Poll
Question:
What do you think about Main+NoSubstack?
Option 1: It's very good idea!
votes: 90
Option 2: I see no difference
votes: 18
Option 3: All these months i have waited for this? ....
votes: 100
want to know your opinion
SUX!!! fck it....
My opinion its SUX
If I understand well, if I make my main char for example TH I must make retail too if I want make DN sub ? And I can get DN sub just for retail class, not for my main class ? WTF is this ?!?! :-\
yeah yeah ???
i dont like
your MAIN class means NOTHING
Quote from: XTC on April 29, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
SUX!!! fck it....
My opinion its SUX
From all the text you pointed only at the sub system, which is to ne quite honest much more better then on other servers and 10x more fair to game play/balance/fairness you name it, so i dont know for real what is the problem now.
But i am quite sure you didnt even understand the system propertly and in the end there will be alway someone who will complaine about everything.
Quote from: Linas on April 29, 2010, 04:50:58 PM
your MAIN class means NOTHING
Says who?
Quote from: BusinessMan on April 29, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
If I understand well, if I make my main char for example TH I must make retail too if I want make DN sub ? And I can get DN sub just for retail class, not for my main class ? WTF is this ?!?! :-\
Imo sub is useless coz you cant use it for farming and stuff. Only thing you can do with it just Siege and pvp lol...
Oly- no sub
HB island- no sub ( gl killing moobs there w.o sub xD)
and all other places xD
i dont vote, until i test it.after al those people do everything they think to give beter gameplay.some people will love it, some will hate it. of course ou know what kind of people will like it....and who will not !
i didnt see scense of DN sub NOW, cuz only reason to make it ,its to be PVP monster? usless NO? ;D
Quote from: SpoilerAngel on April 29, 2010, 04:51:37 PM
Imo sub is useless coz you cant use it for farming and stuff. Only thing you can do with it just Siege and pvp lol...
Oly- no sub
HB island- no sub ( gl killing moobs there w.o sub xD)
and all other places xD
Why you miss your l2w army and no needed for party , just log>log 5-10 boxes> farm to the bone alone. Well wrong server you choose then.Lineage is team play game, and we will do evetything to make it and also to balance game as much as we can for everyone, if you dont understand point of this , i am really sorry but i cant draw to you. And tell me just 1 reason why main class cant pvp vs other main class? Is it forbidden? We said something about it? Finally pvp wont last 1-3 sec no more.
Anyway enjoy your flames we said when we are opening server, good luck to everyone, cya ingame.
I dont like it either.
my clan will not come i think..
Most of ppl play on DN bcuz of stack sub.Personaly i do not like this idea cuz most ppl wanna play pwn classes and its hard to find good support for pvp.I played on many retail servers and its always been like this.Everyone wanna pwn, no one wants to heal/buff/dance/sing.
If its gonna stay like this i wish u gl.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Why you miss your l2w army and no needed for party , just log>log 5-10 boxes> farm to the bone alone. Well wrong server you choose then.Lineage is team play game, and we will do evetything to make it and also to balance game as much as we can for everyone, if you dont understand point of this , i am really sorry but i cant draw to you. And tell me just 1 reason why main class cant pvp vs other main class? Is it forbidden? We said something about it? Finally pvp wont last 1-3 sec no more.
Anyway enjoy your flames we said when we are opening server, good luck to everyone, cya ingame.
and retail can levelup to 85 and learn lvl 81 skill, or not??
Why don't you just wait and see what it is like before you even judge?
When you first logged one of the DN servers, you didn't know exactly what to expect either. Really, it's one of the most exiting things, not knowing what to expect. See it as a new adventure, a new exploration, just like when you played Lineage 2 for the first time.
I wish the GM's of this new server the best of luck.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Why you miss your l2w army and no needed for party , just log>log 5-10 boxes> farm to the bone alone. Well wrong server you choose then.Lineage is team play game, and we will do evetything to make it and also to balance game as much as we can for everyone, if you dont understand point of this , i am really sorry but i cant draw to you. And tell me just 1 reason why main class cant pvp vs other main class? Is it forbidden? We said something about it? Finally pvp wont last 1-3 sec no more.
Anyway enjoy your flames we said when we are opening server, good luck to everyone, cya ingame.
what makes you think im using l2w and you are insulting ppl w.o knowing? Did i insult you or smt? And ye i understand your point now
Golky respawns will be 6 hours?
well imo is best option i ever seen on full dragonnetwork.... no more 1 man army... finally ppl to clan will be taken carfully. pvp will start get ballanced, fighting against big bosses rly hard, game will be more fun. i think now play subbed char will be pointless i think cuz on most spots u will go on ur main like also skills from 81-85 will be possible to take only on main so i think it will force ppl to play on main. olympiad will be nice now and rly will be baced like on official.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Anyway enjoy your flames we said when we are opening server, good luck to everyone, cya ingame.
short and understandable answer :D now just wait ppl and stop QQ, Valky is coming tommorow then everybody will see what has improved comparing to other servers or got nerfed... crying now is meaningless ...
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 29, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
short and understandable answer :D now just wait ppl and stop QQ, Valky is coming tommorow then everybody will see what has improved comparing to other servers or got nerfed... crying now is meaningless ...
I think you wont see not even 5% of featrures in 1 day i think you need much more time for it ;)
However many more fixes are about to come but we will fix them on the fly no need to delay servers opening cause of it, and in the end is not like you will be lvl 85 in 1day .
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
+1 . Most of ppl here play coz thay like DN sub system ! If will be like you said Torn, our clan also dont come ! We have a million better retail server's ! For example rpg-club ! So wish u gl whit that option !
You totally do not understand our system then and our point, since you can do DN stacking sub just there are some addjustments of it, i wont bother to explain more descent explained everythng already.
retail level cap is 80? :P
I think this sub system looks very nice ...
We can have both worlds if I got it right. The retail like if we play with main char and the DN world if we play with retail/sub :D but I wanna try out it 1st to see if I understood it well ;)
Finally GM's woke up ... why you didn't say nothing b4 I don't get it ...
Hope u'll be more up to date with us in the future ;)
GL for Valkyria :)
Quote from: DezZzO_ on April 29, 2010, 05:18:33 PM
I think this sub system looks very nice ...
We can have both worlds if I got it right. The retail like if we play with main char and the DN world if we play with retail/sub :D but I wanna try out it 1st to see if I understood it well ;)
Finally GM's woke up ... why you didn't say nothing b4 I don't get it ...
Hope u'll be more up to date with us in the future ;)
GL for Valkyria :)
well is kinda ballanced lvl 85 chrs are/can be very very strong cuz of new skills lvl maxx= 80 on retail with dn sub will make them bit weaker but everythink will be up to players. i think this idea is very nice
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
Torn, i suppost you dont understand us ! We come from other server's. example i come from rpg club. and i wanna play DN sub system. Its your choice what server u gonna make. Just we dont like that, so we dont come . Simple. GL whit server.
You can play with DN sub system no problem, there is just some little "limitations" that will bring something new into this l2.
=Offtopic=
You know people there are other things we made too ;)
thsi means mana pots are off in cata/necro/anthy etc?
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 05:21:47 PM
You can play with DN sub system no problem, there is just some little "limitations" that will bring something new into this l2.
=Offtopic=
You know people there are other things we made too ;)
hmm u took out 80 lvl cap of retail?? xd
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
but dude, look valakas, anthy, frintezza. only whit main chars. doesnt that looks like full retail server ! I rly dont like that. I am pissed alredy on TEON and rpg-club. so i wanna DN sub. here doesnt exist so we dont have anything to do on Valky :D!
and what again will be valakas killd by 50 ppl? or 70?
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
but dude, look valakas, anthy, frintezza. only whit main chars. doesnt that looks like full retail server ! I rly dont like that. I am pissed alredy on TEON and rpg-club. so i wanna DN sub. here doesnt exist so we dont have anything to do on Valky :D!
Indeed, i am bored of teon aswell. I wanted to play here cause of dnet system. I thought valkyria would be like infinitys' little brother....
bad idea, we have to wait long time for it when VALKIRIA up, now Im disappointed, I think most people want to go on an epic boss, and hb island on main+ sub, not onyl main :f
Balance within the game will be much better with single classes though. Apart from that, each class will have its use now, instead of being used as a bot combined with some 'uber' sub combos who wish to play Rambo instead of Lineage 2.
Quote from: Vax on April 29, 2010, 05:24:29 PM
hmm u took out 80 lvl cap of retail?? xd
and what again will be valakas killd by 50 ppl? or 70?
Quote from: DarkXIII on April 29, 2010, 05:04:03 PM
and retail can levelup to 85 and learn lvl 81 skill, or not??
please answer on this...
I understand that u wanted to make DN look like real l2.But truth is DN was always unique by his stack sub system.Yes there will be DN sub system on retail (sub) but lvl cap is 80.I played healer on retail server and trust me it took me ages to set it up for pvp/oly/siege.Classes like pp and wc are useless in pvp.Their only job is to buff ppl.And dont tell me pp has mana burn or erase cuz its rly useless.Especially that u removed active aug's so healer/summoner/buffer classes are useless on oly.Also archers after IL are useless on oly.So i wont even bother to try this server.Sry for negative post but this is my opinion.
Quote from: Lodowy on April 29, 2010, 05:27:26 PM
bad idea, we have to wait long time for it when VALKIRIA up, now Im disappointed, I think most people want to go on an epic boss, and hb island on main+ sub, not onyl main :f
there is something ideal for you.. its called DRAGON x 15 . VALKY is different and will be I guess... It would be pointless making another server copy of Dragon. GL out of DN then :-*
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So areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
Is this joke?
BTW: Hero skills are pointless IMO.
80 lvl on x9 to make subb? It's freaking awesome....
Also remember guys that on retail you can't do 80+ level. So all this skills will just doesn't exist xD
What the freak is it Java???
About Olympiad I think that if people want to play DN they want to play sub server no retail one. If they want retail they can play on RPG - Dex - RuOff
2 Months waiting for shit.
Quote from: Hostnik on April 29, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
I understand that u wanted to make DN look like real l2.But truth is DN was always unique by his stack sub system.Yes there will be DN sub system on retail (sub) but lvl cap is 80.I played healer on retail server and trust me it took me ages to set it up for pvp/oly/siege.Classes like pp and wc are useless in pvp.Their only job is to buff ppl.And dont tell me pp has mana burn or erase cuz its rly useless.Especially that u removed active aug's so healer/summoner/buffer classes are useless on oly.Also archers after IL are useless on oly.So i wont even bother to try this server.Sry for negative post but this is my opinion.
i think augumentations will work normally. well on dn was needed to make them dissable cuz of stack system. now i think shuld be available to make playing as pp/wc and other buffers nice
omg...substack like other dn servers is better....for what i waiting ? -.- make normal dn substack
I see no fcking problem if the lvl cap of retail classes is at 85.. dunno why are u ppl complaining so much..
answer please about lvl cap ;)
Quote from: ekson on April 29, 2010, 05:46:58 PM
omg...substack like other dn servers is better....for what i waiting ? -.- make normal dn substack
it's normal only you have problems with some organ... You didn't read ann. 5 times like GMs said :P ... seriously guys... DNsub system is just as it was on other servers omg... there are just some instance zones where you can't enter with it AND ITS OBVIOUS IN ORDER TO BLOCK FARMING BOTS ETC... IF YOU DONT LIKE IT STOP COMPLYING ???
BTW ON DRAGON NO ONE CARED ABOUT THOSE PROBLEMS, THEY DIDN"T SOLVED THAT........
HERE GMs FOUND CURE FOR MOST DN PROBLEMS AND SUDDENLY EVERYONE CRIES ... ITS PATHETIC
i like the ideia, torn and descent made a great job with this new sub system, at least it sounds good but i wanna try it ig
i just want to know 1 thing, we must do retail first to sub ? i mean we start by destroyer then make retail of any class and sub it ?
i think we need retail first but im not sure ;D
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 29, 2010, 05:52:06 PM
it's normal only you have problems with some organ... You didn't read ann. 5 times like GMs said :P ... seriously guys... DNsub system is just as it was on other servers omg... there are just some instance zones where you can't enter with it AND ITS OBVIOUS IN ORDER TO BLOCK FARMING BOTS ETC... IF YOU DONT LIKE IT STOP COMPLYING ???
BTW people will spend 2 months on exping 1-75(or more) + 40-80
Quote from: ChujoZord on April 29, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
BTW people will spend 2 months on exping 1-75(or more) + 40-80
WELL ONE COULD KNOWS ABOUT THAT MONTH AGO ALREADY.... AND YOU DIDN'T... :'(
Quote from: ChujoZord on April 29, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
BTW people will spend 2 months on exping 1-75(or more) + 40-80
2 months to lvl 80? heh i bet in less than 2 weeks u will see some 75+
Quote from: Vax on April 29, 2010, 05:58:14 PM
2 months to lvl 80? heh i bet in less than 2 weeks u will see some 75+
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So areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
1. make dn subs, ppls w8 for it almost 2 m.
2.vala/anty 100+ ppl for kill :),awesome =D
Quote from: ChujoZord on April 29, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
BTW people will spend 2 months on exping 1-75(or more) + 40-80
Yea, on Infinity x5 is possible to exp char 1-80 in 2 days, so you dont have idea what you talking about. If Dragon players dont know how to exp, its their problem :D.
And then , when you reach 80 lvl, you dont have to reroll, beacuse you can make 3 subbed class in one character.
Quote from: lexximer on April 29, 2010, 06:01:02 PM
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So areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
1. make dn subs, ppls w8 for it almost 2 m.
2.vala/anty 100+ ppl for kill :),awesome =D
u mean in D-Grade ? omg ..
Quote from: Kotlet on April 29, 2010, 06:03:56 PM
Yea, on Infinity x5 is possible to exp char 1-80 in 2 days, so you dont have idea what you talking about. If Dragon players dont know how to exp, its their problem :D.
And then , when you reach 80 lvl, you dont have to reroll, beacuse you can make 3 subbed class in one character.
when u take retail class u are starting with 40 lvl that's what he pointed.
and ofc it is possible on dragon too to make 80 lvl char in 1-2 days but this will be fresh server with no power exp and without full gear at all lvls :D
Quote from: stanko on April 29, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
when u take retail class u are starting with 40 lvl that's what he pointed.
and ofc it is possible on dragon too to make 80 lvl char in 1-2 days but this will be fresh server with no power exp and without full gear at all lvls :D
Yes but then again once you sub DN sub, no more going on lvl 40.
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Lineage is team play game so if you want to level fast join party since party exp is 120%
Quote from: stanko on April 29, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
when u take retail class u are starting with 40 lvl that's what he pointed.
and ofc it is possible on dragon too to make 80 lvl char in 1-2 days but this will be fresh server with no power exp and without full gear at all lvls :D
I know, but for sure its faster than make new char and exp it from 0.
Quote from: stanko on April 29, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
when u take retail class u are starting with 40 lvl that's what he pointed.
and ofc it is possible on dragon too to make 80 lvl char in 1-2 days but this will be fresh server with no power exp and without full gear at all lvls :D
It's good idea because every little stuff items will have their value unlike Dragon for instance where many items got nerfed just because ppl fast exp and then farm - MOSTLY ON L2W... and because of that many items there doesn't have proper value now.... just like on PvP servers... so imo Vlaky ftw now... ;)
it's a sick situation here ! to many haters ! u don't have to make another fu*ked d-n server like x15. try to learn how to play in this game and stop sayin bullshits. u don't like it? so .I.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
Yes but then again once you sub DN sub, no more going on lvl 40.
torn, we cant sub our main right ?
this sounds really good, but i think retail should go to 85 because on siege this will help alot (and ofc less lag)
with those restrict areas you and Descent** dont have problem to make retail 85. Just my opinion, and at least i like this new system and i dont have nothing against.
gl and keep server alive please, dont let him die like others :-\
Quote from: Cireneu on April 29, 2010, 06:12:50 PM
torn, we cant sub our main right ?
this sounds really good, but i think retail should go to 85 because on siege this will help alot (and ofc less lag)
with those restrict areas you and torn dont have problem to make retail 85. Just my opinion, and at least i like this new system and i dont have nothing against.
gl and keep server alive please, dont let him die like others :-\
You can go on siege 80/80 DN subbed.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
Yes but then again once you sub DN sub, no more going on lvl 40.
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Lineage is team play game so if you want to level fast join party since party exp is 120%
torn can u tell sth about augumentation? for example will be like on dragonnetwork that on oly u cant use active augus? like nukes?
I don't like new system
Quote from: Kostucha on April 29, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
I don't like new system
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Whats the point in playing a stack sub server if you have to work mostly on your retail without stack?
i think its only good for Oly to make it more balanced.. the rest i rly dont like it at all.
tshis is stupid
why all of u try so hard to make another dn x15? if u like it so much ask almighty drake to change rates and it will be the same.
it's smth new, smth what i was never seen on other servers. is it hard to try with out complainig?
but how u wanna make icarus or dynasty when u can't go on hellbound with sub !?
Quote from: Sanctus on April 29, 2010, 06:22:31 PM
Whats the point in playing a stack sub server if you have to work mostly on your retail without stack?
i think its only good for Oly to make it more balanced.. the rest i rly dont like it at all.
I agree with Sanctus. Only MAIN olympiad is a good idea. It will make oly more balanced. It's OK.
I don't understand idea of limiting PvE areas to Main classes... What the fun is of playing subbed char if you can not go anywhere you want?
The only part I do not like is catas and necropolis. Thats not neccessary I think. And can someone please explain about cap lvl on sub ? 80 or 85 ?
All in all is a good system. Will make you think more, means the game will be more interesting. All these cryers either are too quick to judge or have limited brain capacity IMO.
Quote from: Kris on April 29, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
but how u wanna make icarus or dynasty when u can't go on hellbound with sub !?
Like on non-stack sub servers?
Quote from: Kris on April 29, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
but how u wanna make icarus or dynasty when u can't go on hellbound with sub !?
LMFAO
You ever actually played Lineage 2?
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 06:27:55 PM
I agree with Sanctus. Only MAIN olympiad is a good idea. It will make oly more balanced. It's OK.
I don't understand idea of limiting PvE areas to Main classes... What the fun is of playing subbed char if you can not go anywhere you want?
Its not like you are going on EPIC bosses every day, all other raids are available for subed chars.
Limiting other ares have much much greater purpose which you cant realise at the moment and from this point of view, so you can continue with flames.
Quote from: Kris on April 29, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
but how u wanna make icarus or dynasty when u can't go on hellbound with sub !?
HAHAHAHA ;D ... another one-army man ? :D ... that's called TEAM PLAY DUDE :) SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN"T LEARNED ON x15 ... YOUR CHOICE ...
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So areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
and will be ok :)
Quote from: Handrail on April 29, 2010, 06:28:54 PM
The only part I do not like is catas and necropolis. Thats not neccessary I think. And can someone please explain about cap lvl on sub ? 80 or 85 ?
All in all is a good system. Will make you think more, means the game will be more interesting. All these cryers either are too quick to judge or have limited brain capacity IMO.
Bravo , 1st time i can say +1 , we dont wanna make like someone said RAMBO ALL IN ONE GAME, copy/paste best class in game and play (in the end youll quit playing in no more then 2 weeks), we want each player to think wisely what char will play also what clan/ally needs not just for example whole clans of he/pp and so on....
This sub idea is really good. It will make people play the game together.
Not some 1 party of TY/DE killing epic bosses in short time.
Some people are just to big noobs to see the potential of this idea.
I don't Understand people that cry about that idea. Someone forces you to play here? You got a gun pointet at your head or what? Dont like it, dont play it. Well, thats what addiction does with people.
Peace, no h8 (^-^)
Quote from: Handrail on April 29, 2010, 06:28:54 PM
The only part I do not like is catas and necropolis. Thats not neccessary I think. And can someone please explain about cap lvl on sub ? 80 or 85 ?
All in all is a good system. Will make you think more, means the game will be more interesting. All these cryers either are too quick to judge or have limited brain capacity IMO.
I have been playing on Lineage 2 Extreme since 4 months. The only reason I wanted to leave Extreme behind, was DN-sub class system. And what I get? Half dn-sub class system?
It will make game more complicated. Imagine that you are on mass PvP on Hellbound. You pwned your enemies. Then you get info about new enemies on Ketra. Ketra is area with sub working, so you have to go to Highpriests and change class to Subbed ones, if you don't do so, you won't have any chances with subbed chars... It will just make lots of problems with changing class every time you want to go to different place...
AAAAAAAAAA!!!! IT TOTALY SUX SUX SUX IM ANGRY STRAGNEST THINGS 3 HORNS CLOSED AREAS IT IS CRAZY!!! IT WILL KILL THIS SERVER GOOD LUCK FOR HIM !!! AND FOR ALL PLAYERS WHO LIKE THIS!!! (anger 100%) Why any server at this time is spoiled realy gm's don't know what people need ?? WTF IS THAT!!! I tell it my future clan and 20 + ppls will leave again from DN !!! F.O.R.E.V.E.R TWO YEARS AGO I WAS LEAVE.... and that story will repeat again...
We realy like old verision of substuck system don't spoil it !!! I'm waiting with friends ... on action...
Good day for die you valkire...
3 horns - nice joke / closed areas for subed ppls - rly silly/ retali sub - stupid idea... i have question ... why gm's will do sub here it is nonsense!! If you want do bad ideas .... don't do enything.Do reatil ... or oldest subsystem it is my brutal opinion about it :(
Sry for my bad english ... and anger ... my hope gonna die for good server...again again and again and sorry for sharp words. :(
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
Bravo , 1st time i can say +1 , we dont wanna make like someone said RAMBO ALL IN ONE GAME, copy/paste best class in game and play (in the end youll quit playing in no more then 2 weeks), we want each player to think wisely what char will play also what clan/ally needs not just for example whole clans of he/pp and so on....
+1
yeah but playing without fs is a handicap dont u think.. or u want to bring main classes on siege/pvp too so they can have advantage of forgoten scrolls compared to stuck sub ppl?
imo ppl will have enough pvp even with main class coz those restricted areas are the most visited areas...
so give us the answer about cap at retail pl0x :D
Torn, tx for replying, but please, answer these two questions of mine. Thats all I am asking.
1) Don't you think you should reconsider catas/necros/hb zones ? I mean these are NOT neccessary. I understand valas/anthy. But here.. Cmon, you should make a poll about this.
2) What about sub lvl cap ?
Thank you very much.
Quote from: stanko on April 29, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
yeah but playing without fs is a handicap dont u think.. or u want to bring main classes on siege/pvp too so they can have advantage of forgoten scrolls compared to stuck sub ppl?
To be honest mate, thats the point you have to think/plan with clan or ally what you will play 80/80 or 85 lvl with all FS skills, in both cases choise is yours.
+1 for that system
What about mp pots and tatoo?
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
To be honest mate, thats the point you have to think/plan with clan or ally what you will play 80/80 or 85 lvl with all FS skills, in both cases choise is yours.
so with this u are telling us that we will have cap at 80 lvl at our subs.
ok not the answer i wanted but hey server is looking GREAT anyway ;)
I basically think that Valkyria DN-sub class system is an idea of worshipers of no-dn-sub servers.
That system will break server apart to two pieces:
1. Followers on no-sub pro lineage (I agree that playing without subs is harder and it takes more intelligence from players).
2. Followers of dn-subs who want to play different Lineage 2 from original one.
Your system does not change the fact that most of the RBs will be killed by Destro/Tyr killing machines. It actually does not change anything. It only adds some areas for followers of NO-DN-sub lineage. It's wrong. You ARE Dragon Network! Be Dragon Network. Do not try to pretend other servers.
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 06:48:33 PM
I basically think that Valkyria DN-sub class system is an idea of worshipers of no-dn-sub servers.
That system will break server apart to two pieces:
1. Followers on no-sub pro lineage (I agree that playing without subs is harder and it takes more intelligence from players).
2. Followers of dn-subs who want to play different Lineage 2 from original one.
Your system does not change the fact that most of the RBs will be killed by Destro/Tyr killing machines. It actually does not change anything. It only adds some areas for followers of NO-DN-sub lineage. It's wrong. You ARE Dragon Network! Be Dragon Network. Do not try to pretend other servers.
+1
BK201 +++1
Quote from: Ulti on April 29, 2010, 06:43:17 PM
+1 for that system
What about mp pots and tatoo?
We will use same system as others servers are using atm.
Quote from: stanko on April 29, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
so with this u are telling us that we will have cap at 80 lvl at our subs.
ok not the answer i wanted but hey server is looking GREAT anyway ;)
Thank you, and you will see it will be quite interesting in game quite different gameplay from what you have played till now.
Torn sry but tell me 1 thing, if we cant make sub of main class for what we need 3 horns ? shouldnt it be 1 ? we make retail class (normal Quest) lvlup our retail and sub to retail class ? and this will be like "mutant" (i mean TH<MainClass> SPS/EE) this just take 1 horn..
PS. you dont need 1 horn to make retail. :S
and can u inform us about respawn time of Golkys ?
regards
bb DN bb Thorn good luck again you lose.
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
We will use same system as others servers are using atm.Thank you, and you will see it will be quite interesting in game quite different gameplay from what you have played till now.
Mayby interesting for you but half of players that wanted to play think that it's **** ^^ Bye
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 06:48:33 PM
I basically think that Valkyria DN-sub class system is an idea of worshipers of no-dn-sub servers.
That system will break server apart to two pieces:
1. Followers on no-sub pro lineage (I agree that playing without subs is harder and it takes more intelligence from players).
2. Followers of dn-subs who want to play different Lineage 2 from original one.
Your system does not change the fact that most of the RBs will be killed by Destro/Tyr killing machines. It actually does not change anything. It only adds some areas for followers of NO-DN-sub lineage. It's wrong. You ARE Dragon Network! Be Dragon Network. Do not try to pretend other servers.
it's not like copying others retail servers.... here you will have to decide how you wanna play... each player can choose if he/she want's to play retail-like or dn-sub retail... and no matter what the player choose he will always have some advantages and disadvantages of game-play
I want old dn-sub system back!
Quote from: Cerv on April 29, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
I want old dn-sub system back!
Infinity, dragon, nightmare and arena still with same System xD
Go and play on other dn servers if u want normal dn subs, why are u crying?
Quote from: Bav3 on April 29, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
did i understand good, oly will be just with main class?
no with subed retail?
you understand all clear :D
Quote from: Cerv on April 29, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
I want old dn-sub system back!
like it was from beginning LOL ...Torn pls close this tarded voting topic.... if it's decided then whats the point on ppl spaming here... Make fresh topic about other stuff... I'm fed up with sub cries....
if i understand correctly the new sub system will be like this:
main: something (no substack)
retail1: something/something from this retail's race
retail2: something/something from this retail's race
retai3: something/something from this retail's race
Is this correct?
I agree with main class only restriction on olympiad, but on other places NO. Why? Cuz if your clan needs x char to kill an epic boss, and you have y (fe bh or any useless char on epics like this), you will be excluded, from killing epic. And if you want to change that class to kill epics, you should drop all other retail substacks to do this (ie start a new char).
And another thing: lvl 80 to be able to make retail? Why not the 76 enough? And do we need the official retail quests to make retail class?
Cuz if it looks like this: level a char to 80 make 3rd, then make retail quests, then lvl retail from 40 to 76, then kill golkonda, than retail again, 40 to 76 kill golkonda again.... this needs TOO much time, too much for who have real life too...
So it should be:
- lvl 76 (and no need of 3rd quest), retail sub (no need of retail quest), lvl from 40 to 76, kill golkonda, and after you killed golkonda once you can sub your other 2 retails too.
Or:
-lvl 76 kill golkonda, take stacksub on main, then retail (imho no need for retail quest, it's no fun, not hard but FOKING annoying and needs very MUCH time to watch the bosses), and you can take stacksub on retail too. BUT if you want olympiad you need at least one retail WITHOUT stacksub to participate.
If these two arent possible, then i think the old system should be the better, cuz this system what descent wrote is in this form it's not an option...
Quote from: Ulti on April 29, 2010, 06:59:37 PM
Go and play on other dn servers if u want normal dn subs, why are u crying?
Fine, but first wipe them out. We want to start from 0 on equal terms with all players.
Quote from: Bav3 on April 29, 2010, 07:02:20 PM
roger that
so what u think about ?
will u play here? :D
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
I wanna DN sub, I wanna DN sub ! NOT LIKE Valky SYSTEM SUB !
me too but ... U think they care? :D
Imagine that you are having pvp on Hellbound (of course on your main classes), after winning pvp you get information of possible enemies on Varka. But before going there you have to change to your sub/sub, because without it you would be pwned by subbed enemies on Varka. Ok imagine that you changed and killed them. After that for example PLAYER wants to go to cata for AA. And what now? You have to Change AGAIN to your main classes! It would be more comfortable to not even bother yourself to make sub, but on the other hand I don't think that Necro 85 has got any chances with Necro/Pal 80/80.
Quote from: lexximer on April 29, 2010, 07:15:14 PM
me too but ... U think they care? :D
Even i don't so ... BB GL HF :D
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 07:17:34 PM
Imagine that you are having pvp on Hellbound (of course on your main classes), after winning pvp you get information of possible enemies on Varka. But before going there you have to change to your sub/sub, because without it you would be pwned by subbed enemies on Varka. Ok imagine that you changed and killed them. After that for example PLAYER wants to go to cata for AA. And what now? You have to Change AGAIN to your main classes! It would be more comfortable to not even bother yourself to make sub, but on the other hand I don't think that Necro 85 has got any chances with Necro/Pal 80/80.
+1, this system is rlly wrong ><
Once again:
Don't you think that you should reconcider zone limitations at least to some extent ? This is the only flawed thing in this sub system. Nothing more.
Thank you.
EDIT: What is the minimum level to take the sub class ? Same as other dn servers ?
NOW IF EVERYTHING HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT MAIN TOPIC I SUGGEST TO ...
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I think Cata is worth reconsidering, but HB and rest NOT ! BB ty/de ty/pal farmers ... Anyway it's how this server is going to roll so get along or get lost...
47% players want old dn-sub system back. But why GMs should even care?
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 07:23:38 PM
seems like no1 :DDDD
Well seems like most of the people, except some kids (yep I see kids from the way they are posting).
Quote from: Terabithia on April 29, 2010, 07:24:07 PM
About subsystem you have to change it lol we have to go to village more then 10x per day for pvp zone limitation oly ...? you guys have to make a new option like in player inventory to change it ... or it will be boring ...
Subclass green totem ;D
Quote from: Terabithia on April 29, 2010, 07:24:07 PM
About subsystem you have to change it lol we have to go to village more then 10x per day for pvp zone limitation oly ...? you guys have to make a new option like in player inventory to change it ... or it will be boring ...
Hahaha it made mi laugh. Imagine that you can change by clicking in your inventory. I am lame PPH >>> click >>> I am Sorc/Pal >>> GF!!!
It's like Pikachu has just evolved to Raichu hahahaha
Quote from: KissMeInUrDreams on April 29, 2010, 07:22:20 PM
Valki sub sux!!!!!.... who play in this server?
EVERYONE INTERESTED... YOU - NOT :-*
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 29, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
EVERYONE INTERESTED... YOU - NOT :-*
everyone ?? 47 % vote against this system ^^
Torn, close topic, find normal questions, answer them in the announcments and I think everyone will be ok with that.
Quote from: Kostucha on April 29, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
everyone ?? 47 % vote against this system ^^
Make poll like "who wanna rape kostucha" then we will talk bout results ... ;D
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 07:23:48 PM
47% players want old dn-sub system back. But why GMs should even care?
GUESS YOU ADDED THOSE WHO VOTED FOR SEEING NO DIFFERENCE AND IT IS ADVANTAGE NOT FOR HATERS :-*
Quote from: Handrail on April 29, 2010, 07:27:18 PM
Torn, close topic, find normal questions, answer them in the announcments and I think everyone will be ok with that.
If you mean 'loss of 47% player' as "will be ok' then YES
why you want 3 subs with stack that will give you a lot of time to lvl.. when you cant use them in the important places? its so insane...
You want to sell us the idea of balanced party, know your char duty in party, etc..? ok then we go back to retail servers..
Imagen you are defending entrance to antharas or soemthing.. you are on your stack for pvp.. then you have to go switch chars, items, etc.. get back.. get pwned by substacked partys.. go back again to switch, pvp... come back again to enter with your main..
You lvl up all your subs for... no.. you cant go hellbound, no you cant go catas, no you cant go epics.. pointless...
lol, and you guys wonder why Torn and Descent didn't reply for a while before they actually had something to reply?
Bunch of retards, good thing most of those whiny idiots won't play here anyway as they claim :D
Quote from: Sanctus on April 29, 2010, 07:28:22 PM
why you want 3 subs with stack that will give you a lot of time to lvl.. when you cant use them in the important places? its so insane...
You want to sell us the idea of balanced party, know your char duty in party, etc..? ok then we go back to retail servers..
Imagen you are defending entrance to antharas or soemthing.. you are on your stack for pvp.. then you have to go switch chars, items, etc.. get back.. get pwned by substacked partys.. go back again to switch, pvp... come back again to enter with your main..
You lvl up all your subs for... no.. you cant go hellbound, no you cant go catas, no you cant go epics.. pointless...
It's simple - don't make a sub xD
Quote from: Furesy on April 29, 2010, 07:28:49 PM
lol, and you guys wonder why Torn and Descent didn't reply for a while before they actually had something to reply?
Bunch of retards, good thing most of those whiny idiots won't play here anyway as they claim :D
+1
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 07:27:34 PM
Make poll like "who wanna rape kostucha" then we will talk bout results ... ;D
Do you thinks it's funny? Would you be so happy if you were raped by someone? Think twice.
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
It's simple - don't make a sub xD
Then MAKE it retail server. What is the point of dn-sub server with so useless subs...?
location for main class is only theory. Im sure that will be possible to summon retail-subbed char to HB/Cata like now we summon char to HB, without quest on summoned character. I know, now character without quest are teleported to city, when he/she touch mobs, but I doubt, it will work same with character on retail stats, with HB/7s quest on Valkyria.
So I think, limited location should be deleted. Ppl will exploit it anyway.
And. I dont like 80 lvl cap on retail classes :/. But its your server and you choice.
Sry for english :D
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
Then MAKE it retail server.
Then get a life and stop hating. Let others play - free will is God 's greatest creation.
Quote from: BK201 on April 29, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
If you mean 'loss of 47% player' as "will be ok' then YES
A little statistics lecture:
You have aproximately 100 people who have voted. THAT IS NOT WHOLE POPULATION, IT IS A SAMPLE. You say "47%" of people will leave. So you are saying that there will be 100 players online. I think thats rather stupid. Your "47%" means that 42 people DO NOT LIKE this system, however some of them will stay here. Next time create a poll, wait for 3 people to answer "NO", 1 "YES", close it down and shout that 75% of server will leave. It will be the same.
Quote from: Kostucha on April 29, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
everyone ?? 47 % vote against this system ^^
and 53% have no problems with this... well maybe you don't see this coz you can't do math .... poor one
Quote from: Handrail on April 29, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
A little statistics lecture:
You have aproximately 100 people who have voted. THAT IS NOT WHOLE POPULATION, IT IS A SAMPLE. You say "47%" of people will leave. So you are saying that there will be 100 players online. I think thats rather stupid. Your "47%" means that 42 people DO NOT LIKE this system, however some of them will stay here. Next time create a poll, wait for 3 people to answer "NO", 1 "YES", close it down and shout that 75% of server will leave. It will be the same.
A little more statistic lecture - it is used to estimate the final results. We don't know how many will leave before tomorrow.
Anyway, I am out from this pointless discussion. HF on Valkyria! :)
Quote from: Handrail on April 29, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
A little statistics lecture:
You have aproximately 100 people who have voted. THAT IS NOT WHOLE POPULATION, IT IS A SAMPLE. You say "47%" of people will leave. So you are saying that there will be 100 players online. I think thats rather stupid. Your "47%" means that 42 people DO NOT LIKE this system, however some of them will stay here. Next time create a poll, wait for 3 people to answer "NO", 1 "YES", close it down and shout that 75% of server will leave. It will be the same.
You don't like this so mayby other way at least 30 % of people who wanted to play won't . Ah and btw shadow was closed becouse of small numer of people good luck . I am out from this discussion see ya
omg.. next time just make voting like YES or NO ,,,, insted YES, YES, NO... and stop QQ about this if you cant see it... once you see it you willl sh*t yourself....
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
Even i don't so ... BB GL HF :D
they mean Gm's
not mortal forum trols ;D
oh yes and i forgot about the needs of equp changes with new system... looking that freaking "inventory is fulll" "warehouse slot is full" shits.... aaaarrrggghhh
spam 4 life :D
Quote from: lexximer on April 29, 2010, 07:37:44 PM
they mean Gm's
not mortal forum trols ;D
So if even a troll like myself don't care what do you think a gm is thinking ?
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this is sux...-1...
i have to spend 2-3 weeks to get 76 on main,then again 1 month to get my retail sub & lvled up to 80+3rd and then w8 for golky,and WTF?? "To help everyone get a horn we have made Golkonda and family’s spawn twice as fast for the first opening month."
][_, {[]} ][_, we need 2-3 month to get lvl 80 at retail class...
I give a try,but huh,i didn't believe this will gona work...
and btw:
So areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
Better will be a DN with retail like system if this gona be -.- no fun with main if we have subbed retail classes
english sux,i know!!! idc
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 07:42:07 PM
So if even a troll like myself don't care what do you think a gm is thinking ?
(http://www.midaswelby.com/Head_and_Boulders/careless6.jpg)
i dont care about ur mind :) so relax and live ur troll life :p
Gm's must care about all ! : )))
ON RETAIL YOU CAN'T MAKE more then 80 lvl so all freaking 80+ skills will be pointless....
main class is NOTHING ?
Quote from: ChujoZord on April 29, 2010, 08:14:15 PM
ON RETAIL YOU CAN'T MAKE more then 80 lvl so all freaking 80+ skills will be pointless....
80+ skills are useless on oly and on epics, right. :o
I don't see where is the problem whit Sub class system, you simply have to choose what you are going to play Fighter or Mage ,then when you finally EXPed your main for example mage to 85 and your retail mage/buffer or something ,which use mage items all will be fine . You can do pvp inside Hell Bound , Catas ..... and when somebody ask you for pvp in Varka for example you have to use Soe or something to leave HB or any of other places where you can play on main and when you are in any City its very easy to change from main to Retail , if they are both mages you will not change your position in party and you will not have to change your items you will simply add a bonus.For that GMs gave you 3 retail you can sub DN style one who can be very similar to your main but with DN sub and other 2 if you need something other it's your choice but all will depend of your friends who you play with or Clan and it will be very simple if you can play with them .
I have 2 Questions for GM
First: What will happen if somebody who is PP main make retail BP and sub it to PP with horn and then play on PP stats his retail PP/BP is there any problems whit skills or something .
Second : If i am human mage as main then sub Retail HE and take WL for DN sub so HE/WL what skin it will have Mage like main or Fighter like both of classes in DN sub
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 07:23:12 PM
I think Cata is worth reconsidering, but HB and rest NOT ! BB ty/de ty/pal farmers ... Anyway it's how this server is going to roll so get along or get lost...
are u stupid??? ppl can make with this system tyr/pal or tyr/de
Wow I didn't expected system like this. It means that you will have more options for playing (on main / retail+DN sub), but in fact main class will be useless. You have to play so long time to make main to 80lv and than make retail AND THAN stack? Valkyria missing DN gaming style in this way and it will be paradise for ppl which dont have REAL LIFE.
About places for main/sub its good idea couz most of DN players dont know what is team play especially on epic bosses where normally you need maaany ppl, here on DN just 1pt... Its good idea, but whole sub system sux :)
Quote from: 6bIK on April 29, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
are u stupid??? ppl can make with this system tyr/pal or tyr/de
Hmmm im not sure who is the stupid one ...
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 29, 2010, 09:29:16 PM
Hmmm im not sure who is the stupid one ...
/agree :P
Wow and what more I explained? My favourite class is TH. Normally I could play TH from beggeing and sub it to what I wished. Now I have to play TH than retail sub it to TH and than for stack sub :o or choose sucking way like creating nuker for quick exp and than retail for TH and for DN sub xD
SH!T HAPPENS
Quote from: 6bIK on April 29, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
are u stupid??? ppl can make with this system tyr/pal or tyr/de
no u cant, u can read in rules if u have for example he and u will sub it on turant than if u wanna put dn sub on turant u can choose only orc classes (cuz u can choose classes only from this race which is ur retail)
but i have 1 more question if u can anserw torn... u told mostbuild of server is like on dn... can u tell me sth about augumenattions? cuz drake nerfed them much for example no active augus on oly cuz of overpowered dn sub chars like sws/ee bp/wk etc... will it work here like there cuz some poor classes like pp/ee/se will suffer here much and this is not good i think. pls anserw how it work here
Quote from: Vax on April 29, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
no u cant, u can read in rules if u have for example he and u will sub it on turant than if u wanna put dn sub on turant u can choose only orc classes (cuz u can choose classes only from this race which is ur retail)
but i have 1 more question if u can anserw torn... u told mostbuild of server is like on dn... can u tell me sth about augumenattions? cuz drake nerfed them much for example no active augus on oly cuz of overpowered dn sub chars like sws/ee bp/wk etc... will it work here like there cuz some poor classes like pp/ee/se will suffer here much and this is not good i think. pls anserw how it work here
well guys give a chance to this people.im sure they work hard last hours to make server ready for gran opening tomorow.many logical questions here, some answers on them, but i guess, we have to see our own eyes how exactly works.
I don't say it is a bad idea but tell me if i m wrong we are gonna play as main class 70-75% of time and Dnet sub 25-30% ?
I dunno if you know but most ppl would prefer playing Dnet sub the majority of time w.o saying always than main class .
If you made that to prevent a random guy with 3 box owning a party ==> 1 box per IP best way imo
Quote from: MartinSVT on April 29, 2010, 08:42:46 PM
I don't see where is the problem whit Sub class system, you simply have to choose what you are going to play Fighter or Mage ,then when you finally EXPed your main for example mage to 85 and your retail mage/buffer or something ,which use mage items all will be fine . You can do pvp inside Hell Bound , Catas ..... and when somebody ask you for pvp in Varka for example you have to use Soe or something to leave HB or any of other places where you can play on main and when you are in any City its very easy to change from main to Retail , if they are both mages you will not change your position in party and you will not have to change your items you will simply add a bonus.For that GMs gave you 3 retail you can sub DN style one who can be very similar to your main but with DN sub and other 2 if you need something other it's your choice but all will depend of your friends who you play with or Clan and it will be very simple if you can play with them .
I have 2 Questions for GM
First: What will happen if somebody who is PP main make retail BP and sub it to PP with horn and then play on PP stats his retail PP/BP is there any problems whit skills or something .
Second : If i am human mage as main then sub Retail HE and take WL for DN sub so HE/WL what skin it will have Mage like main or Fighter like both of classes in DN sub
Question 1: No problem whatsoever since you will have 3rd class bishop (cardinal) you will sub into hierophant.
Question 2: Mage skin - another example your a dwarf main go retail HE then take WL dn sub you will still look like a dwarf as HE/WL.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 29, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
SUX system. Look Poll !!!!! Btw, if we all gonna play like that, RPG-CLUB or DEX are best server's ! I dont see point to destroy Dragon Network sub population ! Dont make Dragon Network to foking sh1t server like always ! DRAKE HELP US ! :D
OMG leave man, you have 4 other servers with beloved old subsystem, more only retail servers just shut up if you don't like combined one ...
dude, some ppl want to start all over WITH normal dnet subsystem
I think we need that system for oly but others are bullshits...
Quote from: Danoontje on April 29, 2010, 10:57:51 PM
dude, some ppl want to start all over WITH normal dnet subsystem
5th (6 with shadow) time the same? be serious, we live in a world of progress ...
yeah, starting in a world full of dnetarmors, good idea.
i could do that, if i donate like 200
i don't have words to describe how retarded idea it is...
Questions but anyway i think my clan not comming...
Quote
Rates
EXP rate: x9
SP rate: x12
spoil/drop: x3
Party EXP: 120%
quest rate: x10
is fine..
QuoteIcarus weapons
They will not be at the donation manager. Icarus weapons are only available through crafting.
but S grade allowed? and gems and crys lvl 12, 13??
QuoteValkyria-Dn sub system
As you can see from the poll result dn sub will be staying but with a new system.
Let me explain how it will work.
Every character will beable to dn sub three times, once on every retail subclass it has.
For example, you started as a dwarf lets say bounty hunter and took retail subclass hawkeye, now once you have reached level 80 and obtained 3rd class you can go to our subclass manager named Astral in Aden and request to take a stacking class. The classes you will beable to choose from will depend on the race you took as retail.
For example, you took Blade dancer as retail sub, classes you can choose for stacking sub will be from the Dark Elf race. As mentioned when you take dn sub what happens normally on other DN servers is you will lose xp, but not on Valkyria, you will keep whatever level your on and your newly taken subclass will be on 3rd class too.
Obviously a Golkonda horn is required for EACH sub, so 1 character needs 3 horns if he/she wants to take sub on each retail class. Kamaels can sub only to their own race so they have very limited option but its possible for them to have subs too now.
What?? u fvck the server.. and make alots of player leave it..
QuoteSo this means your original class can not take dn sub. We took this decision so you can enjoy Lineage 2 differently from all the other DN servers. We have restricted some areas where you can only go in with your main class (single class). There you will have to rethink who to take to your party, no more one man army or super damage dealers.
We dont want this shit! we want DN sub stak! main+subStack and 2 or 3 Retaild+subStack.. w/o weapon/armor/Pasive mastery stack for balance server..
QuoteSo areas which will be locked to single class only:
All Catacombs and Necro
All of Hellbound
Valakas’ lair
Anthras’ lair
Frintezza’s room
Olympiad
so sieges, arena and some others site are only alowed for sub? pppfff.... and i wait weeks for this? who give u this freaky idea?
u know what want 80% of player who are waiting for this server?? balance server... w/o OP/OE weapon/armors.. no donations for crys lvl +10 and weapons S/S80. DNsub like 1 main+substack, and 2 or 3 retails+substack. NO more!! we dont want 1 main w/o substak for make more funy pvps at catas/neros and olys! if we find some like this i will find a server w/o DN net!
70% of the amount of player that are waiting for this server dont log in forun.. and dont vote.. so this pools are not words of all of this.
in others words... we want a server like Dragon 15x w/o donators! and mutans. If o ofert this u will see more like 1,5k of players sure.. SURE!
sorry but u lost 40 players who thing back to play lineage from 2 years of dont play just for this "rulz"... GL whit ur server.
EDIT:
Sorry i forget..
Sorry for me bad english.. try to understand pliz :S
This system is good idea.....
BUT!!!!! EVERYBODY who came to this valkyria server EXPECTED dn subs.
If you keep like this you are hurting half the server, if you change to DN subs you are hurting nobody....
This sytem is very good idea i admit but not everybody have time to have fun and play with this style!!!
To people who cry blablabla ya more team playing. It still requires team playing to fight in normal DNet style! but less boring!!!!
Quote from: Sokrates on April 29, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
i don't have words to describe how retarded idea it is...
lol... is the firts time that im in the site of 1 exidium... o.O
Quote from: Boolets on April 29, 2010, 11:33:41 PM
This system is good idea.....
BUT!!!!! EVERYBODY who came to this valkyria server EXPECTED dn subs.
If you keep like this you are hurting half the server, if you change to DN subs you are hurting nobody....
This sytem is very good idea i admit but not everybody have time to have fun and play with this style!!!
To people who cry blablabla ya more team playing. It still requires team playing to fight in normal DNet style! but less boring!!!!
+1 for ur words... is a good idea.. but 80% or more ppl that are somming here dont want it... want DN substack system w/o mutants..
OMG that rtard system features.... gg dn sub for faster farm MSS in BS?, or every epic fight do we with dn sub and after fast clan gate there for change back to main....
whats the sense of DN sub?
Quote from: Denzo on April 29, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
OMG that rtard system features.... gg dn sub for faster farm MSS in BS?, or every epic fight do we with dn sub and after fast clan gate there for change back to main....
whats the sense of DN sub?
I asked exactly the same.
And the answer: nothing. You don't need stacksubs, makeing staksubs here are pointless, not worth the time.
I didn't like the idea too
gl with server
Some nice ideas, but u didnt think it through.
U would balance oly. +1
Limiting epic bosses is good,+1. Maybe should be NPC at entrance, one changing your class automatically as u enter the lair. After u leave, automatically back to subclasses. Same with baium.
No good limiting dungeons and hellbound, big part of pvp is there. And ppl are spending allot of time there. Everyone wants to have subclass all the time, not only sometimes, -5. Figure out some other way to get rid of botters.
Noone wants 1 man army. But this is because dualbox is allowed, not because sub system.
Do not allow dualbox at all. It is the reason why ppl play alone, not DN sub.
Just code the game so u cant log in more than 1 account with the same IP.
DN sub should be on main char, not on retail, -1
U are making very very hard for some ppl to make decent char if they will 1st need to make retail and lvl again till 80.. Not everyone can exp 1-80 in a week. Some ppl have life.
Maybe make oly only for retail class? And keep main for DNsub and PVP/sieges.
Nice idea on making some items "soulbound" lets say,+1 I dunno why NCsoft didnt implement it in the game. But should be same with all items. Lets say, once u unseal armor, u cant trade it anymore. When u put SA on item, u cant trade it anymore.
I dont like your coin system too much, should stay like it is on retail. Ppl like to collect mats, and craft. Its nice part of the game and it gives it depth.
All in all, ppl want new dragon15x. U cant deny it was one of the best servers ever.
Even if Drake would just wipe whole database and made fresh start on dragon, it would get more ppl that u will get now on valkyria.
Quote from: Srecko on April 30, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
Some nice ideas, but u didnt think it through.
U would balance oly. +1
Limiting epic bosses is good,+1. Maybe should be NPC at entrance, one changing your class automatically as u enter the lair. After u leave, automatically back to subclasses. Same with baium.
No good limiting dungeons and hellbound, big part of pvp is there. And ppl are spending allot of time there. Everyone wants to have subclass all the time, not only sometimes, -5. Figure out some other way to get rid of botters.
Noone wants 1 man army. But this is because dualbox is allowed, not because sub system.
Do not allow dualbox at all. It is the reason why ppl play alone, not DN sub.
Just code the game so u cant log in more than 1 account with the same IP.
DN sub should be on main char, not on retail, -1
U are making very very hard for some ppl to make decent char if they will 1st need to make retail and lvl again till 80.. Not everyone can exp 1-80 in a week. Some ppl have life.
Maybe make oly only for retail class? And keep main for DNsub and PVP/sieges.
Nice idea on making some items "soulbound" lets say,+1 I dunno why NCsoft didnt implement it in the game. But should be same with all items. Lets say, once u unseal armor, u cant trade it anymore. When u put SA on item, u cant trade it anymore.
I dont like your coin system too much, should stay like it is on retail. Ppl like to collect mats, and craft. Its nice part of the game and it gives it depth.
All in all, ppl want new dragon15x. U cant deny it was one of the best servers ever.
Even if Drake would just wipe whole database and made fresh start on dragon, it would get more ppl that u will get now on valkyria.
Couldnt have said it better myself
You don't get the fact, that MASS PVP is the thing everybody wants here. Sieges are not enough... :/ We want good pvp for epics too... If we wanted a server to just make some pvp on bs/varka to get frags, we would go to some high rate server... But what we all love in l2 is mass pvp, organised pvp actions, like fighting for valakas/antharas, that's why we were waiting for this server for about 2 months. Why do you care so much, if we kill vala/anthy with subbed char or not... I don't get it. You prefer to loose so many players? Limiting Catas/Necro and HB is bad idea too because these are the places where we spend most of our time... Ppl will have to switch between subs like 874239759238932 times per day, any time they want to go somewhere else...The old sub system was perfect, the thing we needed was just NO DONATION and that would be enough rlly, but now ehhh... (90% of my friends are not going to join your server now and I was hoping to play with old crew :/)
n1 fail, for real, couldn't expected worst even from dn
Quote from: Bav3 on April 30, 2010, 01:32:28 AM
i still dont get what is the point to have sub if u cant use it in half areas ::)
and stupid thing is u make q for example in varka and clan call u for pvp in hb u have to switch class
the best thing will be main just in oly, and retail(subbed) in all other areas
cuz .. gms just fuked us with this info :D now we know what diffrence subsystem we will have ! just u can use subclass for pvp in varka ,,,, in other action, place u`ll play with ur main char w/o subclass .. gz i was rdy to join this server 100% now im sure on 99% i`ll leave xD
My reasons for possibly playing on Valkyira:
- old, perfectly fine sub-system but with no freaking mutants
- (again) no freaking mutants!!
- no custom DNET sets
- GMs that actually read the forums (almost changed my mind about this, but not now)
- GMs that could type English well enough that I can read their posts and completely understand them without re-reading them 10 times
People will say, "Go play other servers with old system!!1" Well I say, "freak you." I have played on them, and they suck. They're full of lightsabers and cokcsuckers (GMs included).
This server was (in my opinion) going to be a great way to start fresh. All of us were going to start as noobs, level up on our own time, make money while being offline, and maybe get the stack-sub before the first month (with the shortened Golky-spawn) was over.
But now there's no point in subbing. Too much work and too little reward. I feel like this is the biggest Rick Roll ever.
HE or some mage with lvl 9 atribut will be 1-3 sec pvp with rest ... cus no passive m def .. or reflect arrow from sub and atribute system isnt solvet from making 90 def to 150 cus on wepon you have 450 and its only s grade and all will be having main class plus dual buffer no one will play bd . sws. pp only on duals cus you still can have it .
Quote from: nuszka16 on April 30, 2010, 01:20:12 AM
You don't get the fact, that MASS PVP is the thing everybody wants here. Sieges are not enough... :/ We want good pvp for epics too... If we wanted a server to just make some pvp on bs/varka to get frags, we would go to some high rate server... But what we all love in l2 is mass pvp, organised pvp actions, like fighting for valakas/antharas, that's why we were waiting for this server for about 2 months. Why do you care so much, if we kill vala/anthy with subbed char or not... I don't get it. You prefer to loose so many players? Limiting Catas/Necro and HB is bad idea too because these are the places where we spend most of our time... Ppl will have to switch between subs like 874239759238932 times per day, any time they want to go somewhere else...The old sub system was perfect, the thing we needed was just NO DONATION and that would be enough rlly, but now ehhh... (90% of my friends are not going to join your server now and I was hoping to play with old crew :/)
lol +20 <.<
Quote from: Terabithia on April 30, 2010, 02:57:50 AM
the stupidest thing is there are players who voted and they arent going to play in server just to f2ck the votes lol ...
+1 -.-
Best idea is to just remove zone limits. Make all zones available to stack sub. Its nice to keep the subs this way for oly but thats it. If keep like how i say is good, making sub will be worth the effort, and marketplace will be good because people will trade armors for subs most likely. Everybody is happy :-*
Quote from: Boolets on April 30, 2010, 05:23:11 AM
Best idea is to just remove zone limits. Make all zones available to stack sub. Its nice to keep the subs this way for oly but thats it. If keep like how i say is good, making sub will be worth the effort, and marketplace will be good because people will trade armors for subs most likely. Everybody is happy :-*
will be worth the effort? for what pvp at BS? or varka? ppff...
Yea i Think it could be better if the only place your sub's cant go is in oly everywhere else they should be aloud.
But the Server is still going to kick ass :D. If you are going to leave because of it don't spam in chat because it wont change anything just leave and shut up, NO ONE CARES
Quote from: MumM on April 30, 2010, 05:26:38 AM
will be worth the effort? for what pvp at BS? or varka? ppff...
I dont think you understand what i said...
Keep subs how they are
Remove Zone restrictions (epics, hb, cata/necro)
Keep Oly restriction to main class only.
Meaning It will be worth it to make sub because you can go everywhere....except oly.
Quote from: Boolets on April 30, 2010, 05:32:02 AM
I dont think you understand what i said...
Keep subs how they are
Remove Zone restrictions (epics, hb, cata/necro)
Keep Oly restriction to main class only.
Meaning It will be worth it to make sub because you can go everywhere....except oly.
sorry, i understand what u say.. and i like the same idea. no zone restriction (epics, hb, cata/necro) and keep the idea of olis.. i dont have others problems about this "sistem" i (and my clan) want just a simple DN-subsistem, w/o areas restriction for subsStacks. To all my clan the allow just the main w/o stack in Olys is pretty cool!! the problems is this shit of restrictions.. no more.
L2 = team work, u didn't understand it yet ?! So GTFO !!!
no1 cares about ur faking crys topics RLY !!
Quote from: Protector on April 30, 2010, 06:16:01 AM
L2 = team work, u didn't understand it yet ?! So GTFO !!!
no1 cares about ur faking crys topics RLY !!
i understand very well... but i think that u dont see the point. GMs give some info about server, and now change all.. why do that? knowing that all ppl applauded when him say "DN subSistem" why change all? now i cant go to a cata or necro be coz GMs want "team work" i want team work whit my subStack! what is the problem here? try/destro? nerf the fukings tottems whitout first and its all!! anyway 4 destro kill baium in 30/40 mins w/o substack.. so i dont see the point.
sorry but the server will lost a big amount of ppl, just for this stupid shit.
Quote from: MumM on April 30, 2010, 06:24:27 AM
i understand very well... but i think that u dont see the point. GMs give some info about server, and now change all.. why do that? knowing that all ppl applauded when him say "DN subSistem" why change all? now i cant go to a cata or necro be coz GMs want "team work" i want team work whit my subStack! what is the problem here? try/destro? nerf the fukings tottems whitout first and its all!! anyway 4 destro kill baium in 30/40 mins w/o substack.. so i dont see the point.
sorry but the server will lost a big amount of ppl, just for this stupid shit.
mby u in 1 day start to use brain and u will see that all of this what gm's do it is for "KEEPING THIS FAKING SERVER ALIVE" not like with other 3... where is the point to start from zero on new DN server with same rules ? and what u will play 1-2 years and again all wil faked up... and server die like all others
This system is huge work for clans, this system will prove rly who are pro's and who are simply noobs
U can say: "where i will use my substack?" u have 90% of faking L2 world to use it. L2 is not only valky / anthy / hb / cata .... u have big amount of others rbs << they are immportant also
And about PvP what i see now those who cry cry cry they are for 99% kidds who think pvp is only "F1" "F1" "F1" then " o fak i'm low hp "then F2 - F12" ( "F2-F12" read as a faking RETURN ) if u rly don't see the posibblity of that new system u are simply noobs and if ur clan don't come here becose of this just GTFO becose any way u will be just a nice free frags
I can't understand 1 thing plz tell me isn't new substack system w/o substack :D 1. i cant use substack on my main . 2 .from 1 this mean i cant use substack in oly . 3. I need to exp again main + quest for retail on 9x and no1 think when ppl start to killing baium this will be very hard ( and after all this ) i can exp retail , horn and then u can take ur final substack . 4 but here is fun parts U CANT USE UR SUB for cata , necro , hb, and others epic >< mean i can't go anywhere with this sub ...
p.s. i come here for fun , for easy gameplay because substack need to be 2 in 1 , 2in1 mean when no1 want to play with support to make dd and support in one char , i don't see here this >< i see here retail like oly , hard bosses , hard ica items no fun on epics pvp im not sure this will keep server alive because this will be substack server w/o substack like u see ><
And 1 think to gm when i ask u why u make it 9x u tell us don't worry for exp u will make main on 9x exp but ur sub will be same lvl (nice joke ). Now i need to exp main on 9x after that retail and then i will have ur words ..
Quote from: Nasko on April 30, 2010, 06:56:55 AM
I can't understand 1 thing plz tell me isn't new substack system w/o substack :D 1. i cant use substack on my main . 2 .from 1 this mean i cant use substack in oly . 3. I need to exp again main + quest for retail on 9x and no1 think when ppl start to killing baium this will be very hard ( and after all this ) i can exp retail , horn and then u can take ur final substack . 4 but here is fun parts U CANT USE UR SUB for cata , necro , hb, and others epic >< mean i can't go anywhere with this sub ...
p.s. i come here for fun , for easy gameplay because substack need to be 2 in 1 , 2in1 mean when no1 want to play with support to make dd and support in one char , i don't see here this >< i see here retail like oly , hard bosses , hard ica items no fun on epics pvp im not sure this will keep server alive because this will be substack server w/o substack like u see ><
And 1 think to gm when i ask u why u make it 9x u tell us don't worry for exp u will make main on 9x exp but ur sub will be same lvl (nice joke ). Now i need to exp main on 9x after that retail and then i will have ur words ..
+1 100% agree
I dont have the time to read all previous pages of crying.
This will be a teamplay server, there wont be any 1 man army with buffers only.
You will gonna have to think what class is going to be good for party.
Cry cry cry.
Lets hope that the admins wont listen, and server will keep this new good sub system.
Quote from: Bav3 on April 30, 2010, 01:32:28 AM
i still dont get what is the point to have sub if u cant use it in half areas ::)
and stupid thing is u make q for example in varka and clan call u for pvp in hb u have to switch class
the best thing will be main just in oly, and retail(subbed) in all other areas
dont forget they want keep sarvar alive.. how? DONATION!!! svetinikola stop with ur bullshit.. and make normal sarvar to ppls.
u cant go hb/valakas/antaharas so where is fun in sarvar? cant learn fs on retail bullshit .. its like official..
and exp to 80 lvlu need 3 mouth lol.
SVETINIKOLA ur ideas is so bad.. there is dragon-network.. not official.. so only 1 work SHITSSSSSSSSSSSS
Quote from: Hateful on April 30, 2010, 08:04:55 AM
I dont have the time to read all previous pages of crying.
This will be a teamplay server, there wont be any 1 man army with buffers only.
You will gonna have to think what class is going to be good for party.
Cry cry cry.
Lets hope that the admins wont listen, and server will keep this new good sub system.
nobody cry here , i just tell what i see and im sure i see correctly this situation new sub stack system is w/o substack :D
p.s. And i ask gm's here im sure all ppl will want to know this, is for community . With what u will bring more ppl i really want to know that , how u think to bring ppl here when this will be substack w/o sub on main and u can't use ur stack sub class only for siege (no epics , hb , oly ). And who retail player will come to play server with stacksub - for retail sub ..
you guys dont see that Gm's dont really care about what we say here...no1 chose this system no1 even mentioned no1 is agree but it happend ,better save your "finger power " for later on when server start....
Quote from: Nasko on April 30, 2010, 06:56:55 AM
I can't understand 1 thing plz tell me isn't new substack system w/o substack :D 1. i cant use substack on my main . 2 .from 1 this mean i cant use substack in oly . 3. I need to exp again main + quest for retail on 9x and no1 think when ppl start to killing baium this will be very hard ( and after all this ) i can exp retail , horn and then u can take ur final substack . 4 but here is fun parts U CANT USE UR SUB for cata , necro , hb, and others epic >< mean i can't go anywhere with this sub ...
p.s. i come here for fun , for easy gameplay because substack need to be 2 in 1 , 2in1 mean when no1 want to play with support to make dd and support in one char , i don't see here this >< i see here retail like oly , hard bosses , hard ica items no fun on epics pvp im not sure this will keep server alive because this will be substack server w/o substack like u see ><
And 1 think to gm when i ask u why u make it 9x u tell us don't worry for exp u will make main on 9x exp but ur sub will be same lvl (nice joke ). Now i need to exp main on 9x after that retail and then i will have ur words ..
+2 100% agreee GMs get back your brain OMG
Quote from: Sowell on April 30, 2010, 08:32:42 AM
you guys dont see that Gm's dont really care about what we say here...no1 chose this system no1 even mentioned no1 is agree but it happend ,better save your "finger power " for later on when server start....
We know that d/w i just want to see . Because im sure they want ppl here, for grow for donate and w/e they know what they want , but they don't know how to make it ... Now they don't see all ppl will want to make sub >< but after clans grow baium will be dead nostop and they will lose many ppl who can't make subs . Second when ppl will leave ... ok who will play with no-range class or support? i mean dagger , wld , glady , tanks, dwarfs , summoners , fist , nobody will play there classes ... u can't go with this class anywhere for this u cant find a good clan no1 will want this char in pvp retail like style for epics and if some1 want to start this class he will leave after he look for clan , and clan tell him sorry u ar useless ... And with what this system will keep server alive i can't understand some1 if can tell me will be cool..
Quote from: EDDIE666 on April 30, 2010, 08:34:24 AM
+2 100% agree GMs get back your brain OMG
MAYBE YOU DON'T SEE THE POINT LIKE OTHER HATERS, THIS SERVER IS FOR ONES WITH BRAINS
FIRST OF ALL: ppl have to choose ONE char to play with ! NO ONE MAN ARMY if you dont understand BB..
SECOND: whats the pleasure in making char in 1-2 weeks, then playing max 3-4 months and eventually leave because of boredom? If you wanna another PvP server like dragon... BB
THIRD: if you do not understand team play where everyone decides one char no matter if its support or fighting class you better get out because ITS THE BEST FUN ... I dont get the point when ppl go 1 vs 1 with subed bots on back with L2W mostly and think they are pro... wanna have fun on this server - join the clan or... BB
FOURTH: maybe ppl don't remember or they weren't playing DN few years ago but it was time when SUBed char was very special because not everyone had it and because of this ppl played longer and the game was worth it. SO again if you dont want L2 like in old C3-C4 times then BB... go PvP servers I dont care...
... just like GMs because they have decided long time ago its the best way to avoid stupidness and other issues on the beginning...
... AND FOR SAKE OF EVERYONE STOP COMPLAYING... AT THE END ALL OF YOU WILL PLAY HERE ANYWAY -__-
how abou keeping valkyria this way. And re-open Raven >< then everyone is happy ^^
I wonder who will be able to kill baium on main class, how many destro sws bd bp active ppl will need to kill that rb :o to get retail ;D GF
MB i am wrong, but u dont need to kill baium for retal.... only hit him ones with that knife not?
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 30, 2010, 09:06:03 AM
MAYBE YOU DON'T SEE THE POINT LIKE OTHER HATERS, THIS SERVER IS FOR ONES WITH BRAINS
FIRST OF ALL: ppl have to choose ONE char to play with ! NO ONE MAN ARMY if you dont understand BB..]
y u r very smart man ;D plisss find for me ppl who will wont to play sws or bd (that char neeeed rly big brain) ::)
Quote from: Danoontje on April 30, 2010, 09:14:58 AM
MB i am wrong, but u dont need to kill baium for retal.... only hit him ones with that knife not?
good point my bad :D but for me get retail was hit and always kill that fooker ;p but nvm it will be funny all ppl from server will cooming to toi13 only for wake baium ;]
anyway i will try that fun in here :)
Honestly the idea is pretty good and i would like to see it implemented on the whole network
Quote from: Derailed on April 30, 2010, 09:12:37 AM
I wonder who will be able to kill baium on main class, how many destro sws bd bp active ppl will need to kill that rb :o to get retail ;D GF
and this is how ppl think... becouse always u just could call 2 ty/de sws/ee pp/bd and just own baium...u think is good?? its is faking lame... now try use brain and gather more ppl to kill some bosses... big bosses are made to be killed by full ally not just by 1 faking clan... what is pleasure u gather 30-40ppl on antharas 50-60 valakas... now gather them 150+(at least till every1 will be good equipped xd) and u will see how it is possible to kill em with good cooperation...
restriction about cata... hmm i rlu dunno for example why is cry here after u reach lvl 80 mobs are anyway blue or they changed their lvl and i dont know??
true is that on hb after long time will be most pvp but mby it will be good? u anyway need go oly on ur main and u will train ur pvp skills instead of being on xx/yy 80/80.
at the end i anyway think that is still better play on 85lvl char than 80/80 ;p
i dont see why u ppl think now u will need to think what char to take with u in pt..
Everyone will still have at least 1 box. U will just invite ppl based on how many supports they can bring with them. And still that guy playing with his "brother" that have full buff 24/7 will get invited, not some poor guy that is good at using only 1 char.
As for the rest of server.. nothing changes. Still 1 man armies in every pvp, Ppl killing RB's alone, powerleveling alone again..
i dont think u will stop botters also..
This server will be different, but still main issues remain. And u cut lot of fun from the game trying to fix them.
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 09:59:50 AM
and this is how ppl think... becouse always u just could call 2 ty/de sws/ee pp/bd and just own baium...u think is good?? its is faking lame... now try use brain and gather more ppl to kill some bosses... big bosses are made to be killed by full ally not just by 1 faking clan... what is pleasure u gather 30-40ppl on antharas 50-60 valakas... now gather them 150+(at least till every1 will be good equipped xd) and u will see how it is possible to kill em with good cooperation...
restriction about cata... hmm i rlu dunno for example why is cry here after u reach lvl 80 mobs are anyway blue or they changed their lvl and i dont know??
true is that on hb after long time will be most pvp but mby it will be good? u anyway need go oly on ur main and u will train ur pvp skills instead of being on xx/yy 80/80.
at the end i anyway think that is still better play on 85lvl char than 80/80 ;p
Actually no need for 150 ppl if u have mana pots..
Just need some organization, and can be done with less than 50. Maybe with 30 ppl in my opinion. Even without DN sub.
Real problems starts when u dont have mana pots.. then u need 150 ppl.
Quote from: IvolveR on April 30, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Honestly the idea is pretty good and i would like to see it implemented on the whole network
yeah, surprised no one thought about it until now. for gm's .. it's the best idea you brought to valkyria from my point of view. GG !
Quote from: Srecko on April 30, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
Actually no need for 150 ppl if u have mana pots..
Just need some organization, and can be done with less than 50. Maybe with 30 ppl in my opinion. Even without DN sub.
Real problems starts when u dont have mana pots.. then u need 150 ppl.
30 ppl??:P rly?? xd lets think,,, for example party warriors ( archers) lets count supports wk,sws,bd ( i dont count profet or wc inside) so in 9 ppl party u have 3 buffers
lets think that u go with 4 pt = 36 ppl. in every party need to be at least 3 buffers... so 36- 3*4 = 24... u wanna tell me u will kill antharas with 24 ppl who will hit boss?takeing into consideration that it will take much till all of this ppl will be fully equipped with s grades...i would like to see how u doing this if only u go with 4 pt on anthy make frap plox:)
ah btw... mana pots wont help u... for example even full buffed mages can use lets tell 1k mp in hmm 5 sec>> and to get 500-600mp from pots u w8 30 sec:) this mp pots is usefull but still not enough to keep mp full on bosses
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 10:18:43 AM
30 ppl??:P rly?? xd lets think,,, for example party warriors ( archers) lets count supports wk,sws,bd ( i dont count profet or wc inside) so in 9 ppl party u have 3 buffers
lets think that u go with 4 pt = 36 ppl. in every party need to be at least 3 buffers... so 36- 3*4 = 24... u wanna tell me u will kill antharas with 24 ppl who will hit boss?takeing into consideration that it will take much till all of this ppl will be fully equipped with s grades...i would like to see how u doing this if only u go with 4 pt on anthy make frap plox:)
lol, we do it with 4 parties on retail, out of which 2 parties are high level (82-85) that kill angels and only 2 parties hit baium, and we do it in like 30 minutes. why do you need mana pots ? ever heard of EE / SE ? mana gain ? elixirs ? blessing of eva, sublime self sacrifice , even if you don't even need those on retail for baium.
Quote from: tzuc on April 30, 2010, 10:23:15 AM
lol, we do it with 4 parties on retail, out of which 2 parties are high level (82-85) that kill angels and only 2 parties hit baium, and we do it in like 30 minutes. why do you need mana pots ? ever heard of EE / SE ? mana gain ? elixirs ? blessing of eva, sublime self sacrifice , even if you don't even need those on retail for baium.
i was talking about valakas/anthy/frintezzza... baium is not any kind of strong boss and dunno if i remember well there werent any restriction that dn subbed char cant go inside baium...
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
i was talking about valakas/anthy/frintezzza... baium is not any kind of strong boss and dunno if i remember well there werent any restriction that dn subbed char cant go inside baium...
antharas is same - last time we went with 48 people. each party has it's own recharger, i'll post screens from home to see command channel. with enchanted clarity buff, enchanted EE mana recharge, mana gain, pow or chant of magnus. yeah you run out of mana sometimes but downtime on hitting boss is low. once bishops hit 83 and you have 2-3 bishops with sublime self sacrifice = FULL MANA / HP for all clan with 45 minutes cooldown.
and besides ... your argument is so flawed, almost all other servers out there have no dn sub, how do you think they kill antharas / valakas without mana / dnsub. ofcourse it's harder than dn sub but surely not impossible or even THAT hard.
Quote from: tzuc on April 30, 2010, 10:32:51 AM
antharas is same - last time we went with 48 people. each party has it's own recharger, i'll post screens from home to see command channel. with enchanted clarity buff, enchanted EE mana recharge, mana gain, pow or chant of magnus. yeah you run out of mana sometimes but downtime on hitting boss is low. once bishops hit 83 and you have 2-3 bishops with sublime self sacrifice = FULL MANA / HP for all clan with 45 minutes cooldown.
and besides ... your argument is so flawed, almost all other servers out there have no dn sub, how do you think they kill antharas / valakas without mana / dnsub. ofcourse it's harder than dn sub but surely not impossible or even THAT hard.
i dont tell its not impossible or sth just will be much more problem... and also... is not like comparing with retail and will be same. on retail u have x1 and before ppl lvl themselves they play a lot with eachothers and get much expirience in cooperation. here ppl will lvl fast and will take i think much time to get good cooperation with every1. well is my opinion
this ideea is very bad,my opinion,ppl come here for DN sub,they are already 1000000+ srv retail and all this sh1t.gl with this
Quote from: KissMeInUrDreams on April 29, 2010, 07:22:20 PM
Valki sub sux!!!!!.... who play in this server?
i'll play :)
Quote from: Moshu on April 30, 2010, 10:41:03 AM
this ideea is very bad,my opinion,ppl come here for DN sub,they are already 1000000+ srv retail and all this sh1t.gl with this
GTFO no one gives a shit
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
i dont tell its not impossible or sth just will be much more problem... and also... is not like comparing with retail and will be same. on retail u have x1 and before ppl lvl themselves they play a lot with eachothers and get much expirience in cooperation. here ppl will lvl fast and will take i think much time to get good cooperation with every1. well is my opinion
well that's what separates good players from average players or really casual players. you're good and can teamplay, clan will recruit you.
p.s. i see here posts from people with < 100 posts, most of them done on Valkyiria sub forums who don't agree of this system, while older people who have played infy, dragon or nightmare and know the problems of the nromal system support the GM's .
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 10:18:43 AM
30 ppl??:P rly?? xd lets think,,, for example party warriors ( archers) lets count supports wk,sws,bd ( i dont count profet or wc inside) so in 9 ppl party u have 3 buffers
lets think that u go with 4 pt = 36 ppl. in every party need to be at least 3 buffers... so 36- 3*4 = 24... u wanna tell me u will kill antharas with 24 ppl who will hit boss?takeing into consideration that it will take much till all of this ppl will be fully equipped with s grades...i would like to see how u doing this if only u go with 4 pt on anthy make frap plox:)
ah btw... mana pots wont help u... for example even full buffed mages can use lets tell 1k mp in hmm 5 sec>> and to get 500-600mp from pots u w8 30 sec:) this mp pots is usefull but still not enough to keep mp full on bosses
Hey, why not come with pt of dwarfs? :D
Now seriously, have u ever killed some epic? If u did i bet it was dragon style, u just zerged her every man for himself.
I bet u were one of the ppl screaming "cheaters" when they killed it with 20 ppl. Well, using brain isnt against server rules, u know.
I have 1 more Question for GMs : If my main class is PP 85 lvl 3rd class and my retail BP subed on PP- PP/BP is 80 lvl with 3rd class too and i play on PP stats my Retail how i will change to Main if both are PPs with 3rd class when i go to NPC what will happen do i have options to choose from 2 PPs or it will be some other way. I mean do somehow game will make difference between my retail PP and my main PP , because now it looks that i am Main pp and retail PP which is impossible . How i will change between PP/BP when i am on PP first stats and main which is PP
Quote from: tzuc on April 30, 2010, 10:45:08 AM
p.s. i see here posts from people with < 100 posts, most of them done on Valkyrie sub forums who don't agree of this system, while older people who have played infy, dragon or nightmare and know the problems of the normal system support the GM's .
+100
Quote from: Srecko on April 30, 2010, 10:57:26 AM
Hey, why not come with pt of dwarfs? :D
Now seriously, have u ever killed some epic? If u did i bet it was dragon style, u just zerged her every man for himself.
I bet u were one of the ppl screaming "cheaters" when they killed it with 20 ppl. Well, using brain isnt against server rules, u know.
xddd funny... no i was never farming bosses xddd sry my bad.... well anthy/valy i sow only on fraps and some youtube clips xd
Quote from: MartinSVT on April 30, 2010, 11:33:06 AM
I have 1 more Question for GMs : If my main class is PP 85 lvl 3rd class and my retail BP subed on PP- PP/BP is 80 lvl with 3rd class too and i play on PP stats my Retail how i will change to Main if both are PPs with 3rd class when i go to NPC what will happen do i have options to choose from 2 PPs or it will be some other way. I mean do somehow game will make difference between my retail PP and my main PP , because now it looks that i am Main pp and retail PP which is impossible . How i will change between PP/BP when i am on PP first stats and main which is PP
well this is very good questions there were always problems on infi and other servers with this... wondering if thay solved it...
So HB in main class, and C4 in retail
What is point of sub w/o fs
Any way i wish u all the best ( to Dadija also ^^ )
Ok. It's my opinion about this DN sub System. I have few Questyion.
1. If main clas can't be subbed, so Hero will sux vs SubbedChar... You think about it?
2. If i start on Main SWS or BHP, can i make on retail SR/SWS? or PAL/BHP? For example can i have in my sub same char like on main clas?
Quote from: Navaro on April 30, 2010, 11:57:44 AM
Ok. It's my opinion about this DN sub System. I have few Questyion.
1. If main clas can't be subbed, so Hero will sux vs SubbedChar... You think about it?
2. If i start on Main SWS or BHP, can i make on retail SR/SWS? or PAL/BHP? For example can i have in my sub same char like on main clas?
1. i think lvl 85lvl char can be stronger than 80/80
2. this still no1 know on other server if u made sws retail sr and subbed on sws and played on sws was problem cuz char crashed... dunno if gms did sth with this
sounds great to me cant wait to play
and who ever dont like it can simply
GO EAT A dk! and GTFO
Quote from: undertaker22 on April 30, 2010, 12:09:55 PM
sounds great to me cant wait to play
and who ever dont like it can simply
GO EAT A dk! and GTFO
+1
best idea since DN was born, at least in case of Olymipad.
about HB / EPICS / CATA at main.. hmm, we will see how it will go... ;)
Quote from: undertaker22 on April 30, 2010, 12:09:55 PM
sounds great to me cant wait to play
and who ever dont like it can simply
GO EAT A dk! and GTFO
+1
Here's following my opinion :
Limitations about olympiads will be just great ! finally no more uber powered chars but only pure pvp in a fair 1 vs 1 with your main class , so people finally will stop complaining about it
- The true problem wich makes people so agry is that , they'r too stupid or just too much unskilled to party up in dungeons like Hb - Catas without their beloved substack...Honestly I don't know guys how you come out with those posts , do you think normally l2 servers have the stacksub so your farm is faster ? Have you ever played a server without subs ? if not , test it until valkyria is definitely up
- The other side ... maybe restrinctions are a way too heavy , don't forget we play here 'cause of your system , maybe don't close too many dungeons for subbed chars...otherwise you would ruin a part of the fun we had here , afterall substack system is funnier than retail system...Be sure about what you'r locking and what not
Quote from: Vax on April 30, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
xddd funny... no i was never farming bosses xddd sry my bad.... well anthy/valy i sow only on fraps and some youtube clips xd
then sry, didnt know that, u seemed like u are talking from your own experience.
Now u know it is possible to kill epic even on retail with less than 50 ppl.
With superb organization and discipline might be possible with much less.
Quote from: Dhart on April 30, 2010, 12:20:48 PM
Here's following my opinion :
Limitations about olympiads will be just great ! finally no more uber powered chars but only pure pvp in a fair 1 vs 1 with your main class , so people finally will stop complaining about it
- The true problem wich makes people so agry is that , they'r too stupid or just too much unskilled to party up in dungeons like Hb - Catas without their beloved substack...Honestly I don't know guys how you come out with those posts , do you think normally l2 servers have the stacksub so your farm is faster ? Have you ever played a server without subs ? if not , test it until valkyria is definitely up
- The other side ... maybe restrinctions are a way too heavy , don't forget we play here 'cause of your system , maybe don't close too many dungeons for subbed chars...otherwise you would ruin a part of the fun we had here , afterall substack system is funnier than retail system...Be sure about what you'r locking and what not
Big problem in this restriction system is that people will have to change subs constantly, and always carry around 2 sets of armors and 2 weapons. big PITA
Quote from: Torn on April 29, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Why you miss your l2w army and no needed for party , just log>log 5-10 boxes> farm to the bone alone. Well wrong server you choose then.Lineage is team play game, and we will do evetything to make it and also to balance game as much as we can for everyone, if you dont understand point of this , i am really sorry but i cant draw to you. And tell me just 1 reason why main class cant pvp vs other main class? Is it forbidden? We said something about it? Finally pvp wont last 1-3 sec no more.
Anyway enjoy your flames we said when we are opening server, good luck to everyone, cya ingame.
i rly like it, now all char's are usefull.... not only tyr/destro+ WC + BD on box... ;d
Quote from: Boolets on April 30, 2010, 12:26:42 PM
Big problem in this restriction system is that people will have to change subs constantly, and always carry around 2 sets of armors and 2 weapons. big PITA
Who says they have to? Nobody forcing you.
You people are acting like you can't play or PvP with only 1 class, lol
Seriously, learn to play.
Besides! Having subbed chars and unsubbed chars run around is kinda funny, and would remind many of old days, you create a huge diversity in the gameplay that way, plus! You never know what to expect.
Quote from: Protector on April 30, 2010, 06:38:32 AM
mby u in 1 day start to use brain and u will see that all of this what gm's do it is for "KEEPING THIS FAKING SERVER ALIVE" not like with other 3... where is the point to start from zero on new DN server with same rules ? and what u will play 1-2 years and again all wil faked up... and server die like all others
This system is huge work for clans, this system will prove rly who are pro's and who are simply noobs
U can say: "where i will use my substack?" u have 90% of faking L2 world to use it. L2 is not only valky / anthy / hb / cata .... u have big amount of others rbs << they are immportant also
And about PvP what i see now those who cry cry cry they are for 99% kidds who think pvp is only "F1" "F1" "F1" then " o fak i'm low hp "then F2 - F12" ( "F2-F12" read as a faking RETURN ) if u rly don't see the posibblity of that new system u are simply noobs and if ur clan don't come here becose of this just GTFO becose any way u will be just a nice free frags
and u`ll play 20 years or more on this server ?:<> hf
Quote from: Protector on April 30, 2010, 06:38:32 AM
L2 is not only valky / anthy / hb / cata .... u have big amount of others rbs << they are immportant also
well dude i play l2 just for pvp and epic rbs
i remember in c4 we all day only pvp for any epic was amazing :D 8) :-*
i like this settings,
but what concerns me:
what will happen when your alliance switch to mainclass and go for Vala and other ally will just camp Klein with all chars on subclasses. you have no chance to enter if number of ppl will be +- same because 50 subs vs 50 normals is kinda unbalanced.
this will end in way that all will just farm pvp points near epics not letting anyone go inside and kill it ;)
Quote from: nolimits on April 30, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
i like this settings,
but what concerns me:
what will happen when your alliance switch to mainclass and go for Vala and other ally will just camp Klein with all chars on subclasses. you have no chance to enter if number of ppl will be +- same because 50 subs vs 50 normals is kinda unbalanced.
this will end in way that all will just farm pvp points near epics not letting anyone go inside and kill it ;)
difficult = true
impossible = not
hmm... big mass pvp maybe for hours and noone gets to kill the boss until totally defeating other ally...
yea, ure right, really sounds boring... ::)
Quote from: Srecko on April 30, 2010, 02:27:15 PM
hmm... big mass pvp maybe for hours and noone gets to kill the boss until totally defeating other ally...
yea, ure right, really sounds boring... ::)
:D this is other side of coin ;)
so epics will be decided on who can last online longer XD
Quote from: Cireneu on April 30, 2010, 01:18:10 PM
difficult = true
impossible = not
zerg pwn you mean? :P
awesome idea for oly... and for hellbound and epic raids just in main maybe will be a cool way to blow away the actual boring situations.... =D
ppl will need buffers and healers as main... and there U will see the real good players...
Quote from: Furesy on April 30, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
Who says they have to? Nobody forcing you.
You people are acting like you can't play or PvP with only 1 class, lol
Seriously, learn to play.
Besides! Having subbed chars and unsubbed chars run around is kinda funny, and would remind many of old days, you create a huge diversity in the gameplay that way, plus! You never know what to expect.
+100
i really like ur posts ;)
Quote from: Horknuth on April 30, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
What TORN tell on this topic and POLL ?
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I dont see " I dont like new sub system" option :P
Quote from: nolimits on April 30, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
i like this settings,
but what concerns me:
what will happen when your alliance switch to mainclass and go for Vala and other ally will just camp Klein with all chars on subclasses. you have no chance to enter if number of ppl will be +- same because 50 subs vs 50 normals is kinda unbalanced.
this will end in way that all will just farm pvp points near epics not letting anyone go inside and kill it ;)
Me 2,I like most part features choosen to this server but....!!!!
What giving me some doubts, its about restrictd areas like EPIC nest, because u cant count on retail sub to these events to kill the epic boss.
I mean...In retail like servers,when u'll have to go for epic and manage ur clan/party in the right way, many ppl will not play with Main class only but, with the class its necessary!This mean that if ur main class its useless in that circumstance ,u will have still 3 Options to become usefull! YOUR retails!Then u will go to switch on any of ur retail usefull to ur party/ clan in that moment.
With retails substacked and current limitation these 3 options doesnt exist for epic killing.
And what about pvp close to epic teleports? U must be there with Retail to go in but... Outside the nest,u can use Stacked class to pvp.Still i cant figure out how it will be oO?...
Maybe u GMs should consider to put switch class NPC close to epic teleport i guess :)
To EmoCryers think about this : Main class will be supported by>> MP POTS<<,custom pots(p atk, m atk, p def bla bla bla),and custom DN tatoos, this wont be rly retail like server style, these items will make big difference, u'll see.