I am the clan leader.
2 days ago my account got hacked and the hacker stole all my items and clan items (jewelry and Orfen AQ boss, TTs, set DC Robe, set DC Leather, full drops, weapons, adena ...).
We have sent pm to GMs (Descent, Torn, Protocol ..) and even Jail4 in game and we have not received a response. Do not plan to do anything about it?.
It seems that the GMs do not have time to give response to this problem, and whether to raise money Donator NPC.
If GMs do not give answer to this problem my Clan Desertores, +50 players on line, will leave the server, including Donator players.
Waiting for reply ...
Quote from: Chiri on June 17, 2010, 12:15:57 AM
I am the clan leader.
2 days ago my account got hacked and the hacker stole all my items and clan items (jewelry and Orfen AQ boss, TTs, set DC Robe, set DC Leather, full drops, weapons, adena ...).
We have sent pm to GMs (Descent, Torn, Protocol ..) and even Jail4 in game and we have not received a response. Do not plan to do anything about it?.
It seems that the GMs do not have time to give response to this problem, and whether to raise money Donator NPC.
If GMs do not give answer to this problem my Clan Desertores, +50 players on line, will leave the server, including Donator players.
Waiting for reply ...
Chiri noob :D next time don't share your acc login and pass between whole clan :D
You mentioned the magic words Chiri.
If GMs dont give you correct answer to your problem, they may lose whole clan with its correspondent donators.
Dont worry man, you will be attended. Otherwise ............... they'll lose onother clan. Good luck with your claim man. :D
Reading your account logs you have shared your account to a few other players from Spain, the player who potentially has the items you claim also share other accounts with you...example SorQueen.
Therefore claiming this as a hack is a totally illogical and you should sort this out amongst yourself.
Quote from: Descent on June 17, 2010, 01:50:14 AM
Reading your account logs you have shared your account to a few other players from Spain, the player who potentially has the items you claim also share other accounts with you...example SorQueen.
Therefore claiming this as a hack is a totally illogical and you should sort this out amongst yourself.
My account Chiri as a clan leader logically only i have it.
Sorqueen account was hacked too, and yes, many people know that account but, is a secondary character and we don't pay attention.
My answer is who can hack my acount if i give it to nobody. Can u solve the problem? and recover what they have stolen?
Thanks.
i saw someone screaming in the middle of giran your account name and pass and sorqueen's too, its impossible for gm to know who stole those items now that hundreds of players have logged that account, i bet you were using walker or other kind of illegal software so a hack was to be expected.
You know he may got hacked trhu his email,not only from 3th program.Or it seems most kiddos here try to distract GM's from that option couse in that case they have a leak.And i can ashure you i have friend that already loged at DN-I won't say witch server and menaged to mess a bit he wrote as a GM so gues how good server protection is. :o ::) :-*
Quote from: Chiri on June 17, 2010, 02:35:07 AM
My account Chiri as a clan leader logically only i have it.
Sorqueen account was hacked too, and yes, many people know that account but, is a secondary character and we don't pay attention.
My answer is who can hack my acount if i give it to nobody. Can u solve the problem? and recover what they have stolen?
Thanks.
You did share your account, thats is the 1st mistake.
We can not know what protection are you using for your computer, nor the sites you are visiting.
Your account is completly and fully your responsibility (as long its not servers security leak), so you and only you have full responsibility about it.
We can not restore any items that you have lost, because we (gm or dn) , didnt do anything regarding it to make you loose them.
And finally even on official, they do not help nor restore any items in "hack" cases.
Quote from: EsaKeDoem on June 17, 2010, 09:07:09 AM
You know he may got hacked trhu his email,not only from 3th program.Or it seems most kiddos here try to distract GM's from that option couse in that case they have a leak.And i can ashure you i have friend that already loged at DN-I won't say witch server and menaged to mess a bit he wrote as a GM so gues how good server protection is. :o ::) :-*
Hacking trough his mail means someone "HACKED" his mail not the server side, since usually people are using mails marc@blabla.com with pass marc1986 or in generally that persons who do know them in rl can easy guess after few times, then there is security question about which mail he used or did he put security questions (<< ITS QUITE IMPORTANT).
This is the BIGGEST crap i ever heard so far, none can log as gm as long his IP isnt unlocked,security of DN is solid rock regarding accounts and privacy things, so your story is same as fairytale.Show us some proofs if you still claim same thing or do not post same thigs and lies again.
on 15x gms would help him even if was his fault
Quote from: Chiri on June 17, 2010, 12:15:57 AM
If GMs do not give answer to this problem my Clan Desertores, +50 players on line, will leave the server, including Donator players.
And who are you and where are those 50 ppl onilne lol? :D
Quote from: Torn on June 17, 2010, 09:54:20 AM
marc@blabla.com with pass marc1986
Doesnt work :'(
Quote from: Descent on June 17, 2010, 01:50:14 AM
Reading your account logs you have shared your account to a few other players from Spain, the player who potentially has the items you claim also share other accounts with you...example SorQueen.
Therefore claiming this as a hack is a totally illogical and you should sort this out amongst yourself.
pooned
Quote from: k0dex on June 17, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
And who are you and where are those 50 ppl onilne lol? :D
exactly :)), i thought your clan got scattered 1 month ago :D
So in case a clan is clearly hacked. A clan warehouse left empty. Clan members expelled from clan by hackers. the name and code of a leaders account shouted out in Giran repeatedly. GMs will only say it is a pity for this clan? Only that there are bad boys out there?.
GMs can say it is not their fault. GMs can say and recommend that security meassures taken by players and clan leaders are the best.
But can GMs say it is not their problem? If hackers are left by themselves and get their goals, which kind of security for items provides this server? Is it worth making a donation here or dedicating time to get good gear? I think you should at least try to find out who hacked this account, which IP was used, give permnanent ban to this Ip and restore items to this clan. In other case think what a player or clan members will think of security you offer for buing your product.
Some server provide an identification of items with a number. Dunno if you use that here or not. In cases like this you could make disappear hacked items and restore them to their legitimate owners.
Be intelligent GMs, try to give a solution to these problems, it affects security of your server and confidence of players. In the long run it is better to be fair with fair ppl.
You can say it is not your problem. But thinks like this are real big problems for the server continuity. These items would have already been restored in 15x.
Not a funny thing.
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
So in case a clan is clearly hacked. A clan warehouse left empty. Clan members expelled from clan by hackers. the name and code of a leaders account shouted out in Giran repeatedly. GMs will only say it is a pity for this clan? Only that there are bad boys out there?.
GMs can say it is not their fault. GMs can say and recommend that security meassures taken by players and clan leaders are the best.
But can GMs say it is not their problem? If hackers are left by themselves and get their goals, which kind of security for items provides this server? Is it worth making a donation here or dedicating time to get good gear? I think you should at least try to find out who hacked this account, which IP was used, give permnanent ban to this Ip and restore items to this clan. In other case think what a player or clan members will think of security you offer for buing your product.
Some server provide an identification of items with a number. Dunno if you use that here or not. In cases like this you could make disappear hacked items and restore them to their legitimate owners.
Be intelligent GMs, try to give a solution to these problems, it affects security of your server and confidence of players. In the long run it is better to be fair with fair ppl.
You can say it is not your problem. But thinks like this are real big problems for the server continuity. These items would have already been restored in 15x.
Not a funny thing.
Are you sure they should be restored on x15 or x30 or x5? I have talked to their GM-s they told me they do not restore items to anyone as long as its not server side issue.
And let me remind you again , yes read it again: Your clan leader or whoever it is shared his ACCOUNT (by his own fingers) to other person who legitly logged his account since HE gave him its multi-IP logging account means = SHARED ACCOUNT , means = NOT OUR FAULT , means = ITS HIS FAULT 100%
And ill repeat 1 more time epic one: DO NOT SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT TO ANYONE.
on 15x they ban scammers and restore items, even for shared acounts after investigation
if u deny this u are liars (again)
Quote from: k0rina on June 17, 2010, 11:58:49 AM
not rly only by scam not when u share ur acc with ur own fingers lol this is ur fault
but btw torn if u able take them back just do it lol wont be hard for u even if it is his fault
the only case they don't restore is when ppl buy some chars and later ex owner change pass
so u are 200% wrong lol
To Torn:
- Maybe other servers GMs tell you that in order to appear as tough men. No doubt they want to keep players and dont mind if you loose them. Probably they solve better the problems of most donating clans and players than those of others. Anyway each GM defend their own house as they prefer. Be sure they try to keep their clients well attended. You should have to take your own decissions. You can also solve ppl problems without publicity or show in public that it is not your problem and you dont care.
- Any active clan leader need to share his account with a few mates of his real confidence. A clan leader cant be 24 hour x 7 days. The clan leader must be present in every siege. So all clan leaders need to share that account ocassionally and it is not logic that for doing so they cant even protest when suffering such an attack.
I think you should make ppl confident for their investments in your server, and make hackers feel that their actions are usless for them.
If you think that these attacks to clans or player accounts is not your problem, you have a problem, since it means you are not going to take any action when this happens now or in future.
¿is that what you are saying?
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 01:20:10 PM
To Torn:
- Maybe other servers GMs tell you that in order to appear as tough men. No doubt they want to keep players and dont mind if you loose them. Probably they solve better the problems of most donating clans and players than those of others. Anyway each GM defend their own house as they prefer. Be sure they try to keep their clients well attended. You should have to take your own decissions. You can also solve ppl problems without publicity or show in public that it is not your problem and you dont care.
- Any active clan leader need to share his account with a few mates of his real confidence. A clan leader cant be 24 hour x 7 days. The clan leader must be present in every siege. So all clan leaders need to share that account ocassionally and it is not logic that for doing so they cant even protest when suffering such an attack.
I think you should make ppl confident for their investments in your server, and make hackers feel that their actions are usless for them.
If you think that these attacks to clans or player accounts is not your problem, you have a problem, since it means you are not going to take any action when this happens now or in future.
¿is that what you are saying?
I banned the "HACKER"
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
So in case a clan is clearly hacked. A clan warehouse left empty. Clan members expelled from clan by hackers. the name and code of a leaders account shouted out in Giran repeatedly. GMs will only say it is a pity for this clan? Only that there are bad boys out there?.
GMs can say it is not their fault. GMs can say and recommend that security meassures taken by players and clan leaders are the best.
But can GMs say it is not their problem? If hackers are left by themselves and get their goals, which kind of security for items provides this server? Is it worth making a donation here or dedicating time to get good gear? I think you should at least try to find out who hacked this account, which IP was used, give permnanent ban to this Ip and restore items to this clan. In other case think what a player or clan members will think of security you offer for buing your product.
Some server provide an identification of items with a number. Dunno if you use that here or not. In cases like this you could make disappear hacked items and restore them to their legitimate owners.
Be intelligent GMs, try to give a solution to these problems, it affects security of your server and confidence of players. In the long run it is better to be fair with fair ppl.
You can say it is not your problem. But thinks like this are real big problems for the server continuity. These items would have already been restored in 15x.
the most brilliant words I ever read on this forum, guy, you deserve a cherry. Btw Im tottally not on any side but this guy takes the point undaubtedly. On one hand I strongly believe that it is the CL's fault, that he might have given his passwords to soebody or somebody could have checked his/her e-mail and simply read the passwords. On the onther hand it's so frustrative that he actually might have been hacked by some fookers and if this happens again more than 50% gonna get you GMs spemmed about protection. All in all, if you do not check who has stolen the items it may cause you some bigger troubles than this single post. best regards for all, see ya
Quote from: Torn on June 17, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
I banned the "HACKER"
Well made Torn. That is an important part of the problem. Punishment for hackers.
The second part is restore items to legitimate owners and, that way, restore complete confidence in GMs of this server , that here private property exists.
Police arrest thieves and send them to justice. Objects stolen are restored to legitimate owners. Police dont keep them for themselves, or should not. Confidence in private property in the server can be real or not, as you decide. Good luck.
Quote from: Torn on June 17, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
I banned the "HACKER"
Have you ? since you always force us to give you a solid proof (of sb botting, hacks, exploit etc etc ), will you now follow your own rulez and provide us with a steady proof that the rogue has been eradicated ?
Quote from: Torn on June 17, 2010, 09:54:20 AM
You did share your account, thats is the 1st mistake.
We can not know what protection are you using for your computer, nor the sites you are visiting.
Your account is completly and fully your responsibility (as long its not servers security leak), so you and only you have full responsibility about it.
We can not restore any items that you have lost, because we (gm or dn) , didnt do anything regarding it to make you loose them.
And finally even on official, they do not help nor restore any items in "hack" cases.Hacking trough his mail means someone "HACKED" his mail not the server side, since usually people are using mails marc@blabla.com with pass marc1986 or in generally that persons who do know them in rl can easy guess after few times, then there is security question about which mail he used or did he put security questions (<< ITS QUITE IMPORTANT).
This is the BIGGEST crap i ever heard so far, none can log as gm as long his IP isnt unlocked,security of DN is solid rock regarding accounts and privacy things, so your story is same as fairytale.Show us some proofs if you still claim same thing or do not post same thigs and lies again.
1st.I know what i saw and I know what we where talking in skype.
2nd.I'm happy that you are so confidient in your self,but that doesn't mean that server is 100% protected.There are enof paths.
3th and last ; think on this werry carefull-i don't play here i don't have a reson to lie,i come to forum in my spear time or whyle i w8 my kisk to see what crap you did with one of my favorite L2 servers.I'm just witnessing the death.I played here for 5 long years and the whole time i was protecting Drake as a coder,but not after the crap he made with HB.
Iff you can't understand what i say is not my problem and i don't care .
;D Good luck with your "secure" server.
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
Well made Torn. That is an important part of the problem. Punishment for hackers.
The second part is restore items to legitimate owners and, that way, restore complete confidence in GMs of this server , that here private property exists.
Police arrest thieves and send them to justice. Objects stolen are restored to legitimate owners. Police dont keep them for themselves, or should not. Confidence in private property in the server can be real or not, as you decide. Good luck.
you should probably call the police than :)
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
Well made Torn. That is an important part of the problem. Punishment for hackers.
The second part is restore items to legitimate owners and, that way, restore complete confidence in GMs of this server , that here private property exists.
Police arrest thieves and send them to justice. Objects stolen are restored to legitimate owners. Police dont keep them for themselves, or should not. Confidence in private property in the server can be real or not, as you decide. Good luck.
Im agree with u, this is an imporant part of the problem, ban the bad guy. But it isnt the solution, Gm should restore the stolen items man its 9x, have a good items is very dificult, items like AQ o Orfen.
if u have a plastic door in your house and u get stole, the police wouldnt say "it is ur problem buy a better door" they try to found your stolen items and the guy who do this, its their work and the WOrk of GM, i think...
Quote from: jailaa on June 17, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
you should probably call the police than :)
if we call the policy we can say BB to server XD like in C4 with FBI jajajaj
and jaila it think it isnt a topic for joke... share solution!! no shit
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
if we call the policy we cna say BB to server XD like in C4 with FBI jajajaj
yes because they care ... :) as I do
Quote from: Torn on June 17, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
I banned the "HACKER"
Yep He banned me :D Next time dont download 3rd programs ilegals and this won't happen!:P
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
if we call the policy we can say BB to server XD like in C4 with FBI jajajaj
and jaila it think it isnt a topic for joke... share solution!! no shit < Question
Quote from: GuRa on June 17, 2010, 02:52:29 PM
Yep He banned me :D Next time dont download 3rd programs ilegals and this won't happen!:P < Answer/Solution
Probably was some thing like
www.Dragon-Network.net5#$%34v5.net
"If you want a working l2w and Items Instert Password and login" xD
Quote from: GuRa on June 17, 2010, 02:52:29 PM
Yep He banned me :D Next time dont download 3rd programs ilegals and this won't happen!:P
i think u dont know nothing about this 3r programs..u say this like bot..i go to explain u dotn worry man
do u think the progrmer of l2w are hacking ppl who play in DN??¬¬ and if u download l2w for other site upload by a "noob hacker using trojans" he must play in Dn(there are more server than dn..) becouse if i infected some pcs i wouldnt change my server only for freak a guy...
i dont know the Dn secure system but if u are sure its perfect(there arent the perfect secure) will be our fault..
i know chiri isnt infected by some trojans explit and so on...as i revise his computer personaly, im telecommunications engineer i can share with GMs the screens of my internal scam like firewalls log, conections scaning and so on with this scam, whats more Chiri is using DeepFreeze Standard 6.61.20.2822 and he cant be hacked by trojans o exploit...
i think chiri's computer is a secure machine but its not perfect, if i would hack his machine and i see this problems sure i dont do this for a game =( only for money xD.
Gms i think it is ur fault.. Please resolve this.. and can u say me what acount has been baned? PM plz
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 03:02:32 PM
i think u dont know nothing about this 3r programs..u say this like bot..i go to explain u dotn worry man
do u think the progrmer of l2w are hacking ppl who play in DN??¬¬ and if u download l2w for other site upload by a "noob hacker using trojans" he must play in Dn(there are more server than dn..) becouse if i infected some pcs i wouldnt change my server only for freak a guy...
i dont know the Dn secure system but if u are sure its perfect(there arent the perfect secure) will be our fault..
i know chiri isnt infected by some trojans explit and so on...as i revise his computer personaly, im telecommunications engineer i can share with GMs the screens of my internal scam like firewalls log, conections scaning and so on with this scam, whats more Chiri is using DeepFreeze Standard 6.61.20.2822 and he cant be hacked by trojans o exploit...
i think chiri's computer is a secure machine but its not perfect, if i would hack his machine and i see this problems sure i dont do this for a game =( only for money xD.
Gms i think it is ur fault.. Please resolve this.. and can u say me what acount has been baned? PM plz
A ti te respondo en español: chiri fue infectado por descargarse cosas que no debia, y estuve 2 semanas esperando hasta que me canse y le robé todo lo que me dio la gana.Menos bla bla bla!!
Torn, give back items of Monkas too.
Quote from: GuRa on June 17, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
A ti te respondo en español: chiri fue infectado por descargarse cosas que no debia, y estuve 2 semanas esperando hasta que me canse y le robé todo lo que me dio la gana.Menos bla bla bla!!
Me estas diciendo que tu infectaste a chiri hace 2 semanas por medio de un troyano o algun exploit? y con que finalidad si ivas a ser baneado? y los items devueltos?
Quote from: GuRa on June 17, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
A ti te respondo en español: chiri fue infectado por descargarse cosas que no debia, y estuve 2 semanas esperando hasta que me canse y le robé todo lo que me dio la gana.Menos bla bla bla!!
Torn, give back items of Monkas too.
lol :) (yes I understand spanish, portugues, italian and french )
translation for torn: "i answer to you in spanish: chiri was infected for downloading something he shouldn't have, i've waited 2 weeks and i took everything i wanted"
This guys must get ban in all acount no only in valkiria.
GuRa piensas que lo que has hecho es un juego que no tien repercusioens importantes? bueno pues te explico me parece que no eres cosciente de lo que haces esto implica un delito contra la privacidad intelectual que conlleva una sancion ya sea monetaria o por reincidencia puedes imaginarte..asume que no eres mas que un niño jugando a ser un cracker..usando troyanos y demas..espero que la proxima vez tengas mas cuidado...
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
This guys must get ban in all acount no only in valkiria.
GuRa piensas que lo que has hecho es un juego que no tien repercusioens importantes? bueno pues te explico me parece que no eres cosciente de lo que haces esto implica un delito contra la privacidad intelectual que conlleva una sancion ya sea monetaria o por reincidencia puedes imaginarte..asume que no eres mas que un niño jugando a ser un cracker..usando troyanos y demas..espero que la proxima vez tengas mas cuidado...
"delito contra la privacidad intelectual" .. you are a crime against Darwin's theory of Evolution
I am sorry, "i am not a real gm" so I can laugh at this. Torn can be serious.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, imo you should denounce him to the police :D I'm sure south american countries have strict rules against online crime.
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
This guys must get ban in all acount no only in valkiria.
GuRa piensas que lo que has hecho es un juego que no tien repercusioens importantes? bueno pues te explico me parece que no eres cosciente de lo que haces esto implica un delito contra la privacidad intelectual que conlleva una sancion ya sea monetaria o por reincidencia puedes imaginarte..asume que no eres mas que un niño jugando a ser un cracker..usando troyanos y demas..espero que la proxima vez tengas mas cuidado...
Si era un server legal............................... ::) ,pero tio que queres quando juegas en serveros privatos.Perdona my espaniol no lo e practicado desde casi 14 anios.
In view of last posts it seems the hacker has introduced some software cheating this clan leader.
After waiting two weeks has stolen all important items he wanted and has publically shouted the codes of that account.
Hacker has received just a temporal ban :o :o :o :o. Incredible................
Legitimate owners have not items restored. Even more incredible :o :o :o :o :o ...............
And you want the rest of the server go on with donations if you dont restore stolen items? Yep. Incredible :o :o :o :o :o and ridiculous .......................................
Quote from: jailaa on June 17, 2010, 03:19:05 PM
"delito contra la privacidad intelectual" .. you are a crime against Darwin's theory of Evolution
I am sorry, "i am not a real gm" so I can laugh at this. Torn can be serious.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, imo you should denounce him to the police :D I'm sure south american countries have strict rules against online crime.
jaila im for spain and yes we have strict rules against online crime =) TY spanish goverment.
and its not only for a game, he can get important info form chiri's computer..
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 03:27:26 PM
In view of last posts it seems the hacker has introduced some software cheating this clan leader.
After waiting two weeks has stolen all important items he wanted and has publically shouted the codes of that account.
Hacker has received just a temporal ban :o :o :o :o. Incredible................
Legitimate owners have not items restored. Even more incredible :o :o :o :o :o ...............
And you want the rest of the server go on with donations if you dont restore stolen items? Yep. Incredible :o :o :o :o :o and ridiculous .......................................
im with u but hacker get a permant ban check gura. I cant undestarnd why Gm Dont restore our items plz xplain this..
Sry for dual post ban me with 400 hours.. and no restore my items ¬¬(trying to be sarcastic)
EsaKeDoem i love ur avatar xD
Quote from: Tipo on June 17, 2010, 03:27:26 PM
In view of last posts it seems the hacker has introduced some software cheating this clan leader.
After waiting two weeks has stolen all important items he wanted and has publically shouted the codes of that account.
Hacker has received just a temporal ban :o :o :o :o. Incredible................
Legitimate owners have not items restored. Even more incredible :o :o :o :o :o ...............
And you want the rest of the server go on with donations if you dont restore stolen items? Yep. Incredible :o :o :o :o :o and ridiculous .......................................
I get perma ban, but np, this week is raining all days, and i had ahobby for now =)!
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 03:31:41 PM
jaila im for spain and yes we have strict rules against online crime =) TY spanish goverment.
and its not only for a game, he can get important info form chiri's computer..
Jaja, Es solo un juego. Que chiri se meta en menos paginas niceo, y veras como no le pasa eso! Y fui bueno, no rompi los items! Eso si la mitad estan regalados, como mucho recuperareis 3 aqs!
Quote from: EsaKeDoem on June 17, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
Si era un server legal............................... ::) ,pero tio que queres quando juegas en serveros privatos.Perdona my espaniol no lo e practicado desde casi 14 anios.
U know enough to understand yoou=)
Quote from: hytac on June 17, 2010, 03:02:32 PM
i think u dont know nothing about this 3r programs..u say this like bot..i go to explain u dotn worry man
do u think the progrmer of l2w are hacking ppl who play in DN??¬¬ and if u download l2w for other site upload by a "noob hacker using trojans" he must play in Dn(there are more server than dn..) becouse if i infected some pcs i wouldnt change my server only for freak a guy...
i dont know the Dn secure system but if u are sure its perfect(there arent the perfect secure) will be our fault..
i know chiri isnt infected by some trojans explit and so on...as i revise his computer personaly, im telecommunications engineer i can share with GMs the screens of my internal scam like firewalls log, conections scaning and so on with this scam, whats more Chiri is using DeepFreeze Standard 6.61.20.2822 and he cant be hacked by trojans o exploit...
i think chiri's computer is a secure machine but its not perfect, if i would hack his machine and i see this problems sure i dont do this for a game =( only for money xD.
Gms i think it is ur fault.. Please resolve this.. and can u say me what acount has been baned? PM plz
THIS IS THE GUY !!
Quote from: GuRa on June 17, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
I get perma ban, but np, this week is raining all days, and i had ahobby for now =)!Jaja, Es solo un juego. Que chiri se meta en menos paginas niceo, y veras como no le pasa eso! Y fui bueno, no rompi los items! Eso si la mitad estan regalados, como mucho recuperareis 3 aqs!
Amigo no es solo un juego..si aun tiens establecida esa conexion puedes teern problemas pero al caso aunque los hayas regalado no puedes regalar algo que no es tuyo o vendido eso tiene que ser devuelto..
Quote from: jailaa on June 17, 2010, 03:09:41 PM
lol :) (yes I understand spanish, portugues, italian and french )
huh, nice, now lets learn hungarian ;D
plz dont disturb..
Gms plz xplain why u dont restore our items ??? ???
The first problem has been resolved sucesfully,localice and ban the Hacker although i dont undestand why GMs say it is my fault.
I´m very grateful to people who are agree with me. thanks.
I think GMs should recover and restore what this person stole me, as this items are the work of a clan since server started, and what is my fault if some guy hack my PC?.
I'm sorry but if GMs dont return us OUR items, we will go to other server.
GL to other Clans. Bye.
So the end of story is a ban for a hacker and clan loose items?
Blame to robbed ppl?
Is that fair?
You dont care plyrs?
Not a good end here I'm afraid. For server I mean.
Quote from: Chiri on June 17, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
The first problem has been resolved sucesfully,localice and ban the Hacker although i dont undestand why GMs say it is my fault.
I´m very grateful to people who are agree with me. thanks.
I think GMs should recover and restore what this person stole me, as this items are the work of a clan since server started, and what is my fault if some guy hack my PC?.
I'm sorry but if GMs dont return us OUR items, we will go to other server.
GL to other Clans. Bye.
+1
QuoteSo the end of story is a ban for a hacker and clan loose items?
Blame to robbed ppl?
Is that fair?
You dont care plyrs?
Not a good end here I'm afraid. For server I mean.
man im completely agree with u it isnt fair..
I think GMs want to do it well. Problem maybe they are unexperienced.
But what is fair and clear is that justice must be done.
No private propiety security atm.
Not in server.
Lets see what they decide at last.
Mby those items are already sold to others players, and GMs dont need topics like "OMG .. gm robbed me" . But biger probably is this, then only server admin may interfere to players equipment, so like someone beautifull say "We must wait for drake" ;)
Quote from: Theo on June 17, 2010, 07:40:36 PM
Mby those items are already sold to others players, and GMs dont need topics like "OMG .. gm robbed me" . But biger probably is this, then only server admin may interfere to players equipment, so like someone beautifull say "We must wait for drake" ;)
The scammer said that he gave AQ like presents...
This accounts stolen .... that is nothing new .... what is new ... do not get them back again .... maybe any of us here, we can remove the account to any ... would be pretty decent and moral that the items are returned ... if it is not, we know the kind of servers in which we invest the time 8) 8)
one post to reconsider whether this is fair ..
P.D:The google translator FTW..xD
Quote from: Crube on June 17, 2010, 09:31:17 PM
This accounts stolen .... that is nothing new .... what is new ... do not get them back again .... maybe any of us here, we can remove the account to any ... would be pretty decent and moral that the items are returned ... if it is not, we know the kind of servers in which we invest the time 8) 8)
one post to reconsider whether this is fair ..
P.D:The google translator FTW..xD
+1 man
Is it worth staying in this server if GMs are not going to solve such an easy problem like this?
The point is that a clans efforts has been stolen.
The point is that GMs know that.
The point is that they have not restored items.
The point is that the rest of server and the rest of clans are going to know what they can expect of this server justice.
The point is that if no reasonable justice made, this will be a no return point for those who understand this situation.
No colours here to think about. Justice or just disattention.
Really a "dont support more shit" point.
No smiles for you at this time GMs. Just action.
I think we should make it with our mothers each other.
get a life ;D
1. Dont give ID/Pass to anyone..
2. Dont use 3rd programs, can have trojans!
3. If u loss ur items, for break 1-2 GM can help you, but its your trouble.
4. GM must ban the "scamer" for moral, no for break rules (H) Scamer only log a account that know, and transfer items to main=)
5. If want can give items back, but is a option, no a obligation.
6. Its funny see cry in forum=)
More obscenity than any other thing here.
Not cries.
Quote from: k0dex on June 18, 2010, 01:28:08 AM
I think we should make it with our mothers each other.
kodex...from enclave...true???
this happens the leader of "enclave" would seem you fair?? not give you all again ..??... is more handsome ... to any strong leader of this clan server ... I STOLEN account and will want to recover susitems.
Putting for a moment in the skin of a Leader Ian ....???( removed all Enclave, Zeng, OldSchool, Exidium .. etc. .. etc) to leave your opinion
PD: Only if Deserters clan solidarity with XDDDD ... nooo kidding!
To be honest I didnt read all that crap why or how he hacked DS, in my opinion if he brake in to database DS should get items back. If he got leaders acc by friend of hes friend of hes uncle or put keyloger on hes PC, the leader is nab and dont deserve anything.
Desertores still exist? Btw I loled hard with "50 ppl in clan" or "epics in cwh" , who the hell keeps epics in cwh if some member need it ?
Quote from: k0dex on June 18, 2010, 03:06:16 AM
Desertores still exist? Btw I loled hard with "50 ppl in clan" or "epics in cwh" , who the hell keeps epics in cwh if some member need it ?
DesectoreS Clan still exists, or u think that 8 AQ and 4 Orfen that have stolen hacking my account we have given the GMs?.
Why we have jewelry epic in cwh? So you do not mind. That's just my problem ... maybe you need and you can not kill AQ?.
Stop putting shit and take care for your clan.
Atentamente a GURA:
Decirte que no me extraña lo ocurrido, es algo normal ... hay mucho "hdp" por ahi suelto, sin vida social, encerrado entre 4 paredes, delante de un PC, pensando a quien puede joder.
Pero no te sientas orgulloso ni realizado por lo que has hecho, que esto solo es un server de mierda de un juego de mierda. En la vida hay cosas mucho mas importantes que esto.
P.D.: seguro que eres un puto niñato gordo blanquito de no darle el Sol, con la cara llena de granos de matarse a pajas ... que se come los Bollycaos como Pikos ... pero no te lo tomes a mal ... todo esto desde el cariño.
Un saludo ... chaval ... a ver si creces!!
I got loled after reading this topic :D To Chiri: Your protection can suck against Keylogger wrote in Assembler :] That's all.
Time has come GMs restore items.
It is their privilege and also their work. If they want to manage a secure server.
Waiting , waiting, too much waiting I think.
No sense investing in server till this case has a clear solution from GMs.
Quote from: Chiri on June 18, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
DesectoreS Clan still exists, or u think that 8 AQ and 4 Orfen that have stolen hacking my account we have given the GMs?.
Why we have jewelry epic in cwh? So you do not mind. That's just my problem ... maybe you need and you can not kill AQ?.
Stop putting shit and take care for your clan.
Wait, som1 can translate?
Quote from: Chiri on June 18, 2010, 04:45:12 AM
Atentamente a GURA:
Decirte que no me extraña lo ocurrido, es algo normal ... hay mucho "hdp" por ahi suelto, sin vida social, encerrado entre 4 paredes, delante de un PC, pensando a quien puede joder.
Pero no te sientas orgulloso ni realizado por lo que has hecho, que esto solo es un server de mierda de un juego de mierda. En la vida hay cosas mucho mas importantes que esto.
P.D.: seguro que eres un puto niñato gordo blanquito de no darle el Sol, con la cara llena de granos de matarse a pajas ... que se come los Bollycaos como Pikos ... pero no te lo tomes a mal ... todo esto desde el cariño.
Un saludo ... chaval ... a ver si creces!!
Yo creo que los sin vida social sois vosots los que os quedais jugando a un juego, y creais una vida paralela que es mejor que la vuestra! Como dije entre por que me aburria, yo hace 2 años que deje el dragon15x.
PD: no, no soy un niño gordito sentado,hago mas ejercicio del que tu haras seguro ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is a crazy server indeed.
Hacker can still acces to forum to attack the leader of the clan who has suffered his attack.
That leader and that clan dont get items restored.
Hacker laughs.
GMs allow all this and say is not their problem?
Question is if it is better to be a hacker or an honest player in this server?.
For the moment it seems its better to be the hacker. Ridiculous situation.
Quote from: GuRa on June 18, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
Yo creo que los sin vida social sois vosots los que os quedais jugando a un juego, y creais una vida paralela que es mejor que la vuestra! Como dije entre por que me aburria, yo hace 2 años que deje el dragon15x.
PD: no, no soy un niño gordito sentado,hago mas ejercicio del que tu haras seguro ;)
claro que haces ejercicio haciendote pajas viendo niceotube
Quote from: Lecktor on June 18, 2010, 12:52:18 PM
i am just currious what 3 th program did your clan leader try to download , how he wanted to cheat???
walker oog
Quote from: antibot on June 18, 2010, 01:16:16 PM
claro que haces ejercicio haciendote pajas viendo niceotube
jajja si tulo dices!=)
jajajajaja close topic
I do not understand why there are GMs on this server... after this hack, the hacker was banned from server but still posting in forum?.
It is worth donating on this server and continue playing knowing that GMs won't give back any items stolen by a hacker attack?.
Maybe if I were donator GMs have acted differently?.
I´m waiting for an answer from GMs, if they want to give back what was stolen to terminate this topic and continue playing on this server or else, move to another server.
Thanks.
por favor no te vayas !!!!!!!!!!!! por favor no te vayas, hay que reÃrse de usted más por ser "hacked"
torn descide si regresa cualquiera de los items, pero si era yo, no le darÃa nada
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
por favor no te vayas !!!!!!!!!!!! por favor no te vayas, hay que reÃrse de usted más por ser "hacked"
torn descide si regresa cualquiera de los items, pero si era yo, no le darÃa nada
jailaa me gusta tu español jaja, lo hablas bien!
Quote from: Chiri on June 18, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
I do not understand why there are GMs on this server... after this hack, the hacker was banned from server but still posting in forum?.
It is worth donating on this server and continue playing knowing that GMs won't give back any items stolen by a hacker attack?.
Jajaja i dont break forum rules, why i must be banned here!:O
As i said before, its your fault, GM no must give items back=)
first thing is that ... .. no Chiri discharge to pc nothing to steal it all ... the "virus" was a link like this "http://dl.ziza.es/upload/image/ 092008/05/practicando_tatuajes_31/tatus_cerdos44.jpg "and the photo was not downloaded to pc .. so is to insist that this is not normal, the GM has to return things to the owner ... is the 1st time I see it. .. fair is fair ... and what GM is doing with "Deserters" is not fair ... just read post saying stupid things against "Chiri" but I really think that is buscariais not happen to you the same? ;D ;D ;D
P.D:GM you can not act as if this were an x30 server in 2 days ... they have things back they stole from them ... I bet the same thing I think I think too many on the server ... overnight a clan loses everything and the GM did not act decisively is not the most sensible ... you should show more friendly because you're there by clans such as Chiri ... think of your server ... like piece of information ... do not seek the donator server without people .. if you donate is with people ...^^... server
QuoteIt is worth donating on this server and continue playing knowing that GMs won't give back any items stolen by a hacker attack?.
That's the question, this was not an hacker attack.
This was just /i am dumbass of CL
el GM no tiene que hacer nada. el server no fue hacked, se chiri que fue hacked porque él no sabe cómo usar una computador y descargas de fotos niceo con toros
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
por favor no te vayas !!!!!!!!!!!! por favor no te vayas, hay que reÃrse de usted más por ser "hacked"
torn descide si regresa cualquiera de los items, pero si era yo, no le darÃa nada
is noted as not never played lineage .. you are a friend of GM without Built in lifetime base in the game ... if you would not do anything ... the problem never esque when you have some time in the lineage that you realize which is a time you invest in a server and in a Gms ... when they steal your stuff and log out who has been stolen ... looking for a apollo by GMs and whether the above ... sorry these no, you take it up as a joke you do not give me any respect, may be the boss do whatever you want but little angel to be a leader you have to do it on your side ... and that comment totally out of place as lost too many points
Quote from: Crube on June 18, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
is noted as not never played lineage .. you are a friend of GM without Built in lifetime base in the game ... if you would not do anything ... the problem never esque when you have some time in the lineage that you realize which is a time you invest in a server and in a Gms ... when they steal your stuff and log out who has been stolen ... looking for a apollo by GMs and whether the above ... sorry these no, you take it up as a joke you do not give me any respect, may be the boss do whatever you want but little angel to be a leader you have to do it on your side ... and that comment totally out of place as lost too many points
habla español y voy a tratar de traducir, porque no puedes hablar inglés para la mierda
se nota que no as jugado nunca al lineage..eres un amigo del gm sin nunguna base en el juego...si por ti fuera no harias nada nunca...el problema esque cuando llevas algun tiempo en esto del lineage te das cuenta que es un tiempo que inviertes en un server y en unos Gms...cuando te roban tus cosas y en el LOG sale que a sido robado...buscas un apollo por parte de los GMs y si estos encima...perdon estos no ,TU encima te lo tomas a broma no me das ningun respeto,puedes ser el Jefe hacer lo que te plazca pero pequeño angelito para ser un lider tienes que conseguirlo por tu parte...y con ese comentario totalmente fuera de lugar as perdido demasiados puntos
Quote from: Crube on June 18, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
se nota que no as jugado nunca al lineage..eres un amigo del gm sin nunguna base en el juego...si por ti fuera no harias nada nunca...el problema esque cuando llevas algun tiempo en esto del lineage te das cuenta que es un tiempo que inviertes en un server y en unos Gms...cuando te roban tus cosas y en el LOG sale que a sido robado...buscas un apollo por parte de los GMs y si estos encima...perdon estos no ,TU encima te lo tomas a broma no me das ningun respeto,puedes ser el Jefe hacer lo que te plazca pero pequeño angelito para ser un lider tienes que conseguirlo por tu parte...y con ese comentario totalmente fuera de lugar as perdido demasiados puntos
usted debe utilizar puntuacion, porque yo no hablo español tan bueno. pero si entiendo bien: es culpa de chiri para ser hacked. si dejo mi auto abierto con las llaves dentro y se la roban .. Yo soy un idiota y la policÃa se reirá de mÃ. si me dan las llaves de mi apartamento a alguien a quien no lo sabe y me roban la policÃa se reirá de mÃ, porque yo soy un idiota.
y la policÃa tiene que encontrar al ladrón y mi coche porque tengo que pagar impuestos. Cuánto paga usted aquÃ? además de jugar gratis, te debemos NADA
chiri, es facil denuncialo a la policÃa ya que lo que este ha echo es un acto penal aqui en españa, y el amiguito aqui es español asi que... si lo denuncias se le cae el pelo y lo que no es el pelo
https://www.agpd.es/portalwebAGPD/index-ides-idphp.php
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 03:00:55 PM
usted debe utilizar puntuacion, porque yo no hablo español tan bueno. pero si entiendo bien: es culpa de chiri para ser hacked. si dejo mi auto abierto con las llaves dentro y se la roban .. Yo soy un idiota y la policÃa se reirá de mÃ. si me dan las llaves de mi apartamento a alguien a quien no lo sabe y me roban la policÃa se reirá de mÃ, porque yo soy un idiota.
y la policÃa tiene que encontrar al ladrón y mi coche porque tengo que pagar impuestos. Cuánto paga usted aquÃ? además de jugar gratis, te debemos NADA
jajajajaja....jaila...jaila...yo aqui no pago nada...en shadow donator FULL,Dragon...FULL,Frintezza FULL...y regresando al tema....no me daras a entender que tu eres la policia...y tienes que actuar como ellos..? sabes quien a sido...tienes los items...tienes todo para resolverlo...solo que te gusta mas esta situacion hacer lo correcto no cuesta nada y siempre tienes a gente que te apolle...hacer lo facil..siempre es lo menos adecuado...una ultima pregunta y no busco discutir.....¿si te pasa a ti que harias?
Quote from: Crube on June 18, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
jajajajaja....jaila...jaila...yo aqui no pago nada...en shadow donator FULL,Dragon...FULL,Frintezza FULL...y regresando al tema....no me daras a entender que tu eres la policia...y tienes que actuar como ellos..? sabes quien a sido...tienes los items...tienes todo para resolverlo...solo que te gusta mas esta situacion hacer lo correcto no cuesta nada y siempre tienes a gente que te apolle...hacer lo facil..siempre es lo menos adecuado...una ultima pregunta y no busco discutir.....¿si te pasa a ti que harias?
Yo me culpo por no ser cuidado. y no me fijaria en el forum para mostrar lo tonto que era ... i hope i wrote that right.
mi pregunta es que harias...y tu me as respondido que NO harias...t
Quote from: Torek [IF] on June 18, 2010, 03:21:47 PM
eheh i unsterstand allmost everything.
but i cannot talk spanish xDDD
lo traduco in italiano, se necessario, ma questo io non parlo bene, ma capisco italiano meglio di spanish
Quote from: GuRa on June 18, 2010, 02:39:58 PM
jailaa me gusta tu español jaja, lo hablas bien!Jajaja i dont break forum rules, why i must be banned here!:O
As i said before, its your fault, GM no must give items back=)
+1 lol he hacked your newbie pc not server database so bb
jaila estoy esperandote que harias si te pasara a ti....dime..
no me digas que NO harias...dime unicamente lo que harias tu
Quote from: Crube on June 18, 2010, 03:31:10 PM
jaila estoy esperandote que harias si te pasara a ti....dime..
no me digas que NO harias...dime unicamente lo que harias tu
nada, yo me doy cuenta de que soy tonto, i enviar un mensaje a GM y explicar lo que pasó y si puede volver mis items. si no puede, yo haria salir o hacer otro char, dependiendo de si yo todavia quiero jugar. pero esto no seria de mÃ
entonces si dices "si puede volver mis items"....porque buscas que no se los den a chiri??!??? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Chiri on June 17, 2010, 12:15:57 AM
I am the clan leader.
2 days ago my account got hacked and the hacker stole all my items and clan items (jewelry and Orfen AQ boss, TTs, set DC Robe, set DC Leather, full drops, weapons, adena ...).
We have sent pm to GMs (Descent, Torn, Protocol ..) and even Jail4 in game and we have not received a response. Do not plan to do anything about it?.
It seems that the GMs do not have time to give response to this problem, and whether to raise money Donator NPC.
If GMs do not give answer to this problem my Clan Desertores, +50 players on line, will leave the server, including Donator players.
Waiting for reply ...
Next time try to not use L2w ;P
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
por favor no te vayas !!!!!!!!!!!! por favor no te vayas, hay que reÃrse de usted más por ser "hacked"
torn descide si regresa cualquiera de los items, pero si era yo, no le darÃa nada
Me parece increible que todo lo sucedido te lo tomes a broma ... y tu eres un asistente del GM al que hay que respetar y tomar en serio? ... parece mas bien que eres amigo del Hacker y te ries de todo lo sucedido.
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
el GM no tiene que hacer nada. el server no fue hacked, se chiri que fue hacked porque él no sabe cómo usar una computador y descargas de fotos niceo con toros
Ya se esta demostrando que los GMs solo estan para recaudar dinero con las donaciones. Increible que con tal solo 1 mes de server ya hayan puesto donaciones por S-80 ... la proxima semana seguro que ponen donacion por joyeria Epic ... y la siguiente semana por weapon +16.
Animo a todos los Donator que hagan donaciones en un server que solo se preocupa por recaudar $ y no por solucionar problemas (Lag , Caidas continuas, Bugs , HACKERS ....)
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
descargas de fotos niceo con toros
jajaja ... me hace mucha gracia, eso es lo que haras tu y te piensas que todo el mundo hace lo mismo.
Es muy facil hablar por hablar y decir mierdas por la boca ... Yo tengo +30 años, estoy casado y no tengo necesidad de niceografia por internet.
Preocupate por tu "maravilloso server", como si éste fuera el unico server que hay en el mundo y deja de decir mierdas.
Quote from: jailaa on June 18, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
por favor no te vayas !!!!!!!!!!!! por favor no te vayas, hay que reÃrse de usted más por ser "hacked"
torn descide si regresa cualquiera de los items, pero si era yo, no le darÃa nada
Como mi inglés es tan malo como tu español, pero ambos entendemos bien los dos idiomas pues te voy a escribir en mi idioma natal.
En primer lugar, sé cual es tu función en el servidor, pero no sé realmente cual es tu función en el foro, tal vez... ¿Arreglar problemas, o jactarte de un problema que tiene un jugador del servidor para el que trabajas?
Para mi no eres un GM, asà que te llamaré X porque no mereces más. Por tanto, X, trabajas para este server, es decir, debes dar un ejemplo de saber estar y tener una mÃnima educación para llevar a cabo la tarea que llevas. In game no sé como será este trato, pero en el foro pareces un colegial hablando, siendo difÃcil distinguir si tienes 13 o 14 años.
X, ¿no crees que alimentar mas el problema lo único que crea es más problemas? ¿Por qué no intentas dar una solución al problema, en vez de postear absurdeces propias de un crio? Asà pues, está claro que nos harÃas un favor si no salieses de tu ámbito "Bad Users" y dejaras esto en manos de un GM, si es que queda algo de lógica entre ellos, por que es obvio, que como sean de tu estilo este server va a durar poco. Sin más, agradecer tu tiempo aunque dudo que tengas mucho más que hacer.
Saludos.
Quote from: darkcore on June 18, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
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Yeee, I saw the same on your post above... so sad ^^
Quote from: darkcore on June 18, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
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jajajajaja +1
Quote from: juM on June 18, 2010, 08:39:40 PM
Como mi inglés es tan malo como tu español, pero ambos entendemos bien los dos idiomas pues te voy a escribir en mi idioma natal.
En primer lugar, sé cual es tu función en el servidor, pero no sé realmente cual es tu función en el foro, tal vez... ¿Arreglar problemas, o jactarte de un problema que tiene un jugador del servidor para el que trabajas?
Para mi no eres un GM, asà que te llamaré X porque no mereces más. Por tanto, X, trabajas para este server, es decir, debes dar un ejemplo de saber estar y tener una mÃnima educación para llevar a cabo la tarea que llevas. In game no sé como será este trato, pero en el foro pareces un colegial hablando, siendo difÃcil distinguir si tienes 13 o 14 años.
X, ¿no crees que alimentar mas el problema lo único que crea es más problemas? ¿Por qué no intentas dar una solución al problema, en vez de postear absurdeces propias de un crio? Asà pues, está claro que nos harÃas un favor si no salieses de tu ámbito "Bad Users" y dejaras esto en manos de un GM, si es que queda algo de lógica entre ellos, por que es obvio, que como sean de tu estilo este server va a durar poco. Sin más, agradecer tu tiempo aunque dudo que tengas mucho más que hacer.
Saludos.
yo creo que aún chupa teta
Quote from: darkcore on June 18, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4&feature=related
Ah right... I can understand now why are you posting here................................ -.-". Quote my post, u need to get some extra posts...
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GMs should alaways consider what is the best for server! Imo the first priority is to keep players on server.
Im not getting any side, just looking current situation on server and... We do not need anyhing that actually make ppl leave server.
This server has not 3k or 5k players online, then u GMs should pay more attention how to keep here ur few players.
Sometimes ppl leave cause of GMs mystakes sometimes ppl leave cuz their own fails, what is important, is to keep YOUR server growing not to die.
Quote from: Venusia on June 18, 2010, 11:27:44 PM
GMs should alaways consider what is the best for server! Imo the first priority is to keep players on server.
Im not getting any side, just looking current situation on server and... We do not need anyhing that actually make ppl leave server.
This server has not 3k or 5k players online, then u GMs should pay more attention how to keep here ur few players.
Sometimes ppl leave cause of GMs mystakes sometimes ppl leave cuz their own fails, what is important, is to keep YOUR server growing not to die.
+1
Being a clan leader has high responsibility as you have full access to clan warehouse and all clan privileges. He/She took the risk in downloading 3rd party application so he should accept any consequences that may carry with it and based on that I am totally against returning the items back however I believe Torn has already come to an agreement with Chiri so case closed.