I think now when all coins weapons , and others things is ok , adena rate need to be increased ... And can we know when chs will be reselled ?
Quote from: Nasko on May 09, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
I think now when all coins weapons , and others things is ok , adena rate need to be increased ... And can we know when chs will be reselled ?
More adena = higher prices and bad economy. Adena rate is fine for now.
it obviously should be incrased, exp is 9x adena 3x.. ppl without dwarfs buy shoots and stuff go exp and dont get any profit or its very low, just enough to buy shoots/pots again.. so i dont think adena rate lets say 5x or 6x would destroy anything.. in fact so low adena rate like 3x destroys it or at least makes it crap specially on higher lvls.
Quote from: aPlayer on May 09, 2010, 01:26:26 PM
it obviously should be incrased, exp is 9x adena 3x.. ppl without dwarfs buy shoots and stuff go exp and dont get any profit or its very low, just enough to buy shoots/pots again.. so i dont think adena rate lets say 5x or 6x would destroy anything.. in fact so low adena rate like 3x destroys it or at least makes it crap specially on higher lvls.
+1
u dont know what u are talking about
adena rate cant be too low. Lower it is, better for server.
u have it 3x normal rate, not to mention u have 9x faster exp, meaning u spend 9x less mana, SS and other consumables.
so, u get 3x more adena and u spend 9x less adena = u get 27 times more value than on retail rates.
And u still have fukin coin system which gives u huge amounts of adena and will ruin server economy practically overnight.(and im not talking about GM mistake now)
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 02:05:29 PM
u dont know what u are talking about
adena rate cant be too low. Lower it is, better for server.
u have it 3x normal rate, not to mention u have 9x faster exp, meaning u spend 9x less mana, SS and other consumables.
so, u get 3x more adena and u spend 9x less adena = u get 27 times more value than on retail rates.
And u still have fukin coin system which gives u huge amounts of adena and will ruin server economy practically overnight.(and im not talking about GM mistake now)
+10 fot u! if u increase the rate of adena u thnk guys that dwarf dont go to increase prices? i never buy 1 ss in this server.. i buy Crys and Spirit ore, and i crfat my self SS in stores.. ever some crfat put crating in low price. If u pay 500a 1 BssC, is not the economy of the server, is not the dwarf fault.. is not for inflation.. is just ur fault to pay it.. GKs , have same price here that in oficial servers.. and if this guys can pay it, we can too whit 3x.. In the start of a new server all dwarf put several price on SSs.. is normal. In some days, when the ofert increase, the price go to down..
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 02:05:29 PM
u dont know what u are talking about
adena rate cant be too low. Lower it is, better for server.
u have it 3x normal rate, not to mention u have 9x faster exp, meaning u spend 9x less mana, SS and other consumables.
so, u get 3x more adena and u spend 9x less adena = u get 27 times more value than on retail rates.
And u still have fukin coin system which gives u huge amounts of adena and will ruin server economy practically overnight.(and im not talking about GM mistake now)
That's not totally right.
Let's say on retail i need 9 mobs to make 1000 xp and each mobs drop 200a and i need 2 shoots to kill them (we'll take none grade)
So i make 9 x 200 = 1 800a from drop
i use 4 Bss per mob (2*2 Bss), so 4*40*9 = 1 440a
So in the end i have made 1 800 - 1 440 = 360a
On this server xp is 9x and adena x3
So i only need to kill 1 mob to make 1000 xp and this mob will drop 600a
So i make 1 x 600 = 600a from drop
I use 4Bss to kill it, so 4x40= 160a
So in the end i have made 600 - 160 = 440a
Where are your 27 times ?
You make only about 22% more adenas than on retail and let me tell you one thing, on retail they do all their quest in the old fashioned way, meaning not by buying quests item.
And some other stuffs that you usually do in private server supposedly because you make more adena than on retail... but it will be a lot harder here
I agree with this. I've made new char to test it.
When I was making it from 1 to 37 lvl (atm), I've spend all my money on shots, and it was not enought - I had to put adena on it from my main.
Ofc for me it's not problem, but for ppl who gonna try to start here, it's very important, because if they can't even get money for supplies needed to exp, they won't cointinue playing in here.
If it's 3x now, I think 5 , 6 , or 7 x would be fair enought.
i lvl up my char from lvl 1 to 35 buying crys and Spirit ore and paying for craft and w/o problems i have like 150k atm.. if u think in pay ur second class change.. well think other way to make money ^^. but i think that GMs want that u make the quest, not buy the items when u are new on server. Up the adena rate just go to increase the price in stores.. in lvl 60+ whit a farm of mobs in valey of sains in 1 hours i get like 800k whit 2 or 3 guys more in party... so i fine for my.
I dont have adena for making profession quests. Some teleports costs 30k so gtfo to all who are agains increasing adena cause Im sure u all get enough adena selling Dgr from Igor . If u dont want to increase adena on all mobs do it just near starting locations or decrease teleport prices to 0.
This is crap. I farmed 1 hour almost 2 hours training mobs at hardins and guess what!? I spent all my adena porting doing my 1st 2nd class quest. GG Now im broke, without adena or class. Im comming back later when adena rate is inscresed. ;D
But GMs made great event u should be happy, only 600kk for q items hahaha wtf is that are u serious ? If som1 bought it he got those money using bugs ect. cause its impossible to get so much money on 3x in 1 week. Gratz for GMs
the only ones not carrying about adenas are those who exploited the coin system and last bug.. so for them, sure adenas rate isn't a problem.
Even better for them is it stays low as this way they are the only ones with adenas.
Adenas rate is just too low but what a GM finding normal to have 400kk on a 9x server (3x adena) after 1 week will do ? nothing
My opinion aobut that is incrase spoil rate or adena drop rate ... it is rly silly it isnt fu...ing official lol2 ... -_ x9 server and drop adena is raly pitful!! Economy on server sux for players who not plaing spoiler or crafter... only dwarfs and destroyers can do anything what about other ?? how alone WC or OL can do money while drop totaly sux ^ ^ Maybe i will sell my buffs 2x at 25 minutes hahaha xD verry silly is Valkiria and don't tell no crying for this sh1t :D it is now funny rly funny :D !!!??
Quote from: Kazuki on May 09, 2010, 02:19:29 PM
That's not totally right.
Let's say on retail i need 9 mobs to make 1000 xp and each mobs drop 200a and i need 2 shoots to kill them (we'll take none grade)
So i make 9 x 200 = 1 800a from drop
i use 4 Bss per mob (2*2 Bss), so 4*40*9 = 1 440a
So in the end i have made 1 800 - 1 440 = 360a
On this server xp is 9x and adena x3
So i only need to kill 1 mob to make 1000 xp and this mob will drop 600a
So i make 1 x 600 = 600a from drop
I use 4Bss to kill it, so 4x40= 160a
So in the end i have made 600 - 160 = 440a
Where are your 27 times ?
You make only about 22% more adenas than on retail and let me tell you one thing, on retail they do all their quest in the old fashioned way, meaning not by buying quests item.
And some other stuffs that you usually do in private server supposedly because you make more adena than on retail... but it will be a lot harder here
when u are starting low lvl char, and u dont get any money except what u pick up from mobs, this is correct. But u are not supposed to use only adena, but all other drops u get from mobs.
At higher lvls its not really important to get certain amount till certain lvl... u will get 3x more adena killing same mobs as u would get on retail. And consumable prices are still the same.
What this means in long run?
i will use your calculations...
u get 1800 adena on retail from 9 mobs...u save 360
here u kill 9 mobs - u get 5400 adena... u save 3960
so in same period of time, lets say 1 month, with same amount of ppl playing u generate much more adena here. Not to mention we dont have down times cuz of custom pots, tatoos etc. Also u level much faster so in very short period everyone will be killing higher lvl mobs which also means bigger profits - adena inputs - leading to inflation.
what do u think why drake makes cristmas events? Because he is santa? No! to remove adena from the server!
My advice for everyone starting out... it is team game, find friends to help u out, find some clan. soon, ppl will offer adena for finishing academy. U get lot of nice drops like herbs, useful mats - sell them.
U dont need to use m attack pot, p def pot, regeneration pot, enhanced mana... for killing fukin elpys. Dont use ss if u cant afford it.
Its not Arena, learn to play and stop crying. GM's made mistake listening ppl crying instead using their heads, so now we have big mess here.
Your way of thinking is kinda stupid... sorry to say
For sure if you kill 9 mobs in retail and 9 here, you'll make more adenas here...
But you've got to take xp into consideration.
you'll maybe make more adena but you'll adena get a lot more xp, so lvl more... in the end, at same lvl, you make almost the same amount here than on retail... and that's what matters.
please stop crying people and start working.
stop thinking that making adena is only about killing mobs and picking drops.
you have to do quests, make low lvl spoiler for mats, farm coins, crash coin stuff and sell cry to market ppl for shots.. etc.
i am example of fact that this is working.
68 lvl, full bgrade, 25kk in inventory.. and i NEVER used any exploit or adena bug.
so... stop crying and start working..
Trpajzilk
Quote from: nolimits on May 09, 2010, 07:11:58 PM
please stop crying people and start working.
stop thinking that making adena is only about killing mobs and picking drops.
you have to do quests, make low lvl spoiler for mats, farm coins, crash coin stuff and sell cry to market ppl for shots.. etc.
i am example of fact that this is working.
68 lvl, full bgrade, 25kk in inventory.. and i NEVER used any exploit or adena bug.
so... stop crying and start working..
Trpajzilk
Another stupid idea ?
What do you think would happen if everybody do the same ?
You won't sell you damn crystall anymore because everybody would have their own... guess what then ? you won't make adenas anymore
Its not problem in server rates, its problem in u. Ppl that know how to play dont have any problems with adena. actually, adena isnt really necessary, its just way to exchange items, like money in real world. If u bankrupted, then u made some really bad trading...
U are calling it stupid to start working for your equipment? Then wait little bit more till u can donate. Problem solved.
Quote from: Kazuki on May 09, 2010, 08:04:16 PM
Another stupid idea ?
What do you think would happen if everybody do the same ?
You won't sell you damn crystall anymore because everybody would have their own... guess what then ? you won't make adenas anymore
it was example, im not getting money by selling crystals ;)
anyway increasing adena drop ammount will end in way that sgrade items will cost 2,5kkk etc. inflation is a bitch
As I said before all of you sold Dgr items from Igor and now you are pissing of all ppl that started after last update when all items costs 0 adena. Maybe increasing adena drop isnt a good solution but at least they can increase adena drop on low lvl mobs and decreasing teleports price to 0. Why its so hard to understand that. I made 1st mark and I dont have money for next one. I can get about 2k adena per few mobs cause its not 100% rate. Some of teleports costs about 30k so calcualte it morons and add soulshots prices, mana pots ect.
Quote from: Ryoko on May 09, 2010, 08:35:48 PM
As I said before all of you sold Dgr items from Igor and now you are pissing of all ppl that started after last update when all items costs 0 adena. Maybe increasing adena drop isnt a good solution but at least they can increase adena drop on low lvl mobs and decreasing teleports price to 0. Why its so hard to understand that. I made 1st mark and I dont have money for next one. I can get about 2k adena per few mobs cause its not 100% rate. Some of teleports costs about 30k so calcualte it morons and add soulshots prices, mana pots ect.
yeah, some servers have increased adena rate in low areas, but u have so many other resources u get from mobs... and they sell very well.
Other thing.. u are spending too much. 1st day of server we didnt have mana pots, didnt have d grade shots - actually prices were ridiculous and still they were bought seconds after crafting.
U dont need to pay 30k for teleport... i can tell u how u can save money on that, but it will cost u, send me offer on PM.
Yeah but 1st day on server you bought 1 Dgr from Igor for 400coins and sold it for 900k. And Im sure u didnt make 1st quest prof as I had to do to save the money. And its not about me I will manage it somehow but its pain in the ass, its about new players who just came to see If its worth to play here and after few hours they will give up. Its not low rate its rather medium for me so it shouldnt be so hard at the beginning. Try to get 800k for 1 mark now GL.
well those who exploited coin system don't seem to care for the slightest about other starting or people who didn't exploited
GMs asked about our opinions so why they arent responding in this thread ?
Ppl who say that "go make crafts, make quests" etc, I will say you one thing.
On normal server, while exping, with suplies like ss, pots, soul and spirit ores, cursed bones etc after exping, they should be at least around 0 ( I mean, spend almost all income for it). AT LEAST. But here you are on -.
And if you are really hoping, that after 6 years of playing l2 someone will enjoy making 2nd class quest (2-3 days if they don't play too much daily), you are fu...king wrong. Rather, they will leave server, and go play another.
Ofc you can qq and say "we don't care, no need ppl", and after 1 year of playing you will ask wtf, why we have 300 online? And why we don't have new players?
if you are using suplies while exp (SS, ores, etc) you are always in MINUS. source: oficial server
Quote from: Ryoko on May 09, 2010, 08:58:00 PM
Yeah but 1st day on server you bought 1 Dgr from Igor for 400coins and sold it for 900k. And Im sure u didnt make 1st quest prof as I had to do to save the money. And its not about me I will manage it somehow but its pain in the ass, its about new players who just came to see If its worth to play here and after few hours they will give up. Its not low rate its rather medium for me so it shouldnt be so hard at the beginning. Try to get 800k for 1 mark now GL.
No, 1st day i bought top d grade weapon for 250 coins. Coin system was nonsense and still is. Until totally removed, economy will be freaked up.
Quest items in shops are actually luxury, u dont have them on most servers.
What do u mean, new players will give up because its too hard?
They get free buffs, they get free weapons, they get free armors all they way up to C grade!
clans pay them to finish quest...
and its too hard for u?
U wanna bet i can make 10kk before hitting lvl 40 with any char?
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
No, 1st day i bought top d grade weapon for 250 coins.
Yeah and u are +900k GG
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
Quest items in shops are actually luxury, u dont have them on most servers.
Did u make that quest ? I bet u didnt cause u sold Coin items and u had money for your luxury!!! How many times do I have to repeat myself ?
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
What do u mean, new players will give up because its too hard?
They get free buffs, they get free weapons, they get free armors all they way up to C grade!
clans pay them to finish quest...
And what about all solo players ?
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
and its too hard for u?
Cant u read ? I said I will deal with it but many ppl wont.
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
U wanna bet i can make 10kk before hitting lvl 40 with any char?
Yeah sure lol
Quote from: Srecko on May 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
U wanna bet i can make 10kk before hitting lvl 40 with any char?
i sure want to see that too.. of course, dwarf doesn't count ;)
Use Fraps or whatever and show us... so i can laugh when you'll maybe barely have even 1kk
And in the other hand why r u opposing so much ? I want only better adena drop on low lvl mobs and cheaper teleports thats it.
I dont feel like making dwarf to afford anything just want to play my char :-\
is making teleport cost 0 so horrible?
today I had to spend like 2 hours to manage to go out of town because i haven't money for port O.o
I can tell you for sure: Easier start = more ppl playing in long term.
Regards
Quote from: Ryoko on May 09, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
And what about all solo players ?
solo players cant "sell" their 400 clan reputation points as academy char ? oO
Quote from: nolimits on May 10, 2010, 01:03:46 AM
solo players cant "sell" their 400 clan reputation points as academy char ? oO
Ofc they can but first you need to do all 3 quests. And where is the point in this question ? Are u gonna pay 2.4kk for academy member ?
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Quote from: Ryoko on May 09, 2010, 11:42:07 PM
And in the other hand why r u opposing so much ? I want only better adena drop on low lvl mobs and cheaper teleports thats it.
then say like this. Im opposing rising general adena rate. Anyway, teleports are not too expensive, u dont need to use shortcuts teleporting from gludio straight goddard. Just teleport town by town, its cheaper.
If i find some time, ill do little experiment and start brand new char and exp him till 40 without any help from other chars so we will see..
i started last week 1 char on new dex server 4x. after reaching lvl 4 i decided i wanna check out server then exp.. I made 10kk before i even consider coming back exping past lvl 4 - same day of course. Now im lvl 30 and have about 15kk adena, bssa worth 10kk(seems bad investment, not many ppl have a grade weapons) and som recipe, also various mats.
True, servers just cant compare, dex serv is very heavily populated, started 2 months ago. But we are hoping valkirya will be like this also, right?
Quote from: Srecko on May 10, 2010, 01:50:23 AM
But we are hoping valkirya will be like this also, right?
I wont bother If I didnt want to. I just dont understand those arogants kids. They all got some nice amount of money before update, Im sure they didnt make any quest and they are still crying here. I see that teleports prices got cut by half already.
Quote from: aPlayer on May 09, 2010, 11:46:07 PM
I dont feel like making dwarf to afford anything just want to play my char :-\
this is best example of wrong thinking, its like: "There is some possibilites to make money, but i dont like them so GM make me other one"
just n/c
Quote from: Ryoko on May 10, 2010, 01:21:46 AM
Ofc they can but first you need to do all 3 quests. And where is the point in this question ? Are u gonna pay 2.4kk for academy member ?
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well for your info i will not pay whole 2,4kk for all 3 marks but for newcommers which will be 39 lvl w/o 2nd class and join our academy i will give 1,5kk. 2/3 of 2nd class is not bad, is it ?
Quote from: nolimits on May 10, 2010, 07:44:08 AM
this is best example of wrong thinking, its like: "There is some possibilites to make money, but i dont like them so GM make me other one"
just n/c
So in your point it's normal to have to make a dwarf to make money ? who has a wrong thinking ?
Quote from: nolimits on May 10, 2010, 07:46:38 AM
well for your info i will not pay whole 2,4kk for all 3 marks but for newcommers which will be 39 lvl w/o 2nd class and join our academy i will give 1,5kk. 2/3 of 2nd class is not bad, is it ?
It could be nice if everybody was like you willing to give 1.5kk but everybody isn't like you or just can't be like you or they'll go bankrupt
Is it so hard to understand that some people want to play their char only as they were in other server, without to be obligated to make a dwarf to earn money ?
And anyway, as i said before... if everybody was to make a dwarf... those very dwarf wouldn't make so much money anymore.
It works for you because there are players that don't make dwarfs, don't forget that.
But as i said, 1.5kk seems nothing for some player that obviously exploited the coin system and still do (as we still can crystallize the stuff)... though, everybody isn't like you and doesn't feel like exploiting an obvious bug that will just freak up the server economy
Quote from: Kazuki on May 10, 2010, 08:42:58 AM
So in your point it's normal to have to make a dwarf to make money ? who has a wrong thinking ?
It could be nice if everybody was like you willing to give 1.5kk but everybody isn't like you or just can't be like you or they'll go bankrupt
Is it so hard to understand that some people want to play their char only as they were in other server, without to be obligated to make a dwarf to earn money ?
And anyway, as i said before... if everybody was to make a dwarf... those very dwarf wouldn't make so much money anymore.
It works for you because there are players that don't make dwarfs, don't forget that.
But as i said, 1.5kk seems nothing for some player that obviously exploited the coin system and still do (as we still can crystallize the stuff)... though, everybody isn't like you and doesn't feel like exploiting an obvious bug that will just freak up the server economy
Thx to u i didnt have to write the same thing about who has wrong thinking about that.. its like : everything is great on our server u JUST need to make dwarf if u dont want to starve lol.
Let me put this simple, IF ppl dont have adena on supplies, quest marks, SA, dyes, tattos etc they start to leave. personally i dont care that much about that we r all poor but really many ppl do and if they leave then others who r happy atm will leave too when it will be hard to find any1 to pvp with 500 ppl on server (including 50% dwarfs).
Quote from: Kerth on May 09, 2010, 09:37:16 PM
Ppl who say that "go make crafts, make quests" etc, I will say you one thing.
On normal server, while exping, with suplies like ss, pots, soul and spirit ores, cursed bones etc after exping, they should be at least around 0 ( I mean, spend almost all income for it). AT LEAST. But here you are on -.
And if you are really hoping, that after 6 years of playing l2 someone will enjoy making 2nd class quest (2-3 days if they don't play too much daily), you are fu...king wrong. Rather, they will leave server, and go play another.
Ofc you can qq and say "we don't care, no need ppl", and after 1 year of playing you will ask wtf, why we have 300 online? And why we don't have new players?
when the ppl start here know that need make quest of second class.. so u are wrong about it.. ppl leave for this errors.. no becoz dont have money to pay the second class change.
Quote from: Kyouzo on May 10, 2010, 12:54:23 AM
is making teleport cost 0 so horrible?
today I had to spend like 2 hours to manage to go out of town because i haven't money for port O.o
I can tell you for sure: Easier start = more ppl playing in long term.
Regards
Easier start = more bored server.. u want ppl playing along time? make a server very stable and balanced.. i never buy SS in stores.. and i make money.. I bought spirit ore and crys cheaps.. and craft SSs in dwarf.. this is a good way to resolve economy problems.. is u pay 300a 1 bssC is ur faut, no from economy server.
you cant sell coinz wepon in shop and now start cry about no money really funny when you can sell it all cry about i make 1 char lvl 40 i get 10kk and now
you are to poor for shots pots ? donate for adena or life without them simple
Quote from: Kazuki on May 10, 2010, 08:42:58 AM
So in your point it's normal to have to make a dwarf to make money ? who has a wrong thinking ?
It could be nice if everybody was like you willing to give 1.5kk but everybody isn't like you or just can't be like you or they'll go bankrupt
noone mentioned making a dwarf. Besides, u think dwarfs have some special ability that automatically makes them adena? No, its just how ppl playing them think.
u know how much 1 ssd cost to make? 6.9 adena, u dont have to buy for 200. Till lvl 40 if u spend 20k, that means u spend 140k on shots. Mana pots are not necessary until then, u get your mana recharged 100% every time u lvl up. U got all your weapons and armor for free... i mean coins. If u are not completely incompetent, u maybe even get Homu and sold it to someone for minimum 4kk.
Even if u destroyed all mats and herbs u could get until then(mana herbs, ol mahum furs, SOP, CBP.. which would make u few more kk with minimum bargain), u would still get minimum 1.5kk for joining academy as guy offered(with time this amount will rise).
Oh wait, then u get free C grade weapon and almost free c grade set... but still isnt enough?
::)
Quote from: Ryoko on May 10, 2010, 02:01:04 AM
I wont bother If I didnt want to. I just dont understand those arogants kids. They all got some nice amount of money before update, Im sure they didnt make any quest and they are still crying here. I see that teleports prices got cut by half already.
Quote from: Srecko on May 10, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
noone mentioned making a dwarf. Besides, u think dwarfs have some special ability that automatically makes them adena? No, its just how ppl playing them think.
u know how much 1 ssd cost to make? 6.9 adena, u dont have to buy for 200. Till lvl 40 if u spend 20k, that means u spend 140k on shots. Mana pots are not necessary until then, u get your mana recharged 100% every time u lvl up. U got all your weapons and armor for free... i mean coins. If u are not completely incompetent, u maybe even get Homu and sold it to someone for minimum 4kk.
Even if u destroyed all mats and herbs u could get until then(mana herbs, ol mahum furs, SOP, CBP.. which would make u few more kk with minimum bargain), u would still get minimum 1.5kk for joining academy as guy offered(with time this amount will rise).
Oh wait, then u get free C grade weapon and almost free c grade set... but still isnt enough?
::)
Can you explain me how you find that SSD cost 6.9a to make ?
Only taking soul ore into consideration:
15 * 275 = 4125
4125 / 468 = 8.8a
Then i guess for you Cryst D are free because you exploit coin system and get stuff with coin and crystallize them ?
Because the normal way, Crystal D cost about 615a (by normal way i mean buy stuff in shop and crystallize)
if you use the normal way it's:
15 * 275 + 3 * 615 = 5970
5970 / 468 = 12.75a
So before to affirm something, please calculate, it would give more credit to what you say...
Plus who the hell would by SSD for 200a, stop exaggerating to extreme to make your point look more convincing, that's lame.
At start SSD costed 45-50a now you can find them for about 30a (i don't advice to buy for more than 30)
And you say that... but that's mean that everybody should make his own dwarf... can't you people understand that not everybody is willing to play a dwarf ?
Is it that hard to get ?
Plus following you point of view, why would someone buy an Homu 4kk if he can get it with coin... and you seem to assume everything is free.
And do you truly believe that everybody is willing to give 1.5kk to anybody joining his academy ? the guy will quickly go bankrupt if he didn't use any exploit (and as i said, coin system is an exploit to me... the hell, we're on a x9 server, not some x200)
So again, please people who have exploited the coin system and maybe last bug, stop posting your point.. the only thing you are trying to do is to keep adenas rate low so you're the only ones with adenas as you don't mind to exploit.
Quote from: Kazuki on May 10, 2010, 02:23:07 PM
Can you explain me how you find that SSD cost 6.9a to make ?
Only taking soul ore into consideration:
15 * 275 = 4125
4125 / 468 = 8.8a
Then i guess for you Cryst D are free because you exploit coin system and get stuff with coin and crystallize them ?
Because the normal way, Crystal D cost about 615a (by normal way i mean buy stuff in shop and crystallize)
if you use the normal way it's:
15 * 275 + 3 * 615 = 5970
5970 / 468 = 12.75a
So before to affirm something, please calculate, it would give more credit to what you say...
Plus who the hell would by SSD for 200a, stop exaggerating to extreme to make your point look more convincing, that's lame.
At start SSD costed 45-50a now you can find them for about 30a (i don't advice to buy for more than 30)
And you say that... but that's mean that everybody should make his own dwarf... can't you people understand that not everybody is willing to play a dwarf ?
Is it that hard to get ?
Plus following you point of view, why would someone buy an Homu 4kk if he can get it with coin... and you seem to assume everything is free.
And do you truly believe that everybody is willing to give 1.5kk to anybody joining his academy ? the guy will quickly go bankrupt if he didn't use any exploit (and as i said, coin system is an exploit to me... the hell, we're on a x9 server, not some x200)
So again, please people who have exploited the coin system and maybe last bug, stop posting your point.. the only thing you are trying to do is to keep adenas rate low so you're the only ones with adenas as you don't mind to exploit.
well about cry D, look at market, coin system made lot of crystals so ppl are selling even for 500 (i bet if you make offline buy shop for 300 adena you will get 1k cry D during night easy)
about me, i never used any expoit or walker etc, i just know how to make money normal way.
noone said you have to make dwarf to have money, as i said, you can do quests, sell mats, sell CRP to academy, sell herbs, etc. there is many ways to make money.
btw you complain that its 9x server with 3x adena. you have free Dgrade, Cgrade. on other servers where is no coin system and adena rate = exp rate its easier when ppl have to buy dgrade, cgrade? and still ppl play there and dont cry. think twice about it
Quote from: Kazuki on May 10, 2010, 02:23:07 PM
Can you explain me how you find that SSD cost 6.9a to make ?
Only taking soul ore into consideration:
15 * 275 = 4125
4125 / 468 = 8.8a
Then i guess for you Cryst D are free because you exploit coin system and get stuff with coin and crystallize them ?
Because the normal way, Crystal D cost about 615a (by normal way i mean buy stuff in shop and crystallize)
if you use the normal way it's:
15 * 275 + 3 * 615 = 5970
5970 / 468 = 12.75a
So before to affirm something, please calculate, it would give more credit to what you say...
Plus who the hell would by SSD for 200a, stop exaggerating to extreme to make your point look more convincing, that's lame.
At start SSD costed 45-50a now you can find them for about 30a (i don't advice to buy for more than 30)
And you say that... but that's mean that everybody should make his own dwarf... can't you people understand that not everybody is willing to play a dwarf ?
Is it that hard to get ?
Plus following you point of view, why would someone buy an Homu 4kk if he can get it with coin... and you seem to assume everything is free.
And do you truly believe that everybody is willing to give 1.5kk to anybody joining his academy ? the guy will quickly go bankrupt if he didn't use any exploit (and as i said, coin system is an exploit to me... the hell, we're on a x9 server, not some x200)
So again, please people who have exploited the coin system and maybe last bug, stop posting your point.. the only thing you are trying to do is to keep adenas rate low so you're the only ones with adenas as you don't mind to exploit.
for 468 ssd u need 3 crystal d grade and 9 soul ore. Soul ore is 250 at NPC, d crystals cost... u could sell it for 325 at npc, ppl selling it now for around 600.
at minimum price of 325..
9x250+3x325=3225
3225/468=6.8910...
in worst case scenario...
9x250+3x600=4050
4050/468=8.65
With big crafting fee this price goes up rapidly. After all, dwarfs must eat too.
Quote from: Srecko on May 10, 2010, 09:40:21 PM
for 468 ssd u need 3 crystal d grade and 9 soul ore. Soul ore is 250 at NPC, d crystals cost... u could sell it for 325 at npc, ppl selling it now for around 600.
at minimum price of 325..
9x250+3x325=3225
3225/468=6.8910...
in worst case scenario...
9x250+3x600=4050
4050/468=8.65
With big crafting fee this price goes up rapidly. After all, dwarfs must eat too.
unfortunately if nothing changed than ssd craft is still buged and eat 15 soul ores ;)
Quote from: nolimits on May 10, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
unfortunately if nothing changed than ssd craft is still buged and eat 15 soul ores ;)
Thanks for telling him in my place ;)
Looks like he never really crafted SSD or he would know that.. ^^
Honestly i would rather have to buy my stuff D and C than see people exploit the coin systems... because, it's maybe stupid, but some players have some ethic and refuse themselves to exploit such an obvious bug to me (giving free weapon with coin and still allowing them to be crystallized..., the fact you can't sell them directly in shop won't change anything if you still allow people to crystallize them...)
Quest never gave much honestly... and even if quest are x10, still low (lineage 2 is one of the game on which you better not count on quest too much)
Anyway i must say the adena rate is quite odd... sometimes i feel like a get much more than i should on a x3 from mobs... and sometimes much less (i'm checking the database with x1 rate but it rarely correspond if i apply them to a x3)
Quote from: Kazuki on May 10, 2010, 11:24:23 PM
Thanks for telling him in my place ;)
Looks like he never really crafted SSD or he would know that.. ^^
Never really payed any attention to how much ore disappeared, always crafting really big amounts. Does it really make any difference? crafters fee determines final price. And ssd cost is not really important when u can make few kk in the meantime.
i agree coin system is not good. It ruined economy already. But imagine, how much harder would it be for u then, if u cant make enough adena for quest marks now.
Quote from: Srecko on May 11, 2010, 12:03:02 AM
i agree coin system is not good. It ruined economy already. But imagine, how much harder would it be for u then, if u cant make enough adena for quest marks now.
u come here any way knowung that adera rate was 3x and knowing too, that u will go to make quesy if second class change. coins just fvck the most beautifull of lineage. The effort!! and 1 more thing allow this coin... the posibility to have alots of suport bots w/o work... work = quest of 2nd class.. u think that ppl will lost 3 days making quest to get 2 suport bots, having the posibility to lost all? no way.. but coins make the server full of suport bots more easy :)
beside I dont understand why do we need coin system on almost low rate server like this.
I could understand if it was much higher rate but here? its a bit weird
Quote from: Kyouzo on May 11, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
beside I dont understand why do we need coin system on almost low rate server like this.
I could understand if it was much higher rate but here? its a bit weird
gms think this help to the progress of ppl... more fast progress = more fast server death
Quote from: MumM on May 11, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
gms think this help to the progress of ppl... more fast progress = more fast server death
yep. Also higher adena rate means faster progress.