if we are not care about community and unfair start donater vs non-donater?
Recipes... they were in donate shop from beta day 1#
I removed it to rework them. They were sellable to shop, so if some1 bought a recipepack sold to shop all .. it was more than 1kk adena, unfair as well
Before writing stuffs that are not real, please think or ask us!! We are configuring server to be good for most you, be fair.
OMFG........... You are a kid..
No I don't play warsmith. I almost never make crafters as I find them no fun. It bores me to death. Spoiler yeah. Crafter no.
My main class is sph actually so SS is extremely important to me. And no. You are wrong in thinking that the sooner the prices goes to "normal price" (which note is a term that makes no sense as economy is not stable and changes daily) the better for the server. And since you seem unable to understand this let me give you an example:
Say donator dwarf gets X amount of adenas and SS price is Y.
Non donator dwarf gets X/20 amount of adenas as he needs time to farm and has no SS and Y is still the price of SS.
1 week pass..
Donator dwarf now 100X the adenas and SS price goes to Y/10.
Non donator still gets X/20 as the SS is lowered. But his adenas are X and not 100X.
Following the 1st week when items start to go out and the market starts to have items this will happen:
However has money buys everything on the low and waits to sell later at a very high price. He dresses his main class and still have 10-20 same items that previously had no value at a high price, which makes him richer and able to upgrade even more as he is finished with basic gear, lvl and class transfers as he had adena and could afford them EARLIER than the rest.
Now the dwarf with no donation and the rest of the classes depending on him or not will NOT be able to get those adenas EVER as they will already be on other hands and the prices will be lowered. HENCE THE "MONEY BUYS MONEY".
Now this goes even further in my example. Faster sub, faster nobles, faster gear, faster domination, first heroes. All depends on who has the money to buy the INITIAL items for first rbs, battles.. NG vs C-grade and so on..
They will control the market. Now imagine if those crafters are in a big clan as well..
Your stable economy will be a lie as 10 people will hold the 70% of the adenas/items in server and the rest will be flat and fighting for scraps. It may not show but you will see it in epics fights, baium for sub, etc.
I can analyze further if your "brain" cannot handle all those info yet if you can understand even know better go click on the "x" button :) You will do to us all a favor :)
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 06:55:52 PM
OMFG........... You are a kid..
No I don't play warsmith. I almost never make crafters as I find them no fun. It bores me to death. Spoiler yeah. Crafter no.
My main class is sph actually so SS is extremely important to me. And no. You are wrong in thinking that the sooner the prices goes to "normal price" (which note is a term that makes no sense as economy is not stable and changes daily) the better for the server. And since you seem unable to understand this let me give you an example:
Say donator dwarf gets X amount of adenas and SS price is Y.
Non donator dwarf gets X/20 amount of adenas as he needs time to farm and has no SS and Y is still the price of SS.
1 week pass..
Donator dwarf now 100X the adenas and SS price goes to Y/10.
Non donator still gets X/20 as the SS is lowered. But his adenas are X and not 100X.
Following the 1st week when items start to go out and the market starts to have items this will happen:
However has money buys everything on the low and waits to sell later at a very high price. He dresses his main class and still have 10-20 same items that previously had no value at a high price, which makes him richer and able to upgrade even more as he is finished with basic gear, lvl and class transfers as he had adena and could afford them EARLIER than the rest.
Now the dwarf with no donation and the rest of the classes depending on him or not will NOT be able to get those adenas EVER as they will already be on other hands and the prices will be lowered. HENCE THE "MONEY BUYS MONEY".
Now this goes even further in my example. Faster sub, faster nobles, faster gear, faster domination, first heroes. All depends on who has the money to buy the INITIAL items for first rbs, battles.. NG vs C-grade and so on..
They will control the market. Now imagine if those crafters are in a big clan as well..
Your stable economy will be a lie as 10 people will hold the 70% of the adenas/items in server and the rest will be flat and fighting for scraps. It may not show but you will see it in epics fights, baium for sub, etc.
I can analyze further if your "brain" cannot handle all those info yet if you can understand even know better go click on the "x" button :) You will do to us all a favor :)
Sure they can hold 99% of money it matters so much when in 1 week u can make full IL endgame, but cry more bro LOL
Btw you misunderstood what I said for exp runes. My comments are for "els".
I really think recs are bad for the economy and I never said you did something wrong with the runes. All I said for the exp runes are that since you removed them (actually delayed them) then think of the recs.
As for MrBobe: This 1-6 hours makes a difference. In the beginning everything makes a difference. That's why you will login from 1 minute and not 3 days after start :) Unless you are a more casual player.. But if you are then nothing really matters as you have no hope of ever being top. Casual means enjoying the rpg aspect. Non casual means power player. Nothing wrong with either but stuff like this DO matter
@Peorexo
Ffs.. First you need to understand what "crying" is.
Apart from that yeah it matters when 90% has +0 and 10% has +9.............................................................
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 10, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Can we just play the game and let minor things on a side? There will be always things to improve or what someone will not like....
I would love to but it's not up yet and adrenaline is high so all i can do is refresh the forum 100 time a day and sometimes join the brawl.
GO DN WOOOOO!!!
Now to the topic
I think u summed it up nicely with the 'casual vs power' players, now do you really think there will be non-donating 'power' players?
Besides, economy in Aden is one thing, but outside they just took a big hit with no day1 donation runes. For once I'm fine with this lesser evil.
When I see that ppl's biggest problem are frickin general recipes in donate shop, I know that server isn't pay2win lol :D Guys those recipes can be found with high chance on easy mobs with spoil. Also in mats recs there's no business until ppl starts craft B and A grade(not until there's no cry b lol). And Shots? Are you kidding me? There's 4 recs that can be used in the first weeks beacuse there's no b-a-s crystals. It's SSD, BSSD, SSC, BSSC. It 1x30 min spoil on lv20, and 1x1h farm/spoil on lvl40. Getting 1,5h advantage for donating money for the server is OK. Guys you don't deserve these kind gms :D They even let a lot of money go by delaying runes to make you happy. And you still not satisfied. There will be always someone who has problem. GMs, as a leader of a kinda big clan I say that Donation Shop is just perfect. :)
Quote from: Urudin on October 10, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
When I see that ppl's biggest problem are frickin general recipes in donate shop, I know that server isn't pay2win lol :D Guys those recipes can be found with high chance on easy mobs with spoil. Also in mats recs there's no business until ppl starts craft B and A grade(not until there's no cry b lol). And Shots? Are you kidding me? There's 4 recs that can be used in the first weeks beacuse there's no b-a-s crystals. It's SSD, BSSD, SSC, BSSC. It 1x30 min spoil on lv20, and 1x1h farm/spoil on lvl40. Getting 1,5h advantage for donating money for the server is OK. Guys you don't deserve these kind gms :D They even let a lot of money go by delaying runes to make you happy. And you still not satisfied. There will be always someone who has problem. GMs, as a leader of a kinda big clan I say that Donation Shop is just perfect. :)
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@Urudin
Nice clan leader.............. Have you ever tried to spoil this or only your clan dogs? Do you even know the chance of SpiritShot C? Not blessed. Simple spiritshot. Well let me inform you.. http://lineage.pmfun.com/item/3033/recipe-spiritshot-c.html
It's x7 not x50-x100. And if you ask me why you need spiritshot C and NOT bssc then seriously you need to reconsider leaving your position as clan leader..
And this is not even spoil. And it's not only this rec. As for what is needed or not, my guess is that you have others doing your work for you.
Oh and before I forget. I never said the gms are bad or not trying. WTF is wrong with you guys here reading different things that what is written????
I'm not the only one thinking this for the recs. And yes I could say "lesser evil" as well. My guess is you are used on playing Russian style.... Shame this is not a Russian server. They try.. They made beta for opinions and bugs. Else it would just be a list.
Well this is my argument. Your argument is what? Time needed for ssd? My problem is not just the ssd :) It may not be gamebreaking as scrolls/sub/nob on shop but it is a STARTING advantage. Donation here is supposed to be for new players to catch up and else minimum to keep server viable hence it was supposed to be runes/1-2 profession/accessories and nothing else. Ok it is buffs scrolls too if I remember well. But recs is a totally different thing. It's not the hugest but it's not small.
I had no time to play beta earlier I did 2-3 days ago hence my post now. While there is still time. They could add them later but on start it really is bad. But I forgot.. You are clan leader of a "kinda big clan" :) Ohhh I remember now.. Go be a leader for items :) Seems good *insert sarcasm*
Anyhow it is an opinion backed up by arguments. Because it looks to me you have nooooo idea what it takes to actually make this crafter :) Or what it can affect..
Urudin, lets take Luckystrike in our clan, i will take a lot fun on clan chat whith him!
Atleast it was a post with arguments :)
Did you read anything or just try to flame? And btw no I don't need a clan like yours.. Opinions and structure. If I did I would be on x50 with some Russian. I'd rather go solo in x7 than this..
So trynara: anything of value to add or just a failed attempt to provoke?
Did you saw any kind of provocation ?
And actualy i was taking a lot fun on job to read all your x y theorie
Is there anything you have to say that is RELEVANT to this post?..
Agree/disagree and why is a good start :P
If I'm fun or not or my theory was fun has nothing to do with the reason of this post :)
it get some much way's to make adena on interlude chronicle that i dont care about donation advantage ( adena,rec's,buffs)!
This was so smart I got shocked..
Ok...... So add premium buffers with all buffs.. And donatable divine inspirations etc.. Are you kidding me?...
Generic cr@p. Yes adena on Interlude are easy. THIS IS WHY THE S-T-A-R-T MATTERS. In general I don't care either. But you fail to see the point.. Or you just don't want to.. Or it doesn't suit your needs if your clan will have a spoiler like that..
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
@Urudin
Nice clan leader.............. Have you ever tried to spoil this or only your clan dogs? Do you even know the chance of SpiritShot C? Not blessed. Simple spiritshot. Well let me inform you.. http://lineage.pmfun.com/item/3033/recipe-spiritshot-c.html
It's x7 not x50-x100. And if you ask me why you need spiritshot C and NOT bssc then seriously you need to reconsider leaving your position as clan leader..
And this is not even spoil. And it's not only this rec. As for what is needed or not, my guess is that you have others doing your work for you.
Oh and before I forget. I never said the gms are bad or not trying. WTF is wrong with you guys here reading different things that what is written????
I'm not the only one thinking this for the recs. And yes I could say "lesser evil" as well. My guess is you are used on playing Russian style.... Shame this is not a Russian server. They try.. They made beta for opinions and bugs. Else it would just be a list.
Well this is my argument. Your argument is what? Time needed for ssd? My problem is not just the ssd :) It may not be gamebreaking as scrolls/sub/nob on shop but it is a STARTING advantage. Donation here is supposed to be for new players to catch up and else minimum to keep server viable hence it was supposed to be runes/1-2 profession/accessories and nothing else. Ok it is buffs scrolls too if I remember well. But recs is a totally different thing. It's not the hugest but it's not small.
I had no time to play beta earlier I did 2-3 days ago hence my post now. While there is still time. They could add them later but on start it really is bad. But I forgot.. You are clan leader of a "kinda big clan" :) Ohhh I remember now.. Go be a leader for items :) Seems good *insert sarcasm*
Anyhow it is an opinion backed up by arguments. Because it looks to me you have nooooo idea what it takes to actually make this crafter :) Or what it can affect..
Did I insult you? The problem is that you aren't good in maths nor in economics, and still you try to act like you are.And what is this bs about spiritshot C really?How many times you see dwarfs getting rich on spiritshot C? You can't even think it's good for money making lol. You don't know me. Why you think I've been a clan leader for all my life? I spoiled those recipes many time, I know what am I speaking about. So if you want to tell me how l2 economics work, go and learn much more about it.
Quote from: trynara on October 10, 2017, 10:39:57 PM
Urudin, lets take Luckystrike in our clan, i will take a lot fun on clan chat whith him!
She applied earlier, but I'm afraid we don't need kind of ppl who insulting others because have a different opinion. Maybe we get better use of this one if she drive the enemies crazy :D
You fail to see why spiritshot C is important.. So it doesn't matter that you spoiled.
And yes you did insult me earlier so yes I added sarcasm :)
You may not know how to take advantage of a spoiler like that but that's another story.
For the reasons of this post I think I explained quite well why it IS an advantage and a big one at that. And don't tell me again for the 30min ssd is.. I know.. But that's not the point. That's not even the problematic rec....................................... (and no ssc is not the only one)
As for mats recs and crafts that you will already have found it still takes time. There is a reason why not everyone does crafters.. Guess what.. It IS because those recs are boring :)))))))))))))))))))))))
I could go on and on explaining but everything I say feels like I'm talking to a wall. And you can re-read everything you posted. You have zero arguments. You are just indifferent to the issue. Veeeery different if it bothers you or if it is important.
As for the crying and the admins I don't recall saying anything that amounts to crying. I just happen to be vocal. Just because most say "who cares?", "not my problem", "i'm talking alone" or just see it and leave, doesn't mean that there is no issue to be addressed. It's not huge sure. But it's not non-existing. Try to differentiate the two................
I have no idea at all what is this whining about this? My god Lucky you should seriously stop this bs, because you're making a fun of yourself. I'm not in Urudin's clan, but really have you read his post? It's 100% valid, and did not said anything about you, just gave us his opinion. But you couldn't make an intelligent response on it, you should just think twice before you send a post. I'm thinking now that you're from some other server, and trying to troll here, because this can't be serious.
Quote from: Urudin on October 10, 2017, 11:21:08 PM
She applied earlier, but I'm afraid we don't need kind of ppl who insulting others because have a different opinion. Maybe we get better use of this one if she drive the enemies crazy :D
this was posted after I wrote my above answer so let me respond. This is IRRELEVANT to the topic. And no I didn't reply further to you as I saw your clan structure and your post here. Wouldn't join anyway. But do stay ON TOPIC. You can chat whatever irrelevant to your ts3/discord/pm/whatever :)
<3 ya luckystrike
Quote from: GIGeorge on October 10, 2017, 11:28:45 PM
I have no idea at all what is this whining about this? My god Lucky you should seriously stop this bs, because you're making a fun of yourself. I'm not in Urudin's clan, but really have you read his post? It's 100% valid, and did not said anything about you, just gave us his opinion. But you couldn't make an intelligent response on it, you should just think twice before you send a post. I'm thinking now that you're from some other server, and trying to troll here, because this can't be serious.
Intelligent response to what exactly? He said nothing of value. And btw I do know what I'm talking about. You have my answers. Now please do tell me WITH arguments why you think they are wrong. Gl with that :)
Lets take Popcorn's tis topic never will end im sure!
wtf? are you whining over a C grade crap recipe????
spiritshotCgradeIN2k17lul
competition start rushing for top gear not a non sense low grade stuff
not sure is a troll ... and tries to ruin athmosphere here, pls refrain posting trash, nobody will die in spoiling C grade recipe
w8ing for the next post off luckystrike
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
Intelligent response to what exactly? He said nothing of value. And btw I do know what I'm talking about. You have my answers. Now please do tell me WITH arguments why you think they are wrong. Gl with that :)
Well, where do I start?
Spiritshot C has nothing to do with making money.
As Urudin told before me materials recs has nothing to do with money on server start.
(B)SS recs are kinda useful, but not pay2win. You can't except to give ppl trash for their money lol
Many dwarf will get the shot recipes as soon as they have the craft lvl for it with or without donate, as they do on every server.
So, I don't understand where you see the collapse of economy in this donate option. I'm still not sure you're not trolling.
@Glgeorge
Just because he said he will help your small clan take a small castle don't come here with zero arguments saying generic things and try to pass it under everyones nose.. I'm not a dog. I have an opinion, I back it up.
@coitusoralus
So you think ssc is of no importance because you want to rush to arcana?.. Xmmm..
Ok. How about oly?.. :)
There has NEVER been a server that I didn't had almost all top items (excluding epics jewels-that was only in some servers as many times I solo) and there is a stepping stone to top gear. There are reasons why those recs matter. Crafting B-A items will be in a very small time limit from server start and the time and leveling of dwarf along with the time needed for the recs is enough on its own. Faster A crafting aferwards, faster finding of recs and ALWAYS the first "expensive" crafters will be those that had the dona recs. IF you cannot understand where I go with this let my simplify. Dona dwarves will always be the ones with the most money. Their main will always be 1 grade or more++ than you. And it all begins IF you know how to properly use the starting recs. The first little rbs that will drop D items to crystalize to make ss for other grades and so on.. It's simple really..
You all talk and talk yet none of you had a half-decent ARGUMENT with reasoning to back up the "you are insane".
GG
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
Intelligent response to what exactly? He said nothing of value. And btw I do know what I'm talking about. You have my answers. Now please do tell me WITH arguments why you think they are wrong. Gl with that :)
Sorry for not using 5 different integer, 3 double type, and a constant to add some value to my post lol. Isn't it bad to be so alone crying about this? Btw would you please tell me which line insulted you? I surely didn't mention you in my post. About offtopic: You make more then Trynara does, at least he's not posting 50 line offtopic only 1 or 2
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Quote from: CoitusOralus on October 10, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
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LOL You made my day xD xD
And server start is not only first hour. It's first week. There are a lot of things to combine but the hours alone you need to get them all.. First heroes depend on gear too. Or are you gonna wait until you get arcana to reg?.. Even then you have healer classes that will NEVER get arcana. Go farm the ssc rec for oly.. Go waste your hours with it. Then lose more hours for B-A-S and mats.. Now think of aaaall this time of dwarve and mage..
Or w8 till you make 3rd class if you find so fast adena for 1-2 prof (ooops dona for them too) and go spoil "big" recs on hard mobs..
There is a chain of events. Don't think of (b)ssd only. And as for mats I already told you. It really all boils down to the time they save. Important time to do more "serious" things like quest progress, working nobless, etc..
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
@Glgeorge
Just because he said he will help your small clan take a small castle don't come here with zero arguments saying generic things and try to pass it under everyones nose.. I'm not a dog. I have an opinion, I back it up.
@coitusoralus
So you think ssc is of no importance because you want to rush to arcana?.. Xmmm..
Ok. How about oly?.. :)
There has NEVER been a server that I didn't had almost all top items (excluding epics jewels-that was only in some servers as many times I solo) and there is a stepping stone to top gear. There are reasons why those recs matter. Crafting B-A items will be in a very small time limit from server start and the time and leveling of dwarf along with the time needed for the recs is enough on its own. Faster A crafting aferwards, faster finding of recs and ALWAYS the first "expensive" crafters will be those that had the dona recs. IF you cannot understand where I go with this let my simplify. Dona dwarves will always be the ones with the most money. Their main will always be 1 grade or more++ than you. And it all begins IF you know how to properly use the starting recs. The first little rbs that will drop D items to crystalize to make ss for other grades and so on.. It's simple really..
You all talk and talk yet none of you had a half-decent ARGUMENT with reasoning to back up the "you are insane".
GG
How does that comes here? If someone offers me a kind gesture I can't have an opinion? Maybe you should have consider, that you are the one who is wrong, and not everyone else. You are the one who instead of defending his/her own opinion starts to tell everybody else is insane lol. Many ppl gave you 100% valid answers just you don't want to take it. BTW now I'm 99% sure that you are a troll of other server, because no one can be this simple.
This meme is actually used wrong but it is funny..
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"Guys you don't deserve these kind gms :D They even let a lot of money go by delaying runes to make you happy. And you still not satisfied. There will be always someone who has problem. " it is dismissive as fck :)
And no I never said ssc is the problem alone it was an example. Anyway. If you read all the post there a few who agree and others who want to know. Remember that most people are not vocal.. Just go check the exp rune post and see what kind of people donas here are :) Same in this thread. But I just don't care. And yes I keep saying "value" because all you said was that (some-I add this because not all are easy) are simple to find and only 30 minutes. Go farm the S rec on 70+ mobs. You have forgotten the time it takes to do all mats + ss and the adenas for tp, deaths, mobs stealing etc (not on D grade..........) Or what they mean to the game
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 11:45:12 PM
And server start is not only first hour. It's first week. There are a lot of things to combine but the hours alone you need to get them all.. First heroes depend on gear too. Or are you gonna wait until you get arcana to reg?.. Even then you have healer classes that will NEVER get arcana. Go farm the ssc rec for oly.. Go waste your hours with it. Then lose more hours for B-A-S and mats.. Now think of aaaall this time of dwarve and mage..
Or w8 till you make 3rd class if you find so fast adena for 1-2 prof (ooops dona for them too) and go spoil "big" recs on hard mobs..
There is a chain of events. Don't think of (b)ssd only. And as for mats I already told you. It really all boils down to the time they save. Important time to do more "serious" things like quest progress, working nobless, etc..
You're really going too far now with these hero sh1t. Do you know that only noblesse chars can reg on oly right? You have fantasy, all you write, all you have written so far is just crap. If you want to play w/o donations you can choose an l2j server with sh1t files and inactive gm. For quality and work here you don't have to pay, but you can't cry about donate shop, they deserve smth for their work... I have never donated a penny in my life, and still I won many fights, but you surely know better what are my plans. The problem is that you're thinking you are the only one who knows, and smart and etc. and getting mad if someone's opinion is different. Maybe you should consider that you are not the only one who gonna play here
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 10, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
This meme is actually used wrong but it is funny..
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"Guys you don't deserve these kind gms :D They even let a lot of money go by delaying runes to make you happy. And you still not satisfied. There will be always someone who has problem. " it is dismissive as fck :)
And no I never said ssc is the problem alone it was an example. Anyway. If you read all the post there a few who agree and others who want to know. Remember that most people are not vocal.. Just go check the exp rune post and see what kind of people donas here are :) Same in this thread. But I just don't care. And yes I keep saying "value" because all you said was that (some-I add this because not all are easy) are simple to find and only 30 minutes. Go farm the S rec on 70+ mobs. You have forgotten the time it takes to do all mats + ss and the adenas for tp, deaths, mobs stealing etc (not on D grade..........) Or what they mean to the game
So ,,Guys" is your other name. I see now. You have no idea about the numbers and values in this game. You are just making crazy theories.
P.S. I looked back on topic and I see before u told others to go learn economics. So I have a conclusion: You're crazy or troll. Bye.
Lol i see really pro ppl here
I bet all the ppl who disagree with this topic can kill any level mob solo with ng stuff solo xD
Since this is ridiculous in every possible way I only have 1 thing to add.
It is not my decision neither yours (whoever that "yours" is). It is an admins decision for 1278463784673 reasons to vote against it or not (whether I'm right or not).
Sooo unless I see something worth commenting on bb.. Because you guys tire me out.. Walls understand more what I write..
Quote from: LuckyStrike1305 on October 11, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
Since this is ridiculous in every possible way I only have 1 thing to add.
It is not my decision neither yours (whoever that "yours" is). It is an admins decision for 1278463784673 reasons to vote against it or not (whether I'm right or not).
Sooo unless I see something worth commenting on bb.. Because you guys tire me out.. Walls understand more what I write..
Admins decided 4 page before, you're the only one who rebelling lol. bb
We do not remove shot recipes from Donny shop as it was stated before. I think it's better not to continue this topic especially it's not about peaceful discussion anymore. Closed.