Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude, but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude, but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
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I agree, nerf erase plox ^^
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude, but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%
Quote from: NIORI on June 04, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%
lol damn failed!!! 10%?
i ll tell u my experience as necro at oly is smth like 70%++ sucess rate
...maybe i am unlucky :P
Quote from: NIORI on June 04, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%
u r the only one that feels that way....erase is sick....mby increase in delay of attack augments too.... some annoying chars makes olympiads useless for normal ppl....
olyfarmers dont like erase) lol u rox guys)
Quote from: TrackZero on June 04, 2009, 03:45:17 PM
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS
Well imo if reuse is nerfed, this may solve olympiad's sumoners problems, may add some sps/es, sorc/wk etc that are atm absolutly away from olympiad ( because there you have time to resumon, it would be worth it) they wouldn't turn into farmers ofc, far from it, but they would fight with their sub.
Now, in PvP, once your pet is erased, you've got no time to summon another one (at least in most of full buffed pvps sumon pet = 3 sec = 2 mcrit = to village) for mages, and for fighters subed sumoners (or mere DA), once your pet is erased in pvp you don't even dare to think about sumoning another one xD.
The point is, with this 70% sucess rate, 1 erase is often enough to completely kick the subclass of, at least, wariors/sumoners.
Therefore, i would suggest a land rate nerf as well as a reuse nerf
(something like 40 -50 % land rate but not 60 - 70 %)
Quote from: Chaplin on June 04, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
olyfarmers dont like erase) lol u rox guys)
Oly isn't the point.
This wouldn't matter to me btw, since in oly, as outside oly, you need mana to erase right? aye, therefore i don't care about this nerf concerning layme.
Quote from: TrackZero on June 04, 2009, 03:45:17 PM
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS
Mana burn too....
Agree.... summons are weak enough as it is, and erase land rate is to high.
I can agree with nerfing erase if u do the same with augm.
Welcome to the other side when someone pown u coz of insane overpowerd skills.
anyway there are much more skills to be nerfed not just erase.
p.s. I still hate u and still hope someone will remove ur augm. :D
Agree with the nub.
but... mind that when IL came, all 3rd class summons got rly dably nerfed, mainly when we talk about their m.def and p.def. Now in HB NCsoft fixed their initial "overpoweredness" by some other nerfs, like pony stun (whiplash) reuse time which is freaking big now.
That was like the only advantage the new summons had. they should be the best summons for each summoner, yet they are 1-2 shot even in oly for some classes... i won't even talk about mass pvp with fully buffed enemies.
So, nerf erase or remove IL nerfs on 3rd class summons please (Magnus, Spectral Lord, King)
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude, but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
Quote from: kuko on June 04, 2009, 08:12:12 PM
Welcome to the other side when someone pown u coz of insane overpowerd skills.
anyway there are much more skills to be nerfed not just erase.
p.s. I still hate u and still hope someone will remove ur augm. :D
Wrong, undefeated except lethal i shall never enter your side .i.
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
Wrong, undefeated except lethal i shall never enter your side .i.
I wanna see u IF track really remove augm at oly
Quote from: kuko on June 04, 2009, 10:48:30 PM
I wanna see u IF track really remove augm at oly
Well dude stop bringing it to me, seems like you really bear a grudge, it's both fun and annoying.
Remove aug, allright, then what? then the only class i lose to sws ee which are lucky me currently friends of mine are not farming me, this class wont exist anymore, then i will just prevail more than before.
Mana burn augment is shit, it uses more mp than ur normal skill and removes less mp, its something like 109 mp costs, 129 mp drains, sometimes it crits that's true, but sometimes it fails also, i am using it because it makes me win the fight faster.
so yeah remove augments, none of my concerns
true.. little OP the erase should be like 50% land and same reuse is ok :/ and true if that the skill that pwn u at oly (cuz in mass pvp u need to get really close to ur enemy to do erase in siege imposible make erase cuz like 100 will target u b4 u reach the summon...) then the reuse of auguments should be more too =)
Enable potions back into olympiad :D
Nerf mana burn ;D
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
Well dude stop bringing it to me, seems like you really bear a grudge, it's both fun and annoying.
Remove aug, allright, then what? then the only class i lose to sws ee which are lucky me currently friends of mine are not farming me, this class wont exist anymore, then i will just prevail more than before.
Mana burn augment is shit, it uses more mp than ur normal skill and removes less mp, its something like 109 mp costs, 129 mp drains, sometimes it crits that's true, but sometimes it fails also, i am using it because it makes me win the fight faster.
so yeah remove augments, none of my concerns
I don't have problem with any skill(anymore).Board of that and i saw nothing can be changed.There always will be overpowerd ppl.
I just want to be non-playable for u.
Cheers
Quote from: kuko on June 04, 2009, 11:51:38 PM
There always will be overpowerd ppl.
thats true, but now there are some so OE classes as were never before :D
Quote from: NIORI on June 04, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%
Do you know how it feels to be vortexed? it feels like having 50 speed and no mp regen, yes! because of the lower speed and the drain mp of the vortex's effect !
During this time, you may start a heal and do not see its effect, what hapened?!!!
Well, considering major heal needed 80 mp, you reached 80 mp for like 1 sec, you were spaming major heal so the heal started, but while you were doing it vortex's effect just fking drained 13 mp out of you, and you end up with no HP regened ! life is unfair !
well, this is what happens while we play at oly, you start erase and i always end up mana burning your erase, why? because luckily my reuse of normal skill mana burn is just the same as your reuse of erase : 3 sec (just a little less as your reuse of erase actually), (w/o agility).
Therefore, while you obviously believe you are unlucky or merely that erase's land rate is 10%, it just means that i fail at mana burning 10% (ok, 13%) of your erase !
yeah, well, I or whoever is your opponent :P
Quote from: Titan1 on June 04, 2009, 11:24:12 PM
true.. little OP the erase should be like 50% land and same reuse is ok :/ and true if that the skill that pwn u at oly (cuz in mass pvp u need to get really close to ur enemy to do erase in siege imposible make erase cuz like 100 will target u b4 u reach the summon...) then the reuse of auguments should be more too =)
This ill be my last post, once again i only play olympiad atm, i do play a ee es, but i assure you that i lose versus no mage at all, i get no real advantage atm of a erase nerf, but definetely, summoners are quite useless atm, at least it's only 20% of the sub that is being used, all the more at PvPs where being sumoner is actually only for the sumon's buff.
To make warior/sumoners and DA worth something, i would actually go for a either :
x5 reuse time
/4 land rate
/4 instead of /5 because if you decrease the land rate, the opponent ill try the erases, fail them and lose MP on it.
Tho i really suggest /4 land rate instead of nerfing reuse because only 1 erase is needed to kick the sumon at PvPs, where you can't resumon after.
Tbh, concerning DA, the only advantage is the pet, its cancel is nerfed as hell : TOD is pure sh1t, kinda never worth it, it has no AI, less shield power than PAL, well, i guess making panters just untouchable through erase wouldn't be that bad after all.
at mana burn, i heard some rumor according to what it would be nerfed, to 30 sec or so, and disable its magic crit, well, this would means every mage losing every fighter, worst again it would mean that the last reason of being bd se is gone, i guess it was just draks spreading bs but who knows
Quote from: our4n0s on June 05, 2009, 12:17:57 AM
at mana burn, i heard some rumor according to what it would be nerfed, to 30 sec or so, and disable its magic crit, well, this would means every mage losing every fighter, worst again it would mean that the last reason of being bd se is gone, i guess it was just draks spreading bs but who knows
Actually i hope it will be like that since mana burns for 2k mp is retarded when the chance is like 1/3 or more. Also fights at oly used to be interesting to watch atleast for me in c4 also in the begining of IL, now its pure shit with the mana burning mage fights lol
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
Mana burn augment is shit, it uses more mp than ur normal skill and removes less mp, its something like 109 mp costs, 129 mp drains, sometimes it crits that's true, but sometimes it fails also, i am using it because it makes me win the fight faster.
so yeah remove augments, none of my concerns
thats a big fat lie right there, ask any 1 that fights against ur char, the mp lasts 15 secs tops....its just like agil....or any other mana burner whore....
remove attack/mana burn type of augments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
increase the reuse of mana burn 5sec :D full buffed and no m crit of mana burn =)
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 05, 2009, 02:22:29 AM
thats a big fat lie right there, ask any 1 that fights against ur char, the mp lasts 15 secs tops....its just like agil....or any other mana burner whore....
remove attack/mana burn type of augments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sure .. remove lethal from dagger skills too and nerf turnign spell coz its annoying and i cant target th normally and nerf zealot from ty/wc and ty / ol and remove enchant time on zealot coz it can be for 3 min now and btw nerf any class that wins me in oly because its not fair i lose and they win
thanks
Bottom line:
Nerf mana burn
Nerf Erase
Remove initial nerf on 3rd class summons
;D
Quote from: Diabolical on June 05, 2009, 03:35:54 AM
sure .. remove lethal from dagger skills too and nerf turnign spell coz its annoying and i cant target th normally and nerf zealot from ty/wc and ty / ol and remove enchant time on zealot coz it can be for 3 min now and btw nerf any class that wins me in oly because its not fair i lose and they win
thanks
zealot +9=1 min
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on June 05, 2009, 01:14:49 AM
Actually i hope it will be like that since mana burns for 2k mp is retarded when the chance is like 1/3 or more. Also fights at oly used to be interesting to watch atleast for me in c4 also in the begining of IL, now its pure shit with the mana burning mage fights lol
Thing is, you are tk/sps, you rule archers, you aren't mean to rule mages as well, i would agree to the fact that a sps ee kicks your leet butt ! and his advantages are only the heal which remains less mp cost / better power than yours (yet you have tol) and the mana burn.
+ at oly, nerfing that bad mana burn would make daggers empty their mana on blows, atm a th pp lethals me 33% of fights, as cristan said i get all his mana out in 30 sec (dunno what he said actually but lets consider this !), nerf mana burn this way, they ll all empty their mana on us, we ll get 1 lethal per fight !
At mages vs mages mana burn is the only way i win vs sps ee, yet i am close of the defeat, wouldn't mind that it gets nerfed though, i wouldn't mind it concerning mages vs mages fights.
So, nerf lethal rate as bad as you nerf mana burn, then they may win through skills and not some dumb sh1t that luckily gets badly nerfed at gracia ! yeah ! QQ !
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 05, 2009, 03:46:13 AM
Bottom line:
Nerf mana burn
Nerf Erase
Remove initial nerf on 3rd class summons
;D
couldn't agree more as far as lethal nerf follows 8)
Quote from: tzuc on June 05, 2009, 09:24:46 AM
so in your opinion only way dagger should win against you is lucky lethal :)
Dunno who you're talking to, but in my opinion only way Daggers currently win vs me is lethal, which is sh1T with its current rate
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 05, 2009, 02:22:29 AM
thats a big fat lie right there, ask any 1 that fights against ur char, the mp lasts 15 secs tops....its just like agil....or any other mana burner whore....
remove attack/mana burn type of augments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mana is out fast, just like with agil, agil lacks augment mana burn though, which means you made my point, mana burn aug is quite shitty, you even do not see the difference between someone with this mana burn aug and someone with only the normal skill mana burn, thank you <3.
Now may i remind you nerfing a skill only for us, 2 players among olympiad ( because we have insane reuse on mana burn : rene from uni here, with agility, renewal for agil, with meditation), means you are pretty much ending the chances of every pp/sorc, pp/ne, sps/ee (btw find me any sps ee wining would it be just 1 fight vs drakslord or some other good th pp) against a good th? but what if we just win, he is sws ee, he s meant to be either support either olympiad char, i am ee/es, can't do much more than oly tbh, the point is we are oly chars and the fact we are kinda ruling oly is normal, at least normal compared to other mages combos.
Now if we rule most of fighters oly whores too it is due to acu + emp lvl 3 from npc, which seems actually dumb but we re on stackable subs..
allright since i am gone at holidays this is definetely my last post ::)
So :
_erase reuse x3
_erase land rate /2 (this ways it influes in pvp as well)
_mana burn reuse x3
_lethal land rate /2 or /3 (or just let it this way but decrease its effect like in gracia : make it drops the HP to 1k)
_Remove the nerfs WindPenis is mentioning concerning pets
(_Make panther just untouchable through erase
_Boost DA's tod )
And welcome back th/wk, sps/es, sorc/wk, glad/pp sorc/pp at oly, leaving a (still small) interest for DA rather than PAL, and some sence at playing th/wk or He/wk at pvp beside cat's buff !
so in your opinion only way dagger should win against you is lucky lethal :)
up
Quote from: our4n0s on June 05, 2009, 09:15:56 AM
So :
_erase reuse x3
_erase land rate /2 (this ways it influes in pvp as well)
_mana burn reuse x3
_lethal land rate /2 or /3
(_Make panther just untouchable through erase
_Boost DA's tod )
And welcome back th/wk, sps/es, sorc/wk, glad/pp sorc/pp at oly, leaving a (still small) interest for DA rather than PAL, and some sence at playing th/wk or He/wk at pvp beside cat's buff !
/100% agree with that part
but I still hate u
lethal land rate /2 /3 will cripple daggers in outer oly pvp. their melee classes that most of the times (depending on sub) will die after they go into the middle of enemy for a healer or w/e. and you're mostly thinking of TH here who has dash ... but aw/pw ... will get really raped by that change since they need to get close to target to be able to stay close with blinding.
so no no on the lethal change, maybe a oly buff to reduce lethal chance in OLY alone.
Quote from: tzuc on June 05, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
so no no on the lethal change, maybe a oly buff to reduce lethal chance in OLY alone.
thats a good idea
I dont really give a shit about oly, but fact is that last week with my bishop/necro EVERY erase landed on first try in like 10 fights witch is kinda making summoner classes useless. But i didnt notice lots of lethals..
My point is just that mana burn is retarded when it can crit with a 30% or 40% chance for 2k mana.
Anyways oly is too much freaked up already, there are 2-3 classes dominating everything and there is no way Drake will make it more balanced so i dont really care whatever will happen with oly.
Thnx ins xD
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on June 05, 2009, 12:04:20 PM
I dont really give a shit about oly, but fact is that last week with my bishop/necro EVERY erase landed on first try in like 10 fights witch is kinda making summoner classes useless. But i didnt notice lots of lethals..
My point is just that erase is retarded when it can crit with a 30% or 40% chance for 2k mana.
Anyways oly is too much freaked up already, there are 2-3 classes dominating everything and there is no way Drake will make it more balanced so i dont really care whatever will happen with oly.
mana burn, you newp ;x
and anyway, @kuko - ur finally freaking hero, personally dont know how but i dont give a flyin freak either, why are u cryin for the augs again? Id rather ask track to make refresh or other augs usable. He wanted to make the nukers not able to spam their augments but theyre still able to do that, while after the nerf refresh augs or other trigger stuff is just useless because of its awaiting and reuse time.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on June 05, 2009, 12:04:20 PM
Anyways oly is too much freaked up already, there are 2-3 classes dominating everything and there is no way Drake will make it more balanced so i dont really care whatever will happen with oly.
Iam still w8 for some Archers on Oly ... Me and My friend (pr/bd too) make around 40 fights in this month and i meet only 1 Archer. But i undertsand some dependence... If you are pp/wk or closerange fighter you can get fun only in Oly. I dont remeber it was in HB but i check some other severs and i was in some Underground Coliseum with Team Vs Team system and iam wandering about implenet this to NM coz this can bring lots of oportunites ....
Quote from: Shreed on June 05, 2009, 12:32:30 PM
Iam still w8 for some Archers on Oly ... Me and My friend (pr/bd too) make around 40 fights in this month and i meet only 1 Archer. But i undertsand some dependence... If you are pp/wk or closerange fighter you can get fun only in Oly. I dont remeber it was in HB but i check some other severs and i was in some Underground Coliseum with Team Vs Team system and iam wandering about implenet this to NM coz this can bring lots of oportunites ....
Yeah underground coliseum please! The only ppl going to normal coliseum or arenas now, is me on selfbuff.... and some random fag with 8 buffbots on his back.
You are all talking too much,
JUST nerf erase + mana burn and dont analyse everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Mohit0 on June 05, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
You are all talking too much,
JUST nerf erase + mana burn and dont analyse everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
nerf mage bane / death spike/ silence plx :<
Quote from: Ozukyz on June 05, 2009, 02:22:42 PM
nerf mage bane / death spike/ silence plx :<
u forgot curse of doom ::)
Quote from: Shreed on June 05, 2009, 12:32:30 PM
Iam still w8 for some Archers on Oly ...
yeah me too ;D
Quote from: kuko on June 05, 2009, 07:13:39 AM
zealot +9=1 min
lol when u read the buff time on a buff .. lets say when u see it 1 min that means its between 2 min and 1 min ... that doesn't mean its 1 min and dont bullshit us plz .. i watched ur zealot .. its 2 min +
Quote from: Diabolical on June 05, 2009, 03:35:54 AM
sure .. remove lethal from dagger skills too and nerf turnign spell coz its annoying and i cant target th normally and nerf zealot from ty/wc and ty / ol and remove enchant time on zealot coz it can be for 3 min now and btw nerf any class that wins me in oly because its not fair i lose and they win
thanks
thats what i freaking mean rebel, and then u pm me asking "what did i do?, what do u acuse me off?" gtfo!
u r the same as the other guy.... freaking annoying and always keeping whats good for u, so others dont get a chance...
back to topic, or mby a buff like resistance to mana burn....or smth like that....
u know what ...u alll suck :D
Quote from: Diabolical on June 05, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
lol when u read the buff time on a buff .. lets say when u see it 1 min that means its between 2 min and 1 min ... that doesn't mean its 1 min and dont bullshit us plz .. i watched ur zealot .. its 2 min +
Zealot +time ain't working yet.. He probably got double skill.
Nerf mana burn and erase, like altheo said, and give us (summoners) back old 3rd class summons, from IL beggining.
Save the D0rfs
Save the Drains
Save the Summons
;D
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 05, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
thats what i freaking mean rebel, and then u pm me asking "what did i do?, what do u acuse me off?" gtfo!
u r the same as the other guy.... freaking annoying and always keeping whats good for u, so others dont get a chance...
How ironic .. dont u need the best for urself as well now ?? or u doing this because its favor to mankind . lol
Thanks track for doubling reuse time of erase , I think now it's balanced , now time for mana burn and oly agumentation removing .
making mana burn out of criticals would be fair to double reuse time too .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on June 08, 2009, 10:08:37 AM
Thanks track for doubling reuse time of erase , I think now it's balanced , now time for mana burn and oly agumentation removing .
making mana burn out of criticals would be fair to double reuse time too .
First of all, erase's nerf is nothing, noone cares about 1 sec reuse or 2 sec reuse, better /2 the land rate of erase, this would have some sence since it's always annoying to switch target between players and pet but, keeping 70% rate with just the reuse x2 only is absolutly nothing, it doesn't matter at both PvP and oly.
Concerning mana burn, it got nerfed at the same time as erase, you are posting there saying it needs a nerf cause you can't even understand the kind of nerf it suffered, it is nerfed in the landing rate retard, the freaking landing rate, which means 'Attack Failed' 50% of the time you try mana burn, it's worse than reuse x2 btw, why? because we waste mana on it.
And Mana burn mcrit rate has been lowered, its like /2mcrit rate.
So, next time, before you start a river you better check what has been done.
About oly augments removing, well it makes me laugh, go do it, kazimira and i will still roll your ass, because NM is actually filled with ppl that still, after 4 years of playing this game, don't understand anything about l2. Fact is removing augments won't change a sh1t, i ll be laughing when you finally notice it.
Oh sws/ee would be over, but this is not the current farmer, and we will find lucif another char to keep rolling.
With some compassion, wishing you to keep owning yourself everytime a slice more
Quote from: Neozinhu on June 05, 2009, 05:54:05 PM
Save the D0rfs
Save the Drains
Save the Summons
;D
+1
Quote from: S1x on June 08, 2009, 12:10:43 PM
Atm i have only problems with ee/sws , tk/ee ( soon this problem will be removered ) , with summoners like u or kazi dont have much problems , erase....and bb ( soon Track will be fix new daggers so will be great , and what about mana burn ?? landing more and attack can be failed ) i need only a little lucky with erase at start and fight is end .
I can't understand your confidence that CD will make THE CHANGE. On a target with more than 1000 pdef difference will be a bit more than 100 dmg in skills and about 50-60 in simple hits with dynasty dagger.
Quote from: S1x on June 08, 2009, 12:10:43 PM
Atm i have only problems with ee/sws , tk/ee ( soon this problem will be removered ) , with summoners like u or kazi dont have much problems , erase....and bb ( soon Track will be fix new daggers so will be great , and what about mana burn ?? landing more and attack can be failed ) i need only a little lucky with erase at start and fight is end .
why would you have problems with sws ee and not with me? i got less pdef but a much better heal due to much better c speed, and i have the same reuse on skills, oh wait ! i have a pet regening my mana too, and since you don't know how to fight a sumoner it is pretty easy for me to regen my mana.
You need luck with lethal not luck with erase lol.
Ah and not many problems? do I have to remind you you re spaming pms to me everytime to know when i log in so you know when to stop olympiad by fear to meet me inside? yeah this is pretty much pathetic, dare to say i lied and i ll post the countless screens i have, like the one, 3 days old, where you say you camp me more than agil which is the sws ee?
yeah, better stfu
Quote from: our4n0s on June 08, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
why would you have problems with sws ee and not with me? i got less pdef but a much better heal due to much better c speed, and i have the same reuse on skills, oh wait ! i have a pet regening my mana too, and since you don't know how to fight a sumoner it is pretty easy for me to regen my mana.
You need luck with lethal not luck with erase lol.
Ah and not many problems? do I have to remind you you re spaming pms to me everytime to know when i log in so you know when to stop olympiad by fear to meet me inside? yeah this is pretty much pathetic, dare to say i lied and i ll post the countless screens i have, like the one, 3 days old, where you say you camp me more than agil which is the sws ee?
yeah, better stfu
ouch
I have 1 motherfreaking perfect solution for this server - disable oly.
Amen.
NERF ERASE RATE!!!!!
erase nerfed mana burn nerfed it s good to be a sorcerer atm
maybe next time we will loose prominence and vortex
Quote from: sebastienfr on June 08, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
erase nerfed mana burn nerfed it s good to be a sorcerer atm
maybe next time we will loose prominence and vortex
Well you ll lose the stacking vortexs for sure :D
well Erase doesnt really matters 2 me :P cause Mhmm lets see i dont have any summon . xD :P But fak . Mages r suposed to be balanced vs. faking fighters if track keep this shit up . there will be no mages IG left . pff
Quote from: Proku on June 09, 2009, 02:30:38 AM
well Erase doesnt really matters 2 me :P cause Mhmm lets see i dont have any summon . xD :P But fak . Mages r suposed to be balanced vs. faking fighters if track keep this shit up . there will be no mages IG left . pff
i'll always stay mage for 1 thing for sure:
mages have lots of skills to use, fighters got way less.
today@ enchanted megaliths i was alone with GummyBears (pr/ol) and i was using surrender to water, hydroblast, ice vortex, frost bolt, throne of ice, mass surrender to water, diamond dust, weakness, wind shackle, servitor heal, servitor recharge, battle heal, Boxer's MP recharge, sleeping cloud, fear
and that on almost each attack on 2-3 mobs.
The archer i was with used attack, hamstring (or w/e is their slowing hit called), chant of life and drain from time to time. and that's even better than most archers which are f1f1f1f1f1 bots, while mages use ~10 or more skills currently
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 03:55:52 AM
i'll always stay mage for 1 thing for sure:
mages have lots of skills to use, fighters got way less.
today@ enchanted megaliths i was alone with GummyBears (pr/ol) and i was using surrender to water, hydroblast, ice vortex, frost bolt, throne of ice, mass surrender to water, diamond dust, weakness, wind shackle, servitor heal, servitor recharge, battle heal, Boxer's MP recharge, sleeping cloud, fear
and that on almost each attack on 2-3 mobs.
The archer i was with used attack, hamstring (or w/e is their slowing hit called), chant of life and drain from time to time. and that's even better than most archers which are f1f1f1f1f1 bots, while mages use ~10 or more skills currently
daggers/glads/orcs doesnt count, i know u might say that they r f1 chars aswell, but they use 5+ skills to play.... and a regular sps uses kinda the same: surrender+cancel+vortex+blast....and if it is a trance whore then +trance....
there u go
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 09, 2009, 04:50:46 AM
daggers/glads/orcs doesnt count, i know u might say that they r f1 chars aswell, but they use 5+ skills to play.... and a regular sps uses kinda the same: surrender+cancel+vortex+blast....and if it is a trance whore then +trance....
there u go
well, i was speaking about archers :P i know daggers for example use medium if not many skills
Quote from: our4n0s on June 08, 2009, 11:53:33 AM
First of all, erase's nerf is nothing, noone cares about 1 sec reuse or 2 sec reuse, better /2 the land rate of erase, this would have some sence since it's always annoying to switch target between players and pet but, keeping 70% rate with just the reuse x2 only is absolutly nothing, it doesn't matter at both PvP and oly.
Concerning mana burn, it got nerfed at the same time as erase, you are posting there saying it needs a nerf cause you can't even understand the kind of nerf it suffered, it is nerfed in the landing rate retard, the freaking landing rate, which means 'Attack Failed' 50% of the time you try mana burn, it's worse than reuse x2 btw, why? because we waste mana on it.
And Mana burn mcrit rate has been lowered, its like /2mcrit rate.
So, next time, before you start a river you better check what has been done.
About oly augments removing, well it makes me laugh, go do it, kazimira and i will still roll your ass, because NM is actually filled with ppl that still, after 4 years of playing this game, don't understand anything about l2. Fact is removing augments won't change a sh1t, i ll be laughing when you finally notice it.
Oh sws/ee would be over, but this is not the current farmer, and we will find lucif another char to keep rolling.
With some compassion, wishing you to keep owning yourself everytime a slice more
Removing agumentation skills and buffs ( passive and active ) is priority as we all touched that , olympiad games became so boring even to be observed since ends are already known , I didn't mean specific person by removing his agumentation . thats my opinion which I think most of nm players agree with me , avoting topic about removing agumentation from oly would be fair enough to prove that our community is not comfortable with that .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on June 09, 2009, 05:14:15 PM
Removing agumentation skills and buffs ( passive and active ) is priority as we all touched that , olympiad games became so boring even to be observed since ends are already known , I didn't mean specific person by removing his agumentation . thats my opinion which I think most of nm players agree with me , avoting topic about removing agumentation from oly would be fair enough to prove that our community is not comfortable with that .
removing augments .. wont help u or others or wont change anything inside oly .. only ppl would get affected .. is one SWS/EE and one TK/EE .. laymedown and kazimira would still rape the shit out of all of u , u wont get a better chance at oly when augments is gone .. and noone else .. everything staying the same..i dont get it why ppl cry too much for augments .. with or withotu it .. u still lose to 95% of ur fights
i dont talk about u only i mean in general .. just some ppl cant stand the fact that there r some classes or combos that better than them so they will keep crying rivers to nerf them
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 03:55:52 AM
i'll always stay mage for 1 thing for sure:
mages have lots of skills to use, fighters got way less.
today@ enchanted megaliths i was alone with GummyBears (pr/ol) and i was using surrender to water, hydroblast, ice vortex, frost bolt, throne of ice, mass surrender to water, diamond dust, weakness, wind shackle, servitor heal, servitor recharge, battle heal, Boxer's MP recharge, sleeping cloud, fear
and that on almost each attack on 2-3 mobs.
The archer i was with used attack, hamstring (or w/e is their slowing hit called), chant of life and drain from time to time. and that's even better than most archers which are f1f1f1f1f1 bots, while mages use ~10 or more skills currently
try playing aw/bd against all these freaking overpowered mutants and shit!!! :P
i use ALL my skills with aw/bd and se/sk. if you don't you get raped even harder than i do now with my shitty gears :P
Quote from: Diabolical on June 09, 2009, 05:57:28 PM
removing augments .. wont help u or others or wont change anything inside oly .. only ppl would get affected .. is one SWS/EE and one TK/EE .. laymedown and kazimira would still rape the shit out of all of u , u wont get a better chance at oly when augments is gone .. and noone else .. everything staying the same..i dont get it why ppl cry too much for augments .. with or withotu it .. u still lose to 95% of ur fights
i dont talk about u only i mean in general .. just some ppl cant stand the fact that there r some classes or combos that better than them so they will keep crying rivers to nerf them
lol, still a regular mage have a lil chance against a es/ee or a pp/wk.... and a good played warrior/buff can too..... but u gotta agree that when some1 stands against agil on olys, the only chars that have a bit of chance was a th...with an instant kill, and even with that agil can heal fast enough to sorvive some of those instans.....
so, stop that pro shit, cos now olys will be more fun, and i thouhgt u now started to work, so u wont be all days(HAHAHAHA) plus the time with ur gf(HAHAHA x2), so the only one to care about will be kazimira......let the fun start imo
Quote from: Saorin on June 09, 2009, 06:09:24 PM
try playing aw/bd against all these freaking overpowered mutants and shit!!! :P
i use ALL my skills with aw/bd and se/sk. if you don't you get raped even harder than i do now with my shitty gears :P
if u dont like yr char then
start new char and stop cry :o
Quote from: Diabolical on June 09, 2009, 05:57:28 PM
removing augments .. wont help u or others or wont change anything inside oly .. only ppl would get affected .. is one SWS/EE and one TK/EE .. laymedown and kazimira would still rape the shit out of all of u , u wont get a better chance at oly when augments is gone .. and noone else .. everything staying the same..i dont get it why ppl cry too much for augments .. with or withotu it .. u still lose to 95% of ur fights
i dont talk about u only i mean in general .. just some ppl cant stand the fact that there r some classes or combos that better than them so they will keep crying rivers to nerf them
lol, you're funny. one sps/ee has only to land a lucky erase on laymedown's unicorn and then stay close to spam aura flash if Laymedown tries to resummon.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
lol, you're funny. one sps/ee has only to land a lucky erase on laymedown's unicorn and then stay close to spam aura flash if Laymedown tries to resummon.
laymedown or kazimira would win u easily wind .. please dont start giving me teh crap about how pro u r .. even my bd / ps could kill u
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 09, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
lol, still a regular mage have a lil chance against a es/ee or a pp/wk.... and a good played warrior/buff can too..... but u gotta agree that when some1 stands against agil on olys, the only chars that have a bit of chance was a th...with an instant kill, and even with that agil can heal fast enough to sorvive some of those instans.....
thats funny .. olympiad is not fun anymore because of 1 person ? and no .. no th/pp or orc/wc or ol managed to kill laymedown or kazimira even before olympiad .. there r exceptions of course but the chance to win them with fighter / mage is pretty low ..
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 09, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
so, stop that pro shit, cos now olys will be more fun, and i thouhgt u now started to work, so u wont be all days(HAHAHAHA) plus the time with ur gf(HAHAHA x2), so the only one to care about will be kazimira......let the fun start imo
r u trying to flame me or what .. coz thats ended up with big failure , or u just cant believe it i have work and gf and im still able to play oly ? .. need advices on how to organize ur day ?
let me know
Quote from: Diabolical on June 09, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
laymedown or kazimira would win u easily wind .. please dont start giving me teh crap about how pro u r .. even my bd / ps could kill u
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
lol, you're funny. one sps/ee has only to land a lucky erase on laymedown's unicorn and then stay close to spam aura flash if Laymedown tries to resummon.
the point is not how pro or not i am lol, learn to READ :)
The point is how easy any class with erase can win against a healer/summoner w/o augment. erase + switch skill (aura flash) if he tries to resummon.
can your brain comprehand that or you'll reply again with how much you pwn me? <3
NERF ERASE
1 more day at oly and 6/7 erase succeed
whats the point of summons then OMFG?
Quote from: Mohit0 on June 09, 2009, 10:05:45 PM
NERF ERASE
1 more day at oly and 6/7 erase succeed
whats the point of summons then OMFG?
quick question
you resummon after you get summon erased? i won fights with 3 resummoning of 3 different unicorns :)) i dunno what is the reuse of erase now....
just get your summons on bar for quick resummon.
Quote from: Diabolical on June 09, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
laymedown or kazimira would win u easily wind .. please dont start giving me teh crap about how pro u r .. even my bd / ps could kill u
thats funny .. olympiad is not fun anymore because of 1 person ? and no .. no th/pp or orc/wc or ol managed to kill laymedown or kazimira even before olympiad .. there r exceptions of course but the chance to win them with fighter / mage is pretty low ..
r u trying to flame me or what .. coz thats ended up with big failure , or u just cant believe it i have work and gf and im still able to play oly ? .. need advices on how to organize ur day ?
let me know
i actually confused u with altheo xDDDD
dont need another hater on my list...
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 10:16:16 PM
quick question
you resummon after you get summon erased? i won fights with 3 resummoning of 3 different unicorns :)) i dunno what is the reuse of erase now....
just get your summons on bar for quick resummon.
no brain no pain
resummon a cursed man ...
gf
Quote from: Mohit0 on June 09, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
no brain no pain
resummon a cursed man ...
gf
wtb elpys at oly
noob :D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 10:16:16 PM
quick question
you resummon after you get summon erased? i won fights with 3 resummoning of 3 different unicorns :)) i dunno what is the reuse of erase now....
just get your summons on bar for quick resummon.
Necros need a dead body of a mob to be able to resummon ;)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 09:47:36 PM
the point is not how pro or not i am lol, learn to READ :)
The point is how easy any class with erase can win against a healer/summoner w/o augment. erase + switch skill (aura flash) if he tries to resummon.
can your brain comprehand that or you'll reply again with how much you pwn me? <3
dude u r really wrong .. drakslord which is best current th/ pp in game lose always to laymedown even before laymedown get mana burn augment .. ask him urself .. iarhangell and the 2 couple ty / ol failed to kill laymedown as hell .. same goes for kazimira .. he always wins daggers or orcs .. pp / wk or ee / es wont have hard time to resummon .. first of all . pp has resists to whatever ur class is .. so ur damage on him will be weak and with mage bane u lost ur empower and acumen .. so no as a mage u will never kill him ,same for fighters no ww and haste .. u r gone
for laymedown .. nothing faster than his normal mana burn especially on agility + heals from ee .. show me one match please where anyoen could stop them both from summoning
in case u cant realise .. i play oly way more than u and i watch fights for so many ppl .. i know how oly goes especially for both of them
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on June 09, 2009, 10:35:48 PM
Necros need a dead body of a mob to be able to resummon ;)
luci did an amazing shit once. i mean, is not amazing, but i never thought of it.
i kiled his +14 summon in oly on arcane agility while he was on whiplash effect and he resummoned from the corpse of his own summon. i was like wtf, another one? ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
luci did an amazing shit once. i mean, is not amazing, but i never thought of it.
i kiled his +14 summon in oly on arcane agility while he was on whiplash effect and he resummoned from the corpse of his own summon. i was like wtf, another one? ;D
I have tried that...... was pretty sure that was impossible... Or did i do something wrong?
Quote from: kidicarus on June 09, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
I have tried that...... was pretty sure that was impossible... Or did i do something wrong?
true...i tried it in retail also...wasn't possible summon one cursed using ur own summon
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
luci did an amazing shit once. i mean, is not amazing, but i never thought of it.
i kiled his +14 summon in oly on arcane agility while he was on whiplash effect and he resummoned from the corpse of his own summon. i was like wtf, another one? ;D
He resumoned it from your summon not his own..
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on June 09, 2009, 11:57:48 PM
He resumoned it from your summon not his own..
dunno it happened fast. i killed his summon and he summoned another cursed from his own body (90% sure, i have good memory... yet maybe i wasnt paying attention and he did it from my pony.. cant be sure)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 01:35:32 AM
dunno it happened fast. i killed his summon and he summoned another cursed from his own body (90% sure, i have good memory... yet maybe i wasnt paying attention and he did it from my pony.. cant be sure)
ofc it was from pony if u r not sure...
mby he tooked a part of ur own rib and summon it from there =x
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 01:35:32 AM
dunno it happened fast. i killed his summon and he summoned another cursed from his own body (90% sure, i have good memory... yet maybe i wasnt paying attention and he did it from my pony.. cant be sure)
Bet you were stoned!
Quote from: Mohit0 on June 08, 2009, 01:29:17 PM
NERF ERASE RATE!!!!!
FIRST NERF SILENCE!!! LOOL ::)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 09, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
lol, you're funny. one sps/ee has only to land a lucky erase on laymedown's unicorn and then stay close to spam aura flash if Laymedown tries to resummon.
bs
I started oly at HB, lost a couple fight to sps ee.
I changed setup, basing everyfight on some sps/ee as opponent.
Never lost since then, everything has been tryed, aura would be a big failure.
Quote from: our4n0s on June 10, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
bs
I started oly at HB, lost a couple fight to sps ee.
I changed setup, basing everyfight on some sps/ee as opponent.
Never lost since then, everything has been tryed, aura would be a big failure.
they just dont know how to do it.
1. kill/erase pet
2. slow/entangle/warrior bane you
3. spam aura bolt (to keep low range) + aura flash if you summon.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
they just dont know how to do it.
1. kill/erase pet
2. slow/entangle/warrior bane you
3. spam aura bolt (to keep low range) + aura flash if you summon.
So wrong, such a strategy would 100% fail
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 12:02:26 PM
why?
i posted the answer for a sec, was long, boring, you wouldn't have liked it ;), i deleted the post :p.
this is too much into theories, mainly, you wont catch me fast, by the time you are on me you already lost most of your mp, when you catch me it doesn't matter to slow me since i am deep in the buff zone and wont move, but my pet is full hp, i m full hp/mp, and you are dead :P
Quote from: our4n0s on June 10, 2009, 12:20:49 PM
i posted the answer for a sec, was long, boring, you wouldn't have liked it ;), i deleted the post :p.
this is too much into theories, mainly, you wont catch me fast, by the time you are on me you already lost most of your mp, when you catch me it doesn't matter to slow me since i am deep in the buff zone and wont move, but my pet is full hp, i m full hp/mp, and you are dead :P
indeed, theory, i see things differently.
still i hope some players with erase and aura flash skill and slow skills should try tthis on you, i cant see any reason why it wouldnt work
Ps: what summon full hp if i said it gets erased in the beginning and you cant resummon due to switch?
Quote from: cristianvernal on June 09, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
i actually confused u with altheo xDDDD
dont need another hater on my list...
dude you forgot to add a feature to my gf
she was a model, yes was, because the current one is not.
Well if you wnated naked pics you only had to ask
ulysse_699@hotmail.com
;>
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 12:27:07 PM
indeed, theory, i see things differently.
still i hope some players with erase and aura flash skill and slow skills should try tthis on you, i cant see any reason why it wouldnt work
Ps: what summon full hp if i said it gets erased in the beginning and you cant resummon due to switch?
thing is i leave the pet behind when i start, i go out alone, you start erase where i left you, lets hope it landed, i m full hp/mp and you just felt 1 more mana burn trigger + aug when you erased
Quote from: our4n0s on June 10, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
thing is i leave the pet behind when i start, i go out alone, you start erase where i left you, lets hope it landed, i m full hp/mp and you just felt 1 more mana burn trigger + aug when you erased
that's smart.
but i heard mana burn got a bit nerfed so i doubt you can empy one's MP to 0 that fast.
btw, i wasnt tatlking about me. a smart sps/ee or other combos like sorc/bish etc could easily defeat you. as Restive use to say, its all about the skills of the guy behind the keyboard.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on June 10, 2009, 12:47:06 PM
that's smart.
but i heard mana burn got a bit nerfed so i doubt you can empy one's MP to 0 that fast.
btw, i wasnt tatlking about me. a smart sps/ee or other combos like sorc/bish etc could easily defeat you. as Restive use to say, its all about the skills of the guy behind the keyboard.
I told you cause it was your strategy, talked as if u were the one playing the sps ee.
About some combo winning me, definetely agree, ppl lack creativity ( creativity of gameplay) so bad and never come up with something new.
Imo, now that mana burn is nerfed, i can lose to sps ee, but not the way you wanted to try it.
Otherwise sorc bish would lose because i mana burn faster and got mp regen pet.
I can't see any combo atm but sws ee or sps ee concerning mages ???
Quote from: Evolution on June 10, 2009, 10:12:08 AM
FIRST NERF SILENCE!!! LOOL ::)
i have mystic immunity so freak silence :P
NERF ERASE
Quote from: Mohit0 on June 10, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
i have mystic immunity so freak silence :P
NERF ERASE
NERF SILENCE ::)
Erase is already nerfed lol
Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
nop, but you're like the only one who thinks mana burn doesn't need one ^^
Save the summoners not the summons:
I've been playing here for a long long time. I remember when my pony could do anything and only a dagger was able to kill it.
That was a bug that have been fixed a long time ago...
Now i see that been a summoner has nothing good... the summons can be killed in a 1-3 shots, and te summoners got no skill to hit. Necro aren't real summoners btw, and everyody knows that cause necros have spell to debuff and inflict dmg, but ES for example, have none.
I have a ES/SpS and I say that it's a good thing to be SpS, cause some times i really don't know why i'm using a summon. TP is useless since the summon die fast, summons auto-buff r useless cause even fullbuffed summons suck, cubics r useless since on real game the effect is like cheat and the pony buff (and similars) are only one (a buffer can selfcasr a lot of buffs)... so, what we do as SUMMONERS... if u are a figther/summonner u can get the passsive skills, but it still useles to chose been a summoner (cause all caster get the same passive and a lot more).
Now we have erase... i don't give it a cheat.... why? cause my summon can be killed so fast ¬¬ that erase makes no diffence.
So I beg GM's to fix SUMMONERS, and not SUMMONS, problems... I remember that all skills exist the way it is to be balanced in a official gameplay (no DN-subs), this way you guys have to make some stuff to re-balance it.
My Request:
http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_02.html
Servitors
An attribute system that allows the summoners to transfer their attribute abilities to the servitor has been added. This only applies to Warlocks, Phantom Summoners, and Elemental Summoners and their associated third class.
When the summoner equips a weapon with an attribute that corresponds with that of the servitor, 80% of the corresponding attribute value automatically applies to the servitor.
The attribute value only applies to the servitor's attacks power, not to its defense power.
When the summoner receives an item grade penalty, the attribute system does not apply on their pets.
When the attribute of the equipped weapon does not correspond with that of the servitor, the attribute system does not apply.
My sugestion:
Make summons stats change as your weapon change. Ex:
- weapon P.Atk.: changes HP, P Atack, Acuracy, P Def....
- weapon M. Atk: changes MP, Matack, Cast sped, M def. ...
This way a caster/summoner could get better M Def, witch resolves the ERASE problems, and fighters can rely in better HP for summons (since p atack of weapons are very very good).
GM'S PLS READ THIS SUGGESTION!
PLAYERS, SUPPORT ME!
Quote from: Gaus_rada on August 19, 2009, 02:19:18 AM
Save the summoners not the summons:
I've been playing here for a long long time. I remember when my pony could do anything and only a dagger was able to kill it.
That was a bug that have been fixed a long time ago...
Now i see that been a summoner has nothing good... the summons can be killed in a 1-3 shots, and te summoners got no skill to hit. Necro aren't real summoners btw, and everyody knows that cause necros have spell to debuff and inflict dmg, but ES for example, have none.
I have a ES/SpS and I say that it's a good thing to be SpS, cause some times i really don't know why i'm using a summon. TP is useless since the summon die fast, summons auto-buff r useless cause even fullbuffed summons suck, cubics r useless since on real game the effect is like cheat and the pony buff (and similars) are only one (a buffer can selfcasr a lot of buffs)... so, what we do as SUMMONERS... if u are a figther/summonner u can get the passsive skills, but it still useles to chose been a summoner (cause all caster get the same passive and a lot more).
Now we have erase... i don't give it a cheat.... why? cause my summon can be killed so fast ¬¬ that erase makes no diffence.
So I beg GM's to fix SUMMONERS, and not SUMMONS, problems... I remember that all skills exist the way it is to be balanced in a official gameplay (no DN-subs), this way you guys have to make some stuff to re-balance it.
My Request:
http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_02.html
Servitors
An attribute system that allows the summoners to transfer their attribute abilities to the servitor has been added. This only applies to Warlocks, Phantom Summoners, and Elemental Summoners and their associated third class.
When the summoner equips a weapon with an attribute that corresponds with that of the servitor, 80% of the corresponding attribute value automatically applies to the servitor.
The attribute value only applies to the servitor's attacks power, not to its defense power.
When the summoner receives an item grade penalty, the attribute system does not apply on their pets.
When the attribute of the equipped weapon does not correspond with that of the servitor, the attribute system does not apply.
My sugestion:
Make summons stats change as your weapon change. Ex:
- weapon P.Atk.: changes HP, P Atack, Acuracy, P Def....
- weapon M. Atk: changes MP, Matack, Cast sped, M def. ...
This way a caster/summoner could get better M Def, witch resolves the ERASE problems, and fighters can rely in better HP for summons (since p atack of weapons are very very good).
GM'S PLS READ THIS SUGGESTION!
PLAYERS, SUPPORT ME!
WindPenix? Is that you?
Quote from: kidicarus on August 19, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
WindPenix? Is that you?
I am the mentor of all ES/SPS, a legend of the times bygone!
The guy is right tho.
/clap clap
As for myself i'm very inactive because i'm kinda very busy with my career, foreign affairs ministry internships and whatnot... but another thing that pisses me off is that i have to farm a lot/ donate to get DNET set, and er... not rly in the mood for that.
Still i can log from time to time to pass my skills to the younglings
;D
/smartass mode off
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 19, 2009, 01:49:52 PM
I am the mentor of all ES/SPS, a legend of the times bygone!
The guy is right tho.
/clap clap
As for myself i'm very inactive because i'm kinda very busy with my career, foreign affairs ministry internships and whatnot... but another thing that pisses me off is that i have to farm a lot/ donate to get DNET set, and er... not rly in the mood for that.
Still i can log from time to time to pass my skills to the younglings
;D
/smartass mode off
It's just that it's a 1 post account.... why would someone who played here for that many years, and apparently knows english decide to make an account now after all theese years?
And theres usually noone except you who write es/sps instead of sps/es... And he's fighjting for the same things you are... And he's bumping old topics like you are.
Only thing taht throws me off is the big caps things ion the end..... But you could have faked it.
ADMIT ITS YOU WINDPENIX!
You 2 should start a Pony Range, near Gludin there's enough space and a bunch of fences!
Quote from: Fure on August 19, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
You 2 should start a Pony Range, near Gludin there's enough space and a bunch of fences!
Every ES/SPS' dream:Useful servants(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1354/unicornbarbecuebyraffer.jpg)
+Hot elven chicks(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6024/spellsingerbywingedbunn.jpg)
+L33t gear 8)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9307/lineage2elfwipbyanuhwym.jpg)
+Fame(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4858/wind.jpg)
=<3(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2950/shot00127.jpg)
Guess i'm a happy elf ;D
lol... u love ur es/sps...don't u ?:P
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 19, 2009, 03:15:21 PM
Guess i'm a happy elf ;D
Guess? xD
If i find some of mine SS's i'll post here....(i lost lots of them formatting pc)
Sry for my english -.-"
I say Es/SpS cause that what my char is... My char is a Elemeental Sumoner that become a SpS though hitting golkonda... i kind killed it alone... yes.. a long time ago it was possible and of course it was fixed, cause this is the destiny we expect from all bugs.
But what i want to say here is that there are a lot of kind of players... and i'm one that like my first char!
It was unfair in ther past to have a over merrow killing all Kariks! But it's not fair either to have it useless!
I beg the GM's to see this topic and make it change. There are no skills to be implemented from hellbound that will make been a summoer a good thing!
Only "Gracia Final" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzgM601MLOc) has a new skill (spirits/fusion) that will make some difference... but as I say... it's only one skill that will be good, and we have no idea stats/weapons will interfere.
So pls GM's: do something!
Quote from: Gaus_rada on August 20, 2009, 07:14:55 AM
I say Es/SpS cause that what my char is... My char is a Elemeental Sumoner that become a SpS though hitting golkonda... i kind killed it alone... yes.. a long time ago it was possible and of course it was fixed, cause this is the destiny we expect from all bugs.
But what i want to say here is that there are a lot of kind of players... and i'm one that like my first char!
It was unfair in ther past to have a over merrow killing all Kariks! But it's not fair either to have it useless!
I beg the GM's to see this topic and make it change. There are no skills to be implemented from hellbound that will make been a summoer a good thing!
Only "Gracia Final" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzgM601MLOc) has a new skill (spirits/fusion) that will make some difference... but as I say... it's only one skill that will be good, and we have no idea stats/weapons will interfere.
So pls GM's: do something!
That video is amazing... anyways +1....
sup n44bs? erase still sux? ::)
as the guy said, sumoners just globally suck, totally bugued class on dragon notwork
Quote from: our4n0s on August 22, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
as the guy said, sumoners just globally suck, totally bugued class on dragon notwork
give us back c3 LOA cleaner poneys pls :D
wingedpenis wanna train like a kamikazeidiot :D
i want the same but not c3 loa devil island inside best exp ever made lvl 76 there on my lil bassyyy
Wizard Servitor is a buff for mage pony's.....
Give us back the non-nerfed skills/stats from magnus ;D