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Title: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Marinella on October 05, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
forget about it, it will be "archer"  server in few weeks and server will die
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
Big bullshit to be honest :)

Those mages obviously lacked Chant of Protection / Song of Windstorm, and archer's can't kite anymore simply because Archery gives no range.(and the overall arrow attack range is bugged since HB)

Fight someone with the ability to buff himself properly and then will see.

My SWS/EE on fullbuffs doesn't get hurt by any archer, the only thing that kills me is being massively debuffed/cancelled, having a dozen vortexes on me or being mana burned to death. (or being attacked by 5x more people)

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Triuferkkk on October 05, 2009, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?


im playing mage bp/wc and what im not crying cuz of archers, they dont do so big crits if im well buffed, i still dont understand u


Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
Big bullshit to be honest :)

Those mages obviously lacked Chant of Protection / Song of Windstorm, and archer's can't kite anymore simply because Archery gives no range.(and the overall arrow attack range is bugged since HB)

Fight someone with the ability to buff himself properly and then will see.


yeah

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
Oh btw, I want to see you kite when Nito (wonder why he didn't use it?) gives you 100% landing blizzard lol
Maybe a block WW or Entangle as well, since they stack :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 05, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
If archers are that much better, can't you just reroll?
There are very few other mages complaining about archers being overpowered.

Imo you should go back to playing that weird sub you had in the beginning.... was it wl/pp? That was pwnage :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
Big bullshit to be honest :)

Those mages obviously lacked Chant of Protection / Song of Windstorm, and archer's can't kite anymore simply because Archery gives no range.(and the overall arrow attack range is bugged since HB)

Fight someone with the ability to buff himself properly and then will see.

My SWS/EE on fullbuffs doesn't get hurt by any archer, the only thing that kills me is being massively debuffed/cancelled, having a dozen vortexes on me or being mana burned to death. (or being attacked by 5x more people)


dude i said he was full buffed. he doesnt have any deflict arrow though. Wanna test maybe ? with any mage of urs even ur sws/ee with deflict arrow closed and see if u stand any chance ?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 05, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?



i really can't stand your topics anymore lol... nitopami and co. never have buffs against archers u can be sure of that... till u don't fight a proper mage pt or something just stfu cause with 6k+ p atk and duel might on bow i do 1k crit on random mages , 400-500 on mages/tank..
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
Oh btw, I want to see you kite when Nito (wonder why he didn't use it?) gives you 100% landing blizzard lol
Maybe a block WW or Entangle as well, since they stack :)

ofc he did. i was on blizzard most time. i just lost pof and dashed on self pp buffs and just did fine ...
I dont know why u just dont accept archers are OP and u keep repeating "proper buffs" as if me or Gladaf dunno how to buff ourselfs..
I actually provoke any mage without reflict arrow (or guess what even a ne/pal will die -not sure though- cause he ll hit me for 140 damage and he cant heal his ass) to pvp me on archer and prove me wrong
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Defoe on October 05, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
just wonder if that he/pp wasnt DrTibo with icarus+11 and duel might augment?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 05, 2009, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 01:17:27 PM
ofc he did. i was on blizzard most time. i just lost pof and dashed on self pp buffs and just did fine ...
I dont know why u just dont accept archers are OP and u keep repeating "proper buffs" as if me or Gladaf dunno how to buff ourselfs..
I actually provoke any mage without reflict arrow (or guess what even a ne/pal will die -not sure though- cause he ll hit me for 140 damage and he cant heal his ass) to pvp me on archer and prove me wrong
I accept your challenge  ;)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: cthon on October 05, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
i really can't stand your topics anymore lol... nitopami and co. never have buffs against archers u can be sure of that... till u don't fight a proper mage pt or something just stfu cause with 6k+ p atk and duel might on bow i do 1k crit on random mages , 400-500 on mages/tank..

Mark u know i love u but quit b1tching. After all u rerolled twice on archer no ? Why ?
U gonna teach me proper mage and buffs ? Bluecube was asking me about my setup cause of low dmg so what happened suddenly i forgot how to buff ?
I understand u dont wanna loose ur power its normal...

even if a tank mage lowers my dmg from archer to 1k guess what he hits back for 150 on full mage resists...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 05, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
Oh btw, I want to see you kite when Nito (wonder why he didn't use it?) gives you 100% landing blizzard lol
Maybe a block WW or Entangle as well, since they stack :)
like EE has entangle lol, shame on you !
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kang on October 05, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
I'll tell you a funny story with my archer yesterday.
You see, I'm lucky enough to have archer will which effectively increase the range "properly".
that is, i don't have 900 range like other archers (archery doesnt add anything) but more like 1K/1.1K

Well i was at a fortress and climbed up a tower, sniped (thats like 1300 range+ with archer will)

Started shooting ppl then a group of 5-6, quite far away from me started shooting back from the bottom. I couldn't reach them. With 1300 range. So either the terrain elevation reduce archer range (but not mages) either its completely bugged in ways I don't really figure out (I think thats the right answer xD because sometimes it works fine even on high positions)

otherwise, with counterdash,ai, and dash, while having blizzard and vortex i barely get above "normal speed" (no ai/dashes)

finally ofc hitting everyone 4-8K is pure bullshit. I hit mages in dc robe without any buff for 8K. I have 7800 patk and real full bufs (cat, etc included.  really full)
meaning ppl in dyna and real bufs get hit for barely 1K without tank sub.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 05, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 01:28:17 PM
Mark u know i love u but quit b1tching. After all u rerolled twice on archer no ? Why ?
U gonna teach me proper mage and buffs ? Bluecube was asking me about my setup cause of low dmg so what happened suddenly i forgot how to buff ?
I understand u dont wanna loose ur power its normal...

even if a tank mage lowers my dmg from archer to 1k guess what he hits back for 150 on full mage resists...

mark is mark and cthon is cthon.. mark has other account.. i see it's hard even to read a nick :(
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 05, 2009, 01:53:44 PM
and yeah, as defoe said, it was drtibo with ic +11 and might aug (not duel as far as i know), hence... take a mage with icarus +8/9 instead of AM+A+8 and empower aug passiv lvl 10 mb?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: our4n0s on October 05, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
like EE has entangle lol, shame on you !
Of course EE doesn't have entangle lol, I was talking about other slow debuffs which stack with blizzard.

I will ask Mason later to do a test with me, he crits way harder then anyone else, I would do it with my own char like before, but uhm... Due circumstances 'Furesy' is unavailable! (I never noticed DrTibo crit very hard anyway, not even with the +11 Icarus and his augment lol)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: seboulba on October 05, 2009, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
Of course EE doesn't have entangle lol, I was talking about other slow debuffs which stack with blizzard.

I will ask Mason later to do a test with me, he crits way harder then anyone else, I would do it with my own char like before, but uhm... Due circumstances 'Furesy' is unavailable! (I never noticed DrTibo crit very hard anyway, not even with the +11 Icarus and his augment lol)

yeah 539 was his max on bp/pal .....(on the back also :D)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?


I can read whole topic really, im kinda  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X of it, i have important exam to pass (they delayed it today what an assholes) so when and if i finish it (oh noes i hope i will or will be really bad) ill make event as i promised which will be test in same time and then we will see. However I dont think you are that much right, maybe a bit to boost mages but as i said we will see. Atm all my brain is out of l2, i barely sleep *why the freak i didnt sign pvt uni ill be already workin*, whatsoever we gonna fix everything just have faith and wait me , im here to help mi nithgmare pplz, so relax.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 05, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: mark_elesse on October 05, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
wha ?  wha ? Mark here ! that homie is Cthon,i just arrived back from Uni broooooh ! :D

dont hit on me, i wont comment your topics with sh1ts :D we tested together damages, so i kinda know everything clean. Archers on fullbuff > noob mages who uses they'r char only for Nuke. a Good mage > full buffed archer. THO, i mean sps/xx and tank subbed mages...You are right that necomancers are really really really freaked up.

<3  !    :)

because a necro should do sh1ty dmg cause of their tons of debuffs... why do u think ncsoft added dark resist on dyna sets ??? cause necro made a lot of dmg + sh1tloads of debuffs.. so they saw and fix it... so all the ones that play necro gtfo and use debuffs and luci dont tell me u want to use poisonous cloud and its not working cause u can piss on that debuff
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Dag on October 05, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
in culo alla balena per l 'esame

(sorry i think is impossible to transalate the meaning of that :D)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cristianvernal on October 05, 2009, 03:52:26 PM
i cant stop wondering.... what will happen with lucif now that augments will be removed and he's not happy with his char ? xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 05, 2009, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: cthon on October 05, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
because a necro should do sh1ty dmg cause of their tons of debuffs... why do u think ncsoft added dark resist on dyna sets ??? cause necro made a lot of dmg + sh1tloads of debuffs.. so they saw and fix it... so all the ones that play necro gtfo and use debuffs and luci dont tell me u want to use poisonous cloud and its not working cause u can piss on that debuff
those "debuffs" doesnt land cthon ... just mage bane and warrior bane  is rly nice on mass pvps but rest just simple sux lolz.... they dont land on full buff vs full bbuff:Pplus since its custom server and not official one necro should have more power..
anyway iff mage have totally full buff i mean chant of protection and songs its fine vs archers but those days its hard to find wc and sws to mage pt cause a lot of mages rerolled to archers.... for example before in c3/c4 we had many daggers and now ? is like 5% of server cuz they simply sux ...
i dont cry ( cuz im sure someone will say stop qq ) but just say a simple freak :P
btw track test archers vs mages but on normal buffs also i mean bd + pp buffs etc not only full buff
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Deavon on October 05, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
1 week i was away more QQ topics apeard,for god shake lol.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 05, 2009, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?



I wil happily test this with you, just send me a pm when you want me IG, I will even buff you and show you how to prevent archers hittting for 4-5k  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Seirously though, if you wanan test it I will happily help on fullbuffs so I can post the screens of me critting for 1k max on the forum and prove to all what a liar you are.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 05, 2009, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 05, 2009, 03:55:40 PM
those "debuffs" doesnt land cthon ... just mage bane and warrior bane  is rly nice on mass pvps but rest just simple sux lolz.... they dont land on full buff vs full bbuff:Pplus since its custom server and not official one necro should have more power..
anyway iff mage have totally full buff i mean chant of protection and songs its fine vs archers but those days its hard to find wc and sws to mage pt cause a lot of mages rerolled to archers.... for example before in c3/c4 we had many daggers and now ? is like 5% of server cuz they simply sux ...
i dont cry ( cuz im sure someone will say stop qq ) but just say a simple freak :P
btw track test archers vs mages but on normal buffs also i mean bd + pp buffs etc not only full buff

i couldn't say who will win on bd/pp buffs but i can be sure that if ress will be allowed like u can do in mass pvp mages can win on full buffs with wc and all sh1ts...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 04:39:12 PM
anyway guys i was on drmoufas , trust me he is a bit stronger than drtibo due to augs.
Cthon sorry for confusing u with mark my bad was at work and kinda rushed. As for the tons of dmg a necro does ... LOL? when ?
he just has a gloom as others got surrender thats all...
Its true we tested dmg with mark and my dmg was sh1ty ... i dunno if u guys dont wanna accept wtf more to say...
@furesy dude u dont even have icarus bow what u gonna test ? After all dmg/sec is all that matters . So even ur 1k  (on what pal/mage ?) is a lot with 500 crit rate when an archer use 3 arrow /sec and a mage responds with 550 dmg critical .
Not to mention i had that FS like archery and other ones for mage resists...
After all why u see so many archers ? Cause they suck ?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 04:39:12 PM
anyway guys i was on drmoufas , trust me he is a bit stronger than drtibo due to augs.
He does low dmg also lol

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he just has a gloom as others got surrender thats all...
Its true we tested dmg with mark and my dmg was sh1ty ... i dunno if u guys dont wanna accept wtf more to say...
Necro isn't a nuker, it's a debuffer/support nuker, I'm not going to explain what a support nuker like a Necro is supposed to do xd

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@furesy dude u dont even have icarus bow what u gonna test ? After all dmg/sec is all that matters . So even ur 1k  (on what pal/mage ?) is a lot with 500 crit rate when an archer use 3 arrow /sec and a mage responds with 550 dmg critical .
I can't test it because my char is banned, but I'll test it with someone else later, difference between Icarus and Drac bow isn't much at all when it comes to damage, only Icarus shoots faster, but You deal the same dmg with a Draconic bow.
Archer gameplay completely changed from IL to Hellbound (it's uber lame now tbh but that's just me) I've played archers since C2, I've played close to every single combo out there, I know close to every weakness of every combo, I know how archers work now, and in fullbuff PvP they don't deal that much dmg as you claim they do.

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After all why u see so many archers ? Cause they suck ?
Because people get owned by them and 'wannabe' pro as well.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 05, 2009, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 04:39:12 PM
anyway guys i was on drmoufas , trust me he is a bit stronger than drtibo due to augs.
Cthon sorry for confusing u with mark my bad was at work and kinda rushed. As for the tons of dmg a necro does ... LOL? when ?
he just has a gloom as others got surrender thats all...
Its true we tested dmg with mark and my dmg was sh1ty ... i dunno if u guys dont wanna accept wtf more to say...
@furesy dude u dont even have icarus bow what u gonna test ? After all dmg/sec is all that matters . So even ur 1k  (on what pal/mage ?) is a lot with 500 crit rate when an archer use 3 arrow /sec and a mage responds with 550 dmg critical .
Not to mention i had that FS like archery and other ones for mage resists...
After all why u see so many archers ? Cause they suck ?
stupid necromancers have only gloom. the rest use more than just gloom » vortex » nuke :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
He does low dmg also lol
Necro isn't a nuker, it's a debuffer/support nuker, I'm not going to explain what a support nuker like a Necro is supposed to do xd


go on explain me what my 5 year char is suposed to do lol
ps debuffer ?? joke right ? other than banes nothing else lands and with cleanse its pointless. On an archer even thoose banes are useless cause of potions lol..
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 05:03:15 PM
go on explain me what my 5 year char is suposed to do lol

Nah, you can go find that out yourself xD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Nah, you can go find that out yourself xD

read the ps , was ironic btw i hope u got it :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 05, 2009, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
read the ps , was ironic btw i hope u got it :)
You added the PS after you already posted the message :)


btw, the concept of archers used to be, attack slow but hit hard, they don't hit hard anymore, so they attack faster now xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 05, 2009, 05:54:34 PM
Nerf cleanse and mages will be back imo
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cristianvernal on October 05, 2009, 06:03:33 PM
this topic is completly hilarious!... mages on windstorm get hitted by a crit max of 500! and with the dance ant-arrows is more than freaked up...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Weezer on October 05, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: cristianvernal on October 05, 2009, 06:03:33 PM
this topic is completly hilarious!... mages on windstorm get hitted by a crit max of 500! and with the dance ant-arrows is more than freaked up...

But using the Dance of BladeStorm mages will hit for 10 damage, since it decreases the m. attack.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: kang on October 05, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
I'll tell you a funny story with my archer yesterday.
You see, I'm lucky enough to have archer will which effectively increase the range "properly".
that is, i don't have 900 range like other archers (archery doesnt add anything) but more like 1K/1.1K

Well i was at a fortress and climbed up a tower, sniped (thats like 1300 range+ with archer will)

Started shooting ppl then a group of 5-6, quite far away from me started shooting back from the bottom. I couldn't reach them. With 1300 range. So either the terrain elevation reduce archer range (but not mages) either its completely bugged in ways I don't really figure out (I think thats the right answer xD because sometimes it works fine even on high positions)

otherwise, with counterdash,ai, and dash, while having blizzard and vortex i barely get above "normal speed" (no ai/dashes)

finally ofc hitting everyone 4-8K is pure bullshit. I hit mages in dc robe without any buff for 8K. I have 7800 patk and real full bufs (cat, etc included.  really full)
meaning ppl in dyna and real bufs get hit for barely 1K without tank sub.
When your nazzi ass and ur nazzi friends will become part of NM?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 05, 2009, 08:00:25 PM
For all this BlueCube is guilty!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: scary on October 05, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
track, blablalba balblalbal balblabla , everytime when i check this forum, i see new topic about track , or crying for smth .. :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: scary on October 05, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
track, blablalba balblalbal balblabla , everytime when i check this forum, i see new topic about track , or crying for smth .. :-X :-X :-X
freak me im famous !  8)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 05, 2009, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
freak me im famous !  8)

AIDS free.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: TheLox on October 05, 2009, 08:34:53 PM
AIDS free.
But best shag in the world, imo worth!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 09:13:13 PM
are u jokeing us or u are serius? archers for sure are op.

stop yelling use corectlly bufs and other sh1ts wtf to play i have to log sws -pp-bd-se o and wc to have chant of protection not to remind that i have to change windom every 5 secs for rebuffs, e hello is anybody here ?

i am not crying i just know that in the current sittuation mages are f cuked up. archers are op

someone was saying dont bother us that was made by ncsoft , should i rmind ncsoft had and the critical magic but later redue it , and as far as i know they have reduce the speed on ic bow. but here we have reduced agic critcal attack and nothing about ic bow.

have fun archer server, o no is not da archer server is just that we dont know how to use corectly buffs we noobs we play 5 years dont know nothing .,,, yea yea yea .i. with love

i am borring of those sh1ts i just play for fun and couse of old friends ,, this server has lost all the good that use to have ,
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 05, 2009, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 08:43:33 PM
Butt best shag in the world, imo worth!

This?



Shaba, shaba!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 09:13:13 PM




i am borring of those sh1ts i just play for fun and couse of old friends ,, this server has lost all the good that use to have ,
And before,you played why? For glory of the World? Only 1 who is lost here it is u my friend.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: leobruno on October 05, 2009, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
And before,you played why? For glory of the World? Only 1 who is lost here it is u my friend.

Seal of blockade ? Any news ?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
And before,you played why? For glory of the World? Only 1 who is lost here it is u my friend.


rly funny few months before the server was giveing u the chance to play not only for pvp but for quests crafts , atm this server is for pvp nothing alse,  .. the majority of mages that say archer are op in your opinion dont know how to use buffs ,,, but in my opinion u have f cuked up the server for good, makeing archers op reduce magic critical rate so on,
the only thing that people who play mages is to try to balanced it , when i am hitting for 200-500 damge on 6.6k magic attack is lol

mages are suppose to kill fast and to die faster now u have make only the second , ignoring the first

perhpas u dont agre on that perhpas u will make joke on that but this is how i see the things. who knows perhpas i am wrong but as far as ppl are leaving i fell that i am not.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 05, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
Luci had a dream: in that dream he and Voudas were pr0, they were killing everybody in Varka and bla bla.
After that he woke up sweating. It was all just a dream and he was in fact a utterly helpless nub. He then logged forum and started QQ
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 09:57:35 PM

rly funny few months before the server was giveing u the chance to play not only for pvp but for quests crafts , atm this server is for pvp nothing alse,  .. the majority of mages that say archer are op in your opinion dont know how to use buffs ,,, but in my opinion u have f cuked up the server for good, makeing archers op reduce magic critical rate so on,

You wanna tell me that now there is no quests? What about we made spoil which u all wanted so much to bring back?
When you say "archers are op" , why is so hard to re-roll on archer and pwn all? And this server is everything except pvp dude, obviously u have some fog on teh eyes.
Whatsoever i cant wait to make event mages vs archers  ;) we will see we will see. But i can tell u 1 thing, that crap about archers hitting for 4-5k criticals is just LOL! And just revise a bit, all chronicles we had c1 c2 c3....there have been always complains that 1 class is OP then other right? So niori stop QQ dude ur arguments kinda failed.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: scary on October 05, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
freak me im famous !  8)

u started to check forum so often, intresting  ;D :-\
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
You wanna tell me that now there is no quests? What about we made spoil which u all wanted so much to bring back?
When you say "archers are op" , why is so hard to re-roll on archer and pwn all? And this server is everything except pvp dude, obviously u have some fog on teh eyes.
Whatsoever i cant wait to make event mages vs archers  ;) we will see we will see. But i can tell u 1 thing, that crap about archers hitting for 4-5k criticals is just LOL! And just revise a bit, all chronicles we had c1 c2 c3....there have been always complains that 1 class is OP then other right? So niori stop QQ dude ur arguments kinda failed.

well i hope to be the only one that dont know to play but in this forum i am not the only one who says the same thing  :-\

anyway i just will wait the mage vs archer event , there u will be abeal to see by your self the difreance,
8)
my question is .is there any idea in nightmare stuff to reduce ic bow in feature ?  :-* becouse ic boe reuse time is for sure not as it should be,
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: scary on October 05, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
u started to check forum so often, intresting  ;D :-\

noob log on msn i wanna ask u about a screen that i wanna put as avatar :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 10:12:34 PM
well i hope to be the only one that dont know to play but in this forum i am not the only one who says the same thing  :-\

anyway i just will wait the mage vs archer event , there u will be abeal to see by your self the difreance,
8)
my question is .is there any idea in nightmare stuff to reduce ic bow in feature ?  :-* becouse ic boe reuse time is for sure not as it should be,
Btw U really improved ur English dude, gratz again! At least 1 good side of NM a? :-*

Nah we wont touch IC bow, but ill think (still searching a fair way) to boost mages a bit, or maybe ic for mages, we will see. Lets see the event 1st then we will see, but everything can be fixed dont worry menx.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 05, 2009, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: scary on October 05, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
u started to check forum so often, intresting  ;D :-\
When i was inactive on forum  :o ? Im always here to speak to people. Cheers
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: scary on October 05, 2009, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:18:02 PM
When i was inactive on forum  :o ? Im always here to speak to people. Cheers

i mean so  often xd more than before  :D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: scary on October 05, 2009, 10:23:55 PM
i mean so  often xd more than before  :D
ty bro for help :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Sali on October 05, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?


and in my dreams mages dont even try to mana burn archers.... but reality is difrent, mages burn so much mana and doing it so fast that i dont have mana for normal shooting... wtf?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 05, 2009, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: Sali on October 05, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
and in my dreams mages dont even try to mana burn archers.... but reality is difrent, mages burn so much mana and doing it so fast that i dont have mana for normal shooting... wtf?
In my dreams i see a couple of blonde chicks licking my balls, but i guess everybody has their own desires.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: leobruno on October 05, 2009, 11:44:37 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Nah we wont touch IC bow, but ill think (still searching a fair way) to boost mages a bit, or maybe ic for mages, we will see. Lets see the event 1st then we will see, but everything can be fixed dont worry menx.

Track look.. if u do 3 simple things for now, i think isnt necessary "boost" the mages. I have some suggestions:

1 - Put the Shirt A/S to sell on donny
2 - Change e. mana recovery time... test 15 sec = 300 mana regen
3 - Put bit more p. def on DN robes.


Im no want kill all, but i want have a chance to do this w/o m. critical.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 06, 2009, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 05, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
Luci had a dream: in that dream he and Voudas were pr0, they were killing everybody in Varka and bla bla.
After that he woke up sweating. It was all just a dream and he was in fact a utterly helpless nub. He then logged forum and started QQ
rofl
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 01:47:04 AM
Hey, at least Mark sees things my way! ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: horass on October 06, 2009, 04:00:33 AM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 02, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
if you really hate it that much just make a new char and use the same thing, u know sometimes change of char does brings more fun, 1 char for xxxxx years simple booring...

here you have an answer lucif
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 06, 2009, 04:26:10 AM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
You wanna tell me that now there is no quests? What about we made spoil which u all wanted so much to bring back?
When you say "archers are op" , why is so hard to re-roll on archer and pwn all? And this server is everything except pvp dude, obviously u have some fog on teh eyes.
Whatsoever i cant wait to make event mages vs archers  ;) we will see we will see. But i can tell u 1 thing, that crap about archers hitting for 4-5k criticals is just LOL! And just revise a bit, all chronicles we had c1 c2 c3....there have been always complains that 1 class is OP then other right? So niori stop QQ dude ur arguments kinda failed.

Plz Plz Plz, let me lead the archer party, I will make us purposly lose so that after that you can nerf mages for being more OP than archers!!!!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: scary on October 06, 2009, 08:25:48 AM
Quote from: NIORI on October 05, 2009, 10:44:31 PM
ty bro for help :P

np  :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NYPD on October 06, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
You wanna tell me that now there is no quests? What about we made spoil which u all wanted so much to bring back?
When you say "archers are op" ,why is so hard to re-roll on archer and pwn all? And this server is everything except pvp dude, obviously u have some fog on teh eyes.
Whatsoever i cant wait to make event mages vs archers  ;) we will see we will see. But i can tell u 1 thing, that crap about archers hitting for 4-5k criticals is just LOL! And just revise a bit, all chronicles we had c1 c2 c3....there have been always complains that 1 class is OP then other right? So niori stop QQ dude ur arguments kinda failed.

Why u let them OP ? you wanna press mage to re-roll ?...i know thats means server menagement  more horns , etc...But same as those overpowered archers, i donated too for top mage weapon  and was freaking expensive!  Thats not respect. :(
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 06, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: NYPD on October 06, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Why u let them OP ? you wanna press mage to re-roll ?...i know thats means server menagement  more horns , etc...But same as those overpowered archers, i donated too for top mage weapon  and was freaking expensive!  Thats not respect. :(
Simply i dont see archers that much OP, and ill prove you all soon. And as i said every freaking chronicle had their own "ownage" classes.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 06, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 06, 2009, 10:31:29 AM
Simply i dont see archers that much OP, and ill prove you all soon. And as i said every freaking chronicle had their own "ownage" classes.
ye but not in every chronicle 50% of server was rerolling to "ownage" class :P is rly hard to get rly good full buff i mean sws and wc to be able to fight vs archers ... btw make m.crt 50% since archers crts like 4 times on 5 hits...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on October 06, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 06, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
ye but not in every chronicle 50% of server was rerolling to "ownage" class :P is rly hard to get rly good full buff i mean sws and wc to be able to fight vs archers ... btw make m.crt 50% since archers crts like 4 times on 5 hits...
In c3 95% of server was THs right?

In c4 remember sps aka cancel whores aka niori und duxi, most common class in that period...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Defoe on October 06, 2009, 12:21:36 PM
looks like mages who had at start IL 100% m.crit rate still cant forgot those times lol, since only they complaining all the time.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: NIORI on October 06, 2009, 12:44:32 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 06, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
In c3 95% of server was THs right?

In c4 remember sps aka cancel whores aka niori und duxi, most common class in that period...


god those time was the old good times :)  ;D can we go back there  ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 01:01:55 PM
I just realised i have not seen any sorcerer for like 4 months.... Save the flame attacks!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 06, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 06, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
ye but not in every chronicle 50% of server was rerolling to "ownage" class :P is rly hard to get rly good full buff i mean sws and wc to be able to fight vs archers ... btw make m.crt 50% since archers crts like 4 times on 5 hits...

Aint tht hard, CB are forever botting a sws/wc or wc/bd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 01:01:55 PM
I just realised i have not seen any sorcerer for like 4 months.... Save the flame attacks!
i saw Duxel last week.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 01:05:45 PM
i saw Duxel last week.

Did he cast any spells?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: seboulba on October 06, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 01:05:45 PM
i saw Duxel last week.

isnt him its PokerStar inside ....
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 06, 2009, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: Zuluman on October 06, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
Aint tht hard, CB are forever botting a sws/wc or wc/bd
like u have mages in this clan :P

and ye track in c3 there was a lot of th  but those times were rly different than now :P was even hard to get pp buff :P well i wont complain anymore :P  u ll make event and all will be clean .. i just hope u ll amke event not on totally full buff only but on bd+pp buffs etc :P some testing
plus necro dmg ;/ ... ppls say "ncsoft" made it to be debuffer but its not "ncsoft" server but private one with stucked subclasees means he should make better dmg... since there is like 4-5 reist on dark necro hit kinda veeeery low :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Balzamon on October 06, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 05, 2009, 11:41:39 PM
In my dreams i see a couple of blonde chicks licking my balls, but i guess everybody has their own desires.

hi hi hi hi +1
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 06, 2009, 01:23:36 PM
like u have mages in this clan :P
Me, Ensign, Valkiria, TingTong, Uthria, LimitedEdition, Herza and many more.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: FadeAway on October 06, 2009, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:06:19 PM
Me, Ensign, Valkiria, TingTong, Uthria, LimitedEdition, Herza and many more.

add Y5L , iceflower, funkeh, mrsbenasi and a few more :p
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:06:19 PM
Me, Ensign, Valkiria, TingTong, Uthria, LimitedEdition, Herza and many more.

I dont count as a mage or what?

Quote from: FadeAway on October 06, 2009, 02:13:54 PM
add Y5L , iceflower, funkeh, mrsbenasi and a few more :p

Im still not a mage :( ..... Apparently
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: FadeAway on October 06, 2009, 02:16:33 PM
ow -.- forgot my fav. mage of CB... kidvicious.

It's because you don't log that often anymore (same as me), so i kinda forgot ya (A).

forgive me  >:(


+ forgot noobskillergr aswell + engee
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 06, 2009, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
I dont count as a mage or what?

Im still not a mage :( ..... Apparently

u are bishop not mage :D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
I dont count as a mage or what?

Im still not a mage :( ..... Apparently
no, u are tank :<
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 01:06:36 PM
Did he cast any spells?
Cancel and return. it was awesome, i had to note down and learn.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 06, 2009, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:20:57 PM
Cancel and return. it was awesome, i had to note down and learn.

Did you get any lore out of that? :o
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
no, u are tank :<

If im a tank you're an sps!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: FadeAway on October 06, 2009, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
If im a tank you're an sps!

Ouch that has to hurt ::)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: ribera on October 06, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: TrackZero on October 05, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Btw U really improved ur English dude, gratz again! At least 1 good side of NM a? :-*

Nah we wont touch IC bow, but ill think (still searching a fair way) to boost mages a bit, or maybe ic for mages, we will see. Lets see the event 1st then we will see, but everything can be fixed dont worry menx.

really good idea improve ic for mages so archers w/o it will no cry for mages oe, maybe ic+a should be 18% cast + 12 % empo? or more m critical rate?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 06, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
tbh, if the pvp event will be in closed area... it won't reflect the real pvp, i mean that i should take place at varka on some siege zone, w/e as far as it's not closed arena
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 06, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: our4n0s on October 06, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
tbh, if the pvp event will be in closed area... it won't reflect the real pvp, i mean that i should take place at varka on some siege zone, w/e as far as it's not closed arena

Good Point
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 06, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
This topic name is a bit erotic.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: our4n0s on October 06, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
tbh, if the pvp event will be in closed area... it won't reflect the real pvp, i mean that i should take place at varka on some siege zone, w/e as far as it's not closed arena

Another aspect is that if you know as a mage you are gonna fight nothing but archers, you are gonna make a tank/mage pt that will rape the archers on constant SoF and uber archery defence.
But then again ppl claim that 90% of the server is archers so I guess that it somewhat reflects the real PvP situation aswell.

And with tank/mage you could play on Magnus without getting hit hard so archers can forget about kiting even if it's an open arena.


Anyway, I bet all my coins that the mage pt will win (1 coin in total^^)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: SpoilerAngel on October 06, 2009, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 07:41:14 PM
Another aspect is that if you know as a mage you are gonna fight nothing but archers, you are gonna make a tank/mage pt that will rape the archers on constant SoF and uber archery defence.
But then again ppl claim that 90% of the server is archers so I guess that it somewhat reflects the real PvP situation aswell.

And with tank/mage you could play on Magnus without getting hit hard so archers can forget about kiting even if it's an open arena.


Anyway, I bet all my coins that the mage pt will win (1 coin in total^^)
deal pandasaur
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
If im a tank you're an sps!
:O what an insult!

;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: PainMaster on October 06, 2009, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?



lol i had dream that after  your first topic abot op archers in few day u will make another QQ   ,  and here we have it  .....

btw now i know who was your buff teacher  >>>  Ary
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cristianvernal on October 07, 2009, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: PainMaster on October 06, 2009, 11:25:36 PM
lol i had dream that after  your first topic abot op archers in few day u will make another QQ   ,  and here we have it  .....

btw now i know who was your buff teacher  >>>  Ary


shall we thanks to god that ary still doesnt teach him how to return ,)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: PainMaster on October 06, 2009, 11:25:36 PM
lol i had dream that after  your first topic abot op archers in few day u will make another QQ   ,  and here we have it  .....

btw now i know who was your buff teacher  >>>  Ary


LOL i love you for tht... big +1

Quote from: cristianvernal on October 07, 2009, 01:18:38 AM
shall we thanks to god that ary still doesnt teach him how to return ,)

Ary never returns... coz he never leaves town w/o a huge temp zerg.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:44:25 AM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 06, 2009, 07:41:14 PM
Another aspect is that if you know as a mage you are gonna fight nothing but archers, you are gonna make a tank/mage pt that will rape the archers on constant SoF and uber archery defence.
But then again ppl claim that 90% of the server is archers so I guess that it somewhat reflects the real PvP situation aswell.

And with tank/mage you could play on Magnus without getting hit hard so archers can forget about kiting even if it's an open arena.


Anyway, I bet all my coins that the mage pt will win (1 coin in total^^)

I think it depends who is in each party. If the mage party was to have people like Wahka, Ary and DanteRevenge I will bet all my gears they will lose  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 07, 2009, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:41:32 AM
Ary never returns... coz he never leaves town w/o a huge temp zerg.
Yesterday he returned like 4 times in a row, and 2 times in the middle of the PvP because his side was 'losing' lol
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
On badly/nobuffed chars i crit for 2k. On buffed chars with defensive songs/dances/cop i crit them for 400 dmg for non tanks and 100dmg on tanks!

My equip is:

Dnet/heavy
ic+f+3
aq
baium
etc ...

So or every archer is OP besides me... or you are talking bullshit!

Btw i'm sr/tk!
Sry but thats the truth!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
On badly/nobuffed chars i crit for 2k. On buffed chars with defensive songs/dances/cop i crit them for 400 dmg for non tanks and 100dmg on tanks!

My equip is:

Dnet/heavy
ic+f+3
aq
baium
etc ...

So or every archer is OP besides me... or you are talking bullshit!

Btw i'm sr/tk!
Sry but thats the truth!
:<
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Btw i'm sr/tk!

Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
:<

Why windy? You think it's a bad cumbo?

Sr's have the lowest p atk but the highest critical power, so thats why i'm stating that some1 is bulshiting here...

I read a stament b4 in wich some1 was QQ b/c he had to log wc/pd/sws etc in order to pwn achers, so i'm asking him (dunno if smbdy alrdy asked or not). Archer don't have to log those bot's? is that it? Cause they do you know...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 12:09:03 PM
Why windy? You think it's a bad cumbo?

Sr's have the lowest p atk but the highest critical power, so thats why i'm stating that some1 is bulshiting here...
tbh, i am nub regarding archers, but i heard rumors that SR is the weakest archer.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 12:15:55 PM
They kinda have the weakest p atk, but they crit okay! And tk is better than sk imo! So between sr/tk and pr/sk ther's not a big dif! I'm curious about he/pal though! Will make 1, one of this days :D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kang on October 07, 2009, 12:29:33 PM
sr's dont have alot of patk but they've 7-80% more atk spd xD
these days where range isnt as important u can easily use rapid fire and counter and reach 1800 atk spd on sr/tk or a bit more prolly (idk the speed of sr/wl lol)
a he would reach 1100-1200

not taking the hotspring stuff into account
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 07, 2009, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 12:09:03 PM
Sr's have the lowest p atk but the highest critical power, so thats why i'm stating that some1 is bulshiting here...
Highest critical chance you mean, PR has the highest critical power, SR the lowest.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: kang on October 07, 2009, 12:29:33 PM
sr's dont have alot of patk but they've 7-80% more atk spd xD
these days where range isnt as important u can easily use rapid fire and counter and reach 1800 atk spd on sr/tk or a bit more prolly (idk the speed of sr/wl lol)
a he would reach 1100-1200

not taking the hotspring stuff into account
then the advantage of the sr is damage per second, not damage per hit. Hence stop looking at the damage you make per hit, it is kinda pointless for a SR. same for me as a SPS. My hydro is the weakest elemental nuke, but i shoot it almost twice as fast as the SH's Hurricane.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Javardsnegger on October 07, 2009, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 12:34:18 PM
then the advantage of the sr is damage per second, not damage per hit. Hence stop looking at the damage you make per hit, it is kinda pointless for a SR. same for me as a SPS. My hydro is the weakest elemental nuke, but i shoot it almost twice as fast as the SH's Hurricane.

I'm not complaining :D. I'm happy with my char, but i still don't find it OP though, if i have an edge against most mages (not all) it's thanks to defensive buffs!

@ furesy: you're right.... as always :D

The ppl who QQ must be honest once and for all...

You guys complain now b/c of archers but if some1 else would pwn your ass than you would QQ about them.... put in your    
thick skulls that you can't pwn everything and every1 and you will be okay!


Those are just:


My 50 cents <---------  ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Triuferkkk on October 07, 2009, 01:03:07 PM
mb fix chant of protection, make song of windstorm 2min and will be no complaining? >.>
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: zenice on October 07, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
tbh, i am nub regarding archers, but i heard rumors that SR is the weakest archer.

:-[
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Evolution on October 07, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: cthon on October 05, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
i really can't stand your topics anymore lol... nitopami and co. never have buffs against archers u can be sure of that... till u don't fight a proper mage pt or something just stfu cause with 6k+ p atk and duel might on bow i do 1k crit on random mages , 400-500 on mages/tank..

yea ofc... then why archers crit on me for 2.5k...! when they have 3 on 5 hits CRIT! btw. i got 2.7k  p.def with full buff...  ::) if i get song of windstorm then i will have chance for survive... but ofc... gm change it for 1min lolx ... nvm just Archer's server... all know that. and look only who have archer don't want change's....  ::)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Sephiroth on October 07, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: Evolution on October 07, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
yea ofc... then why archers crit on me for 2.5k...! when they have 3 on 5 hits CRIT! btw. i got 2.7k  p.def with full buff...  ::) if i get song of windstorm then i will have chance for survive... but ofc... gm change it for 1min lolx ... nvm just Archer's server... all know that. and look only who have archer don't want change's....  ::)

2,5k? R u sure that u have 2,7k P.Def,Dyna Shield,and all the resist buffs which aren't so hard to get?.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 07, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Evolution on October 07, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
yea ofc... then why archers crit on me for 2.5k...! when they have 3 on 5 hits CRIT! btw. i got 2.7k  p.def with full buff...  ::) if i get song of windstorm then i will have chance for survive... but ofc... gm change it for 1min lolx ... nvm just Archer's server... all know that. and look only who have archer don't want change's....  ::)

First of all... That defence is not practical for you since that is on soul guard, a skill I highly doubt you use in anything except easy 1 vs 1's since it will freak up your mana.

Second you are a mage/mage without ANY tank skills, ANY good shield def, and Robe set. If you only get hit for 2,7k by archers with IC bow I'd say that is pretty good. And does definately not sound overpowered.
Now try it with song of windstorm and chant of protection and you'll see that the damage can be overhealed.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: legendaryvicious on October 07, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: Evolution on October 07, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
yea ofc... then why archers crit on me for 2.5k...! when they have 3 on 5 hits CRIT! btw. i got 2.7k  p.def with full buff...  ::) if i get song of windstorm then i will have chance for survive... but ofc... gm change it for 1min lolx ... nvm just Archer's server... all know that. and look only who have archer don't want change's....  ::)


I still can't see the problem with widnstorm lasting 60 seconds, it recharges in like 40-50 seconds and all  you (or the sws) have to do is resing it, the only players should be complaining about that are sws's 'coz we have to spend 320 mp to resing windstorm during a pvp,  and I see noone complaining about it.

P.S: about the dance of bladestorm and healing capablities with 100 m. atk, I used it yesterday with BD/SE and started to heal myself my heals went from 1k with 3k M. atk to 750 with bladestorm on, and the archers did 120 dmg on crits (real pvp situation) not bad if the archers attacking you are on SOF and all you have to do is heal  the party imo.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Triuferkkk on October 07, 2009, 01:03:07 PM
mb fix chant of protection, make song of windstorm 2min and will be no complaining? >.>

Maybbe ppl should just try using it.

Quote from: Evolution on October 07, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
yea ofc... then why archers crit on me for 2.5k...! when they have 3 on 5 hits CRIT! btw. i got 2.7k  p.def with full buff...  ::) if i get song of windstorm then i will have chance for survive... but ofc... gm change it for 1min lolx ... nvm just Archer's server... all know that. and look only who have archer don't want change's....  ::)

Why do you always try to post more shit than even me?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 07, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
I had a dream...
-where people didn't post crap on the forum without testing things or posting proof of the crap they are saying
-where some cb members stopped posting their garbage, same goes for some other marvels/temps and some others
-where old NM players came back and we had lots of fun on this server
-where i had a Ferrari f430

But we all know this will never happen  ::)

P.s Lucifsg, you should really consider reading the red part of my post  ;)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: horass on October 07, 2009, 11:59:19 PM
did some1 teach him how to buff ??? I mean why is he so quiet ??
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 07, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
I had a dream...
-where people didn't post crap on the forum without testing things or posting proof of the crap they are saying
-where some cb members stopped posting their garbage, same goes for some other marvels/temps and some others
-where old NM players came back and we had lots of fun on this server
-where i had a Ferrari f430

But we all know this will never happen  ::)

P.s Lucifsg, you should really consider reading the red part of my post  ;)

+1
Sorry im addicted :/, but Overdose people are allowed to post crap? seems like forum discrimination to me :P

Quote from: horass on October 07, 2009, 11:59:19 PM
did some1 teach him how to buff ??? I mean why is he so quiet ??

I heard it was Ary
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 06, 2009, 02:06:19 PM
Me, Ensign, Valkiria, TingTong, Uthria, LimitedEdition, Herza and many more.

Le bot
Uthria same i think
u dont even count
and except ensign who r the rest lol
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 08, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
Le bot
Uthria same i think
u dont even count
and except ensign who r the rest lol
I doubt LE is bot, really :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
im quiet cause this topic is full of archers telling mages to go get a 1 min resist buff to get saved . LOL
last days im rolling on drmoufas guess what mages hardly kill me cause even if they are x5 running after me they never get me and i just w8 2-3 min till they r out of songs and dances to shot em down (ye mine fade as well but its no big deal )
And when im on full buffs i simply dont care of their resist buffs. I shot so fast that i dont care if i ll hit for 1.5k or 3k.
Some days ago (dunno maybe i mention it before too ) i did some test with furesy on LimitedEdition. Me on full buffs he on full resist buffs. LimitedEdition (a 100% support char) could do nothing more than spam heals on his self cause if he did stop for just 1 sec he would die. Now tell me wht could a nuker do. LE had good heal cause of ee class and reflict arrow cause of sws. Then he brought me a guy with almost 12k m att (ye d elf) which had a lucky symphony crit of 5k and normal dmg of 230.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Deavon on October 08, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
im quiet cause this topic is full of archers telling mages to go get a 1 min resist buff to get saved . LOL
last days im rolling on drmoufas guess what mages hardly kill me cause even if they are x5 running after me they never get me and i just w8 2-3 min till they r out of songs and dances to shot em down (ye mine fade as well but its no big deal )
And when im on full buffs i simply dont care of their resist buffs. I shot so fast that i dont care if i ll hit for 1.5k or 3k.
Some days ago (dunno maybe i mention it before too ) i did some test with furesy on LimitedEdition. Me on full buffs he on full resist buffs. LimitedEdition (a 100% support char) could do nothing more than spam heals on his self cause if he did stop for just 1 sec he would die. Now tell me wht could a nuker do. LE had good heal cause of ee class and reflict arrow cause of sws. Then he brought me a guy with almost 12k m att (ye d elf) which had a lucky symphony crit of 5k and normal dmg of 230.

paixe archer kai xeprixe mas ton poutso re c ,ainte to gamises to thema.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
im quiet cause this topic is full of archers telling mages to go get a 1 min resist buff to get saved . LOL
last days im rolling on drmoufas guess what mages hardly kill me cause even if they are x5 running after me they never get me and i just w8 2-3 min till they r out of songs and dances to shot em down (ye mine fade as well but its no big deal )
And when im on full buffs i simply dont care of their resist buffs. I shot so fast that i dont care if i ll hit for 1.5k or 3k.
Some days ago (dunno maybe i mention it before too ) i did some test with furesy on LimitedEdition. Me on full buffs he on full resist buffs. LimitedEdition (a 100% support char) could do nothing more than spam heals on his self cause if he did stop for just 1 sec he would die. Now tell me wht could a nuker do. LE had good heal cause of ee class and reflict arrow cause of sws. Then he brought me a guy with almost 12k m att (ye d elf) which had a lucky symphony crit of 5k and normal dmg of 230.

STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!!!
[/glow]
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 08, 2009, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
Le bot
Uthria same i think
u dont even count
and except ensign who r the rest lol
I might now count, but i am not helpless against archers or at least i am not crying on the forums like u do, so you're worse :-[
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 08, 2009, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
Le bot

Poor Fur, always been bot.  ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 08, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
im quiet cause this topic is full of archers telling mages to go get a 1 min resist buff to get saved . LOL
last days im rolling on drmoufas guess what mages hardly kill me cause even if they are x5 running after me they never get me and i just w8 2-3 min till they r out of songs and dances to shot em down (ye mine fade as well but its no big deal )
And when im on full buffs i simply dont care of their resist buffs. I shot so fast that i dont care if i ll hit for 1.5k or 3k.
Some days ago (dunno maybe i mention it before too ) i did some test with furesy on LimitedEdition. Me on full buffs he on full resist buffs. LimitedEdition (a 100% support char) could do nothing more than spam heals on his self cause if he did stop for just 1 sec he would die. Now tell me wht could a nuker do. LE had good heal cause of ee class and reflict arrow cause of sws. Then he brought me a guy with almost 12k m att (ye d elf) which had a lucky symphony crit of 5k and normal dmg of 230.
Not completely true.

I couldn't do anything else besides heal? I was capable of re-singing my songs while you were hitting me, I was capable of rebuffing myself with certain buffs for fun (like resist shock and concentration) and you didn't kill me, I even healed myself for a while without re-singing wind storm and you couldn't kill me.

Besides, LE is my main char, and Uthria is also Rebel's main char.

Also, that Dark elf was hitting you that low because you were on full resists against his attacks, which is supposed to be like that. You want mages to hit hard even when the enemy has FULL resists against his attacks? Like 1k hit on someone with every resist possible? What happens then if you lack 1 of these resists, or maybe 2? You will hit 2k or 3k each hit? Nobody will use all 3 resists possible against 1 single element, if you do so you need a total of 18 buffs against all 6 different mage attacks possible lol
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 08, 2009, 11:22:35 PM
You guys are just making him confused with all this English. Maybe try on his mother language?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 08, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 08, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
LimitedEdition (a 100% support char) could do nothing more than spam heals on his self cause if he did stop for just 1 sec he would die. Now tell me wht could a nuker do.
you nupcake, he heals himself untill u run out of mana, after that be mana burns you 1-2 times just to be sure and after that he WTFOMFG owns you even with the weakest hydro/stone/proeminence augment.
Hell, even with a bow lol.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 09, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 08, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
you nupcake, he heals himself untill u run out of mana, after that be mana burns you 1-2 times just to be sure and after that he WTFOMFG owns you even with the weakest hydro/stone/proeminence augment.
Hell, even with a bow lol.
uh?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kang on October 09, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
if you use holy attacks eg even on full resists u still hit pretty hard. cuz theres not many resists against it:P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: Deavon on October 08, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
paixe archer kai xeprixe mas ton poutso re c ,ainte to gamises to thema.

gamhse mas re mlka kai sy kati me ousia exeis na peis epi tu thematos ?
epidh thn exeis vrei dld pu sai archer prepei na les mlkies...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2009, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: kang on October 09, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
if you use holy attacks eg even on full resists u still hit pretty hard. cuz theres not many resists against it:P


shhh its new on NM!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 08, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
you nupcake, he heals himself untill u run out of mana, after that be mana burns you 1-2 times just to be sure and after that he WTFOMFG owns you even with the weakest hydro/stone/proeminence augment.
Hell, even with a bow lol.

shut up n read the crap u write
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 09, 2009, 10:20:47 AM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 08, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
you nupcake, he heals himself untill u run out of mana, after that be mana burns you 1-2 times just to be sure and after that he WTFOMFG owns you even with the weakest hydro/stone/proeminence augment.
Hell, even with a bow lol.
he waas on archer do u rly think wind he ll have that much mana for heal himself that many times than he ll take whole mana from his archer?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 09, 2009, 10:21:08 AM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
shut up n read the crap u write
yeah, i thought you mean nuker vs "bot" class like LE, while you really meant archer vs LE. My bad.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Furesy on October 08, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Not completely true.

I couldn't do anything else besides heal? I was capable of re-singing my songs while you were hitting me, I was capable of rebuffing myself with certain buffs for fun (like resist shock and concentration) and you didn't kill me, I even healed myself for a while without re-singing wind storm and you couldn't kill me.

Besides, LE is my main char, and Uthria is also Rebel's main char.

Also, that Dark elf was hitting you that low because you were on full resists against his attacks, which is supposed to be like that. You want mages to hit hard even when the enemy has FULL resists against his attacks? Like 1k hit on someone with every resist possible? What happens then if you lack 1 of these resists, or maybe 2? You will hit 2k or 3k each hit? Nobody will use all 3 resists possible against 1 single element, if you do so you need a total of 18 buffs against all 6 different mage attacks possible lol


either ur blind or for some freakin reason u dont wanna see the point. ye dude i couldnt kill u but ur a support char with deflict arrow.
We test it on laymedown as well and once his windstorm was over he was dead. Layme was spaming heals nonstop .
Now just answer this question and we r done. WHAT COULD A SPS/ES DO? has no reflict arrow no heals
Same goes for any other class without a good heal

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 09, 2009, 11:11:37 AM
relax, i did a mistake, i thought you meant "you" as Lucifsg vs Laymedown or LimitedEdition or any other "bot". now i read again and i see you were on archer.
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 09, 2009, 10:59:46 AM
this cb plague is higly dangerous...am i wrong or this cool guy i had used to like is changing to another CB moron?  :-\
:(
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 09, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
Just curious, did Track fix the thing with stun removing cop?  :)

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Zuluman on October 09, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 11:07:43 AM

either ur blind or for some freakin reason u dont wanna see the point. ye dude i couldnt kill u but ur a support char with deflict arrow.
We test it on laymedown as well and once his windstorm was over he was dead. Layme was spaming heals nonstop .
Now just answer this question and we r done. WHAT COULD A SPS/ES DO? has no reflict arrow no heals
Same goes for any other class without a good heal



L2 is not a solo game, the idea is that you have a bishop in the party to heal you.

Quote from: Ungolianth on October 09, 2009, 10:47:56 AM
tbh wahka own your noob ass anytime  ::)

Sorry I forgot to put yu in this catergory :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 09, 2009, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 09, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
Just curious, did Track fix the thing with stun removing cop?  :)



Im pretty sure it removes iron shield buff aswell.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: Zuluman on October 09, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
L2 is not a solo game, the idea is that you have a bishop in the party to heal you.



Its real funny how archers ll find any answer just to keep their power.

THE IDEA IS CLASSES TO BE BALANCED

N for ur smartass answer here u go archer +bp vs sorc + bp
the archer pt ll win ...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 11:07:43 AM

either ur blind or for some freakin reason u dont wanna see the point. ye dude i couldnt kill u but ur a support char with deflict arrow.
We test it on laymedown as well and once his windstorm was over he was dead. Layme was spaming heals nonstop .
Now just answer this question and we r done. WHAT COULD A SPS/ES DO? has no reflict arrow no heals
Same goes for any other class without a good heal


So wait, basically you want any mage capable to survive archer crits by mere self heals?

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 04:21:29 PM
So wait, basically you want any mage capable to survive archer crits by mere self heals?

Good luck with that.

No dude , i want mages to stand a chance vs archers.
So actually better conditions for mages vs archers cause atm mages are easy pvp for any archer.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
No dude , i want mages to stand a chance vs archers.
So actually better conditions for mages vs archers cause atm mages are easy pvp for any archer.
Wait, isn't that what L2 is all about? Archers > Mages? xD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 06:40:37 PM
Wait, isn't that what L2 is all about? Archers > Mages? xD

lol? since when ?>
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 09, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 11:07:43 AM

either ur blind or for some freakin reason u dont wanna see the point. ye dude i couldnt kill u but ur a support char with deflict arrow.
We test it on laymedown as well and once his windstorm was over he was dead. Layme was spaming heals nonstop .
Now just answer this question and we r done. WHAT COULD A SPS/ES DO? has no reflict arrow no heals
Same goes for any other class without a good heal


bs, i was recharging self and healing, cuz it was boring to only heal, and i could have healed till no mana for sure, and you killed pet like 5 times (1 shot everytime ofc) wich means i managed to find the time to summon them yet... i spent lot of spells on self recharges, 1 time i spent too much time on self recharge and i died, tho u asked me to not use warior bane.. shakle, so lets be honest, if you forbid me to use my skill YES archer can roll, but will you forbid ur enemies to use their spells? doubt so, that's why you cannot compare what we did wich was ONLY dmg/sec test to real pvp.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: our4n0s on October 09, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
bs, i was recharging self and healing, cuz it was boring to only heal, and i could have healed till no mana for sure, and you killed pet like 5 times (1 shot everytime ofc) wich means i managed to find the time to summon them yet... i spent lot of spells on self recharges, 1 time i spent too much time on self recharge and i died, tho u asked me to not use warior bane.. shakle, so lets be honest, if you forbid me to use my skill YES archer can roll, but will you forbid ur enemies to use their spells? doubt so, that's why you cannot compare what we did wich was ONLY dmg/sec test to real pvp.

glenn omg bane is worthless i just use cobact pot again ...
i asked u not to sackle me cause with my range (+ archers will or w/e is called) kiting u , u would never be able to come in range n sackle me.
Read again my post dude and get the freakin point. ur a support char after all . what could u do on thamina ffs
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 09, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
on the background allthough i agree with you on some points, but the fact you mentioned only the points of our test which would tend to show archers as OP is pissing me off, so yeah you killed me, but it was my mistake only, i did 4 recharge in a row and you did few crits bam i died, but i was far from healing non stop, very very far from it, we can retest any time and i will show you what heal nonstop is, i am beting my valakas on it...
Tho, what i agree on is that currently no mage pt from NM will ever kick a decent, even justaverage-icarus-archer-pt, because let's be honest archer is easy to play, fine fine some are better than others ofc... but in a PT vs PT, teamplay is much easier to do from archer's side, you can deny it, like i care (not talking to ya lucif atm ofc xd).
And on NM we ll never gather the mage pt requiring the decent teamplay to kick archer, since for the xxx times our good mages are split all over the server
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 09, 2009, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
glenn omg bane is worthless i just use cobact pot again ...
i asked u not to sackle me cause with my range (+ archers will or w/e is called) kiting u , u would never be able to come in range n sackle me.
Read again my post dude and get the freakin point. ur a support char after all . what could u do on thamina ffs
dude after 20 banes u wont use comba pots, and i can easily manage to do 20 banes, even 50... but tbh right now since we come across the subject, comba po are a huge BS which is basically totally spoiling warior bane skill, GG, 1 less reason to play sumoners
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Deavon on October 09, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 10:09:37 AM
gamhse mas re mlka kai sy kati me ousia exeis na peis epi tu thematos ?
epidh thn exeis vrei dld pu sai archer prepei na les mlkies...

An diavzes estw kai mia fora ta post mou panw sto thema prosixtika den tha anagkazomoun na se kraxw :p
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 09, 2009, 06:57:26 PM
lol? since when ?>
Archers have always been the main enemy of mages in L2. :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 10, 2009, 12:12:25 AM
It's like you are asking why in war is sniper > infantry. xD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Evolution on October 11, 2009, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 07, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
First of all... That defence is not practical for you since that is on soul guard, a skill I highly doubt you use in anything except easy 1 vs 1's since it will freak up your mana.

Second you are a mage/mage without ANY tank skills, ANY good shield def, and Robe set. If you only get hit for 2,7k by archers with IC bow I'd say that is pretty good. And does definately not sound overpowered.
Now try it with song of windstorm and chant of protection and you'll see that the damage can be overhealed.

ok i know... but yea have this 1min resists when archers attack u behind... they always end when i fight lol >.< just make song of windstorm 2min...
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 11, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: TheLox on October 10, 2009, 12:12:25 AM
It's like you are asking why in war is sniper > infantry. xD
the infantry are the dwarfs, the mages are the artilery.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 11, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: Evolution on October 11, 2009, 12:35:32 PM
ok i know... but yea have this 1min resists when archers attack u behind... they always end when i fight lol >.< just make song of windstorm 2min...
Just have SWS in party lol?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 12, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 11, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
Just have SWS in party lol?

even that point of urs is unfair . why elemental song is 3 min and windstorm 59 freakin seconds
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 12, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
even that point of urs is unfair . why elemental song is 3 min and windstorm 59 freakin seconds
as a matter of fact, +1
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 12, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
even that point of urs is unfair . why elemental song is 3 min and windstorm 59 freakin seconds
Why you can enchant Elemental song and can't enchant Song of Windstorm? Hmm, ask NCSoft.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
talking about something that made ncsoft is little funny on this server...here is nothing like it should be  :P
In the end everything remains based on the game created by NCSoft which is called Lineage 2.

Why else whine you want Hellbound? Or Gracia? If this isn't official, why should we bother getting something from official?

Bullshit argument tbh
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
Why you can enchant Elemental song and can't enchant Song of Windstorm? Hmm, ask NCSoft.

Well you could make this argument if this would be a retail like server, but since we have gracia skill bar, buged icarus bow and stuff like that we should try to make things balanced and windstorm lasting only 1 minute doesnt seem balanced to me, since mages without full archer ressists are dead to quick. I would be alright to die fast if mages would also deal decent dammage but they dont.   :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
Well you could make this argument if this would be a retail like server, but since we have gracia skill bar, buged icarus bow and stuff like that we should try to make things balanced and windstorm lasting only 1 minute doesnt seem balanced to me, since mages without full archer ressists are dead to quick. I would be alright to die fast if mages would also deal decent dammage but they dont.   :)
So get an active SWS in party and problem solved? lol

Funny really, people whine so much about botters and shit, and now there is a great positive of having an active SWS in party rather than a bot, and people still whine... Hypocrites yay!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
how many mages are active on sws stats?  ::) ::) ::)
That's their problem isn't it?

Some of you people seriously either never played Lineage 2 how it is supposed to be or totally forgot how to play this game, first learn how to play before you start to whine about such obvious things.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
So get an active SWS in party and problem solved? lol

Funny really, people whine so much about botters and shit, and now there is a great positive of having an active SWS in party rather than a bot, and people still whine... Hypocrites yay!

If its that simple, why dont we have all dances and songs 1 minute and we will get rid of all the bots. Oh and pp/wc buffs could also be like 4 minutes  :)

Actually this would maybe make the pvp more interesting since buffer chars would need to concentrate more on buffing than pvp and if you would want to have all the buffs possible, you wouldnt have that much dammage dealers in your party... This way the new gracia buff bar would be less retarded than it is now.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 03:55:27 PM
If its that simple, why dont we have all dances and songs 1 minute and we will get rid of all the bots. Oh and pp/wc buffs could also be like 4 minutes  :)

Actually this would maybe make the pvp more interesting since buffer chars would need to concentrate more on buffing than pvp and if you would want to have all the buffs possible, you wouldnt have that much dammage dealers in your party... This way the new gracia buff bar would be less retarded than it is now.
Just having 1 very important dance or song lasting short is enough to have an advantage over others who use a bot for it. Having an active SWS or BD in PvP is one of the most important things now, it also adds an extra tactical advantage if you're able to kill the dancers/singers from the enemy party. Not like old times, just kill the healers and all is fine. Now killing the SWS will make the enemy party more vulnerable.

But hey, let everyone just sub to the pwnage class they want, they suck with or without it anyway.

Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 03:57:44 PM
i wanted say that archer have now bigger advantages in all acpects...buffs, dmg, crit rate, range  :-*
That's probably why Spash and me alone killed a full Temp archer party with bishop yesterday right?

Oh, seriously stop talking before you even know what you speak of, Archers don't have advantage with buffs, nor with range and max crit rate is pretty close to each other.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
Just having 1 very important dance or song lasting short is enough to have an advantage over others who use a bot for it. Having an active SWS or BD in PvP is one of the most important things now, it also adds an extra tactical advantage if you're able to kill the dancers/singers from the enemy party. Not like old times, just kill the healers and all is fine. Now killing the SWS will make the enemy party more vulnerable.

Yea it is a tactical advantage if an archer party kills the mage sws, since windstorm lasts only 1 minute and mages really need the song, while it makes not a huge difference for mages to kill the archers sws since other songs last much longer than windstorm.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Yea it is a tactical advantage if an archer party kills the mage sws, since windstorm lasts only 1 minute and mages really need the song, while it makes not a huge difference for mages to kill the archers sws since other songs last much longer than windstorm.
Yup and mages have the advantage that they can ress each other way faster and often can keep each other alive besides only the bishop. Lets change that as well?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Triuferkkk on October 12, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
how many mages are active on sws stats?  ::) ::) ::)
on mage stats ask for Haste and start use Cov so u wont have problem with reuse of song of windstorm ....
i forgot  mages r addicted from pow xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 04:36:02 PM
lasting of m def songs is longer + u can enchant them...range is longer dont say its lie lol...archers crit almost every 2 hits without valakas which cost 300 coins...higher dmg...where u see here bullshits? its fact but hard to accept for an archer...wow u killed an party of dunno who u wanna medal? xD
Oh, massive fail here.

Don't talk if you haven't played for ages as you claim.

Archer range has been bugged since beginning of HB.
Archers were always able to get 500 crit rate, it's normal on fullbuffs. Mages can kill without magic crits also.
Ask NCSoft about Warding song maybe?

Oh, and really major fail. I play SWS/EE.

Quote from: Triuferkkk on October 12, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
on mage stats ask for Haste and start use Cov so u wont have problem with reuse of song of windstorm ....
i forgot  mages r addicted from pow xd
Wind storm on mage stats is re-used even before it ends without haste or CoV buff.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:28:26 PM
Yup and mages have the advantage that they can ress each other way faster and often can keep each other alive besides only the bishop. Lets change that as well?

The really fast Blessed ress scrool killed the huge advantage of mages being able to ress fast.

You lost the argument with windstorm and now you moved offtopic where the discussion can have no end and i dont really want to make another long and boring comparison with mages vs archers since im gonna get zerged by CB garbage here and all other archers since most of the server plays archers nowadays so theres really no point in continuing this post.

Cya, im off to studying  ;)


Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 04:50:57 PM
The really fast Blessed ress scrool killed the huge advantage of mages being able to ress fast.
Hmm, 3 seconds ress time vs almost instant?

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You lost the argument with windstorm and now you moved offtopic where the discussion can have no end and i dont really want to make another long and boring comparison with mages vs archers since im gonna get zerged by CB garbage here and all other archers since most of the server plays archers nowadays so theres really no point in continuing this post.
Show me where I lost any argument please, to bad that argument makes no sense because I play mage :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
u wanna say here that archers got same range like mages now?  ::)
Yup, sometimes even lower because the range is bugged.

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ye mages can kill without magic crits since they hit for 300-400 dmg?  ::)
That's normal if you hit a target that is buffed up with resists against your attacks, it's called being a smart enemy. In small PvP's this happens quite often and people start to cry.
I want to see that on siege, buffing yourself up with all resists against mage attacks means you need 18 slots alone for resists, goodluck.

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why u talk about warding song since i am complaining that mage def songs can be enchanted and anti archers dont?  ::)
Because you started about it? There's only 1 anti archer song, while there is many different for all the type of mage attacks, maybe we should make arrows of different type as well and you can have different songs for archers also?

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but its lesser comfortasble  ::)
What?

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still u not proved nothing only that u wanna look smart like always and that u are in pubertal state  ::)
Look who is talking? Someone who claims he "doesn't play anymore" but still tries to be smart about something he obviously knows shit of?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
Why you can enchant Elemental song and can't enchant Song of Windstorm? Hmm, ask NCSoft.
That's not it, Elemtal song has a base of 2 mins while Windstorm has a base of 1 min, we aren't talking about enchants
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 05:03:21 PM
That's not it, Elemtal song has a base of 2 mins while Windstorm has a base of 1 min, we aren't talking about enchants
So make Elemental 1 min also? Will be even better against botters.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 12, 2009, 05:08:43 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
There's only 1 anti archer song, while there is many different for all the type of mage attacks, maybe we should make arrows of different type as well and you can have different songs for archers also?
Oh that would be cool. Imo change their types by colors. Song of anti-pink arrows. Dance of anti-purple arrows. And also! Make 16 million of arrow colors!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:08:30 PM
i mean even i am buffed well against archers and i got defflect arrow cuz i am songer thay hit me for 800-1000 with crits witch is still more comparing to 300-400 dmg i make them  ::)
You just suck at buffing yourself then?

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i wanted tell that archers got more m def buffs then mages got buffs against archers  ::)
And you call that a negative thing? Mages only need 1 song and 1 buff to be protected against archers, while other classes need a total of 18+ buffs to be protected from all different type of mage attacks, hell I'd take the 2 buffs for archer anytime.

Quotei mean its more comfortable to sing a song which last +++minutes like resing a song every 1 min  ::)
Sure it is, but also makes it easier to bot SWS and BD's like always, which is boring and totally ruins concept of L2.

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i dont play 6 or more hours a day like before since some months i log once per weak maybe but that dont mean i dont do pvp lol  ::)
Yet you claim different on every situation, wow get your facts straight.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
u wanna say here that archers got same range like mages now?  ::)
ye mages can kill without magic crits since they hit for 300-400 dmg?  ::)
why u talk about warding song since i am complaining that mage def songs can be enchanted and anti archers dont?  ::)
but its lesser comfortasble  ::)
still u not proved nothing only that u wanna look smart like always and that u are in pubertal state  ::)
excuse me but, what's the point of changing the color from white to red of a whole post ?  :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:17:23 PM
its hard to prove something to some1 who dont wanna hear the truth..keep your illusion that mages are balanced with archers now...u r acting soo smart that i feel like i am 12 again :q ty for this feeling youngster ;p
It's hard to prove something to someone who is to stupid to understand the concept of a game he already plays for (?) years?

My 'illusion' is based on mere facts, I play mage myself, archers don't kill me. I die mainly by mages or a lucky dagger.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:32:41 PM
i never had problems with archers in the past...and since i got archer i can play it anytime with no problems but i like my ungita <3 and u play buffbot not mage ;p
It's a mage, and without those 'buffbots' you aint gona do shit.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
Show me where I lost any argument please, to bad that argument makes no sense because I play mage :)

We talked about song of windstorm being just 1 minute while songs against mages last more. You replayed with crap like, blame ncsoft and later replayed with crap like get an active sws -> well we should than make atleast song of element to 1 minute so it would be balanced. But since the only song that lasts 1 minute is windstorm, your post about tactical advantage made no sence since its again the advantage of archers, cuz song of element lasts much longer. After i explained how your posts were wrong, you than changed the subject and started talking about some other advantage that a mage has over an archer.

And the fact that you curently play a mage doesnt change anything.  ;)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ozukyz on October 12, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
We talked about song of windstorm being just 1 minute while songs against mages last more. You replayed with crap like, blame ncsoft and later replayed with crap like get an active sws -> well we should than make atleast song of element to 1 minute so it would be balanced. But since the only song that lasts 1 minute is windstorm, your post about tactical advantage made no sence since its again the advantage of archers, cuz song of element lasts much longer. After i explained how your posts were wrong, you than changed the subject and started talking about some other advantage that a mage has over an archer.

And the fact that you curently play a mage doesnt change anything.  ;)

yea furesy is one dumb noob .. L2P !
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 07:01:55 PM
We talked about song of windstorm being just 1 minute while songs against mages last more. You replayed with crap like, blame ncsoft and later replayed with crap like get an active sws -> well we should than make atleast song of element to 1 minute so it would be balanced. But since the only song that lasts 1 minute is windstorm, your post about tactical advantage made no sence since its again the advantage of archers, cuz song of element lasts much longer. After i explained how your posts were wrong, you than changed the subject and started talking about some other advantage that a mage has over an archer.

And the fact that you curently play a mage doesnt change anything.  ;)
And where you see me go against changing Elemental song to 1 min? I'd say that's fine with me.

I replied with the fact blame NCSoft because Elemental song and Wind storm are 2 completely different type of songs, the reason for this is that Wind Storm can not be enchanted, while Elemental can. Wind Storm is a 'temporary boost' against archers damage, while wind storm is a song to be kept up. But sure, make Elemental song 1 min as well, it won't really matter since Elemental can be enchanted while Wind storm can't.

The only thing I said was that it really doesn't matter at all if it is 1 minute or 3 minutes, because if you have an active SWS he can easily resing it before it runs off, I also stated it's much better to have it short, because it brings an additional tactic to the PvP.
You're just to blind to see this because you keep bashing on making Wind Storm same as Elemental and how unfair it is, but where you see me say Elemental shouldn't be the same time? I didn't.

I simply stated the positive things of having it 1 minute and what it adds to the PvP's, and that it's far from 'uber' unfair like the world is going to end and how mages suck and how archers are 'pwnage' now, I laugh really. You people have no idea about PvP, hence I'm arguing with 2 guys that keep whining about how much NM sucks now and how less they play nowadays?

Learn 2 play.

Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 07:28:47 PM
guess why he play mage now? go take a look in banlist ;p
Too bad you know nothing again, I already played my mage long before it got banned.

Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
mage from word ------>magic (iceblast, firewalls, hurricanes ;p)   buffbots (buffs ;p) u think they would call gandalf a mage when he will only buff hobbits? ;p
A mage is a character that uses magic, buffs are magic, hence it's a mage.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 12, 2009, 07:37:20 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:32:41 PM
and u play buffbot not mage ;p

Active buffers are just faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar superior to bots. If it were up to me even dualboxing should be bannable.

PS. You are confusing the word Mage with the word Nuker
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
then why i saw u in varka always with furesy?  ::)
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 09, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
its not crime mighty markz00r but u thought elesse will pown again but after that we pown u at dino u rerolled quickly back to amateur, maybe u forget to play her  ;) i cant go varka since i dont play  :-*
Ok.

PS: You still know shit.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:47:38 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 07:44:39 PM
i got spies everywhere ;p and since i dont play much that dont means i dont see when my friends in our cyber are in varka and u running around ::)
gimme some more clues xDDDD
Keep guessing boy... You really have no idea what you're talking about.
I played Furesy when I was alone or when I felt like it, but my SWS/EE has been my main char since IL.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ozukyz on October 12, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 07:44:39 PM
i got spies everywhere ;p and since i dont play much that dont means i dont see when my friends in our cyber are in varka and u running around ::)
gimme some more clues xDDDD


i have like 6chars in cb's :<   4 in temps 2 in sins    ...noone knows XD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 12, 2009, 07:55:18 PM
so basically ur a support char not a mage. or should we all reroll to pal/bp just to say we can survive archers.
as for the hypocrite part , who s the hypocrite here . even cat buff last 3-4 min . why the only main resist buff vs archers should last 59 seconds ...
i dont get it u try to convince us thats the way it should be while resist buffs for archers vs mages last more than 3min?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 12, 2009, 07:55:18 PM
so basically ur a support char not a mage. or should we all reroll to pal/bp just to say we can survive archers.
A mage is a character that uses magic, a healer or a buffer uses buffs, heals, debuffs, all of those are magic based spells, which makes it a mage.
What is the big deal with people whining about support/support chars? Without basic support classes and chars, all your 'leet' chars wouldn't hurt a freaking elpy. Seriously get over yourselves.

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as for the hypocrite part , who s the hypocrite here . even cat buff last 3-4 min . why the only main resist buff vs archers should last 59 seconds ...
Maybe because NCSoft implemented the song against archery attacks as a temporary boost of defense. It isn't temporary anyway, you can have it 100% with active SWS, but sure make Elemental 1 min also, it would be better tbh.

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i dont get it u try to convince us thats the way it should be while resist buffs for archers vs mages last more than 3min?
People really need to learn to read with understanding, I didn't say anywhere I'm against making Elemental song 1 min also, I simply said I thought it was fine that Wind Storm was 1 minute, and I gave my reasons to say so.
And people should really stop bullshitting about how weak mages are and how overpowered archers are, because that is just random bullshit because people can't figure out how to adapt to different gamestyles.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 08:14:45 PM
y but make it non enchantable  ::)
Sure but gimme the bogs back I used to make it +5 xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on October 12, 2009, 05:19:18 PM
dunno wanted change stereotype...btw u could answer me i alredy replyed to your question in pm  :)
make me an offer
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
furesy stop freakingblabling aob ut freaking ncsoft its fcking custom server not a fcking ncsoft one ... did u saw stuck subclasses on official ?? its fcking private server with custom shits so stop blabling about it rly... make this song 3 minut at least
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
But sure, make Elemental song 1 min as well, it won't really matter since Elemental can be enchanted while Wind storm can't.

wrong, Windstorm has a base of 1 min while Elem has a base of 3 mins, make elem 1 min, guess what every +1 enchant ll add ? 5 sec.
have fun making ur Third class skill +3 to win 15 sec  and using 20 bogs by the way
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
furesy stop freakingblabling aob ut freaking ncsoft its fcking custom server not a fcking ncsoft one ... did u saw stuck subclasses on official ?? its fcking private server with custom shits so stop blabling about it rly... make this song 3 minut at least
Private server is still based on official Lineage 2 made by NCSoft, else just ask bow mastery for mage classes also, and a bit more STR, it's private server after all!

Better make Elemental song 1 minute also, rather then making Wind Storm 3 minutes. Else you can once again just bot SWS.

Quote from: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
wrong, Windstorm has a base of 1 min while Elem has a base of 3 mins, make elem 1 min, guess what every +1 enchant ll add ? 5 sec.
have fun making ur Third class skill +3 to win 15 sec  and using 20 bogs by the way
+1 time adds like 10 or 15 seconds afaik. Still makes my Song of Elemental +50 / +75 seconds x)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
Private server is still based on official Lineage 2 made by NCSoft, else just ask bow mastery for mage classes also, and a bit more STR, it's private server after all!

so fix icarus bow :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
so fix icarus bow :P
I always said they should fix the re-use of the arrows, archers are supposed to attack slow and hit for a lot, but nowadays they attack fast and hit 'low/normal' dmg.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:13:05 PM

+1 time adds like 10 or 15 seconds afaik. Still makes my Song of Elemental +50 / +75 seconds x)
i am talking about something i clearly checked with agil, guess what he has rene and medi both +4, you got them +5, and the dif is exactly of 5 sec, and it is what every enchant +1 gives, same with elemental.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 11:46:14 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
And where you see me go against changing Elemental song to 1 min? I'd say that's fine with me. Ok, well than where did you see me saying that you are against the 1 min song? I was just talking that having windstorm at 1 minute makes archers have an advantage and to balance it elemental song should be also 1 minute.

I replied with the fact blame NCSoft because Elemental song and Wind storm are 2 completely different type of songs, the reason for this is that Wind Storm can not be enchanted, while Elemental can. Wind Storm is a 'temporary boost' against archers damage, while wind storm is a song to be kept up. But sure, make Elemental song 1 min as well, it won't really matter since Elemental can be enchanted while Wind storm can't. And i replayed that you are wrong with talking about ncsoft, since the only thing that matters is that we balance things here cuz of lots of custom stuff and make the server more fun for all kinds of chars.

The only thing I said was that it really doesn't matter at all if it is 1 minute or 3 minutes, because if you have an active SWS he can easily resing it before it runs off, It does matter since its a chance that a mage sws forgets to resing it or he dies so archers party has an advantage. I also stated it's much better to have it short, because it brings an additional tactic to the PvP. I agree, thats why it might be better to have all songs and dances at 1-2 minutes.
I simply stated the positive things of having it 1 minute and what it adds to the PvP's, and that it's far from 'uber' unfair like the world is going to end and how mages suck and how archers are 'pwnage' now, I laugh really. You people have no idea about PvP, hence I'm arguing with 2 guys that keep whining about how much NM sucks now and how less they play nowadays?
And i stated all negative things that this 1 minute songs brings to mages. I wouldnt mention this little thing if there wouldnt be so much other retarded stuff on this server with archers, like cop being removed by stun and track doesnt give a flying freak to fix it. And stuff like machine gun bows, 34 or 36 buff slots that ruined the days when you need to change your buff bar every few minutes depending on the enemy you fought against. Those are facts that ruin the server, those things could get fixed.  
Learn 2 play. Yea, your gonna teach me how to play rofl. Iw been playing lots of chars, true mostly mages and there were times when things were even more unbalanced but i still played, but since i care for the server cuz i might still be playing a little when winter ends, i talk about things that make the server unbalanced and less interesting.  


And again your post made no sense. You just replayed with some rondom crap and added some provocations and thats it.
Anyways, get over yourself... Just lol at your way thinking how awesome your way of thinking is. Not saying all your posts are bs, since mostly they make sence and i agree with em but the last few posts you posted were wrong  ;)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:40:31 PM
I always said they should fix the re-use of the arrows, archers are supposed to attack slow and hit for a lot, but nowadays they attack fast and hit 'low/normal' dmg.
play mage without deflect arrow :P u ll see " low/normal" dmg for 5k when u dont have song windostorm and chant protection :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 12, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
I'm on a motherfreakin' boat motherfreaka! :))
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: cthon on October 12, 2009, 11:55:57 PM
Quote from: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
play mage without deflect arrow :P u ll see " low/normal" dmg for 5k when u dont have song windostorm and chant protection :P

hit an archer w/o m barrier and warding
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 12, 2009, 11:46:14 PM

And again your post made no sense. You just replayed with some rondom crap and added some provocations and thats it.
Anyways, get over yourself... Just lol at your way thinking how awesome your way of thinking is. Not saying all your posts are bs, since mostly they make sence and i agree with em but the last few posts you posted were wrong  ;)
Maybe from your point of view? Kinda bullshit tbh.

Your main 'argument' against me is to make Elemental just as long as Wind Storm -> 1 minute, I totally agreed with that from the beginning, I just went against the fact of making it 3 minutes. I gave you my arguments for it, so the problem remains where? lol
You seemed to think I was completely against 'balancing anything', that it was fine like this, tbh I don't care whether Elemental song is made 1 minute as well, if people really think that will make a difference in PvP then so be it. For me it won't matter at all. I can re-sing and keep them both up for all I care.

As someone else already stated before, nowadays in 'big' PvP's you really need Wind Storm / Elemental protections / Chant of Protection to be able to survive, making a song like wind storm 3+ minutes again only makes SWS yet again another bot and doesn't add anything of having it as an active char in party, make Elemental song 1 minute also if people really think that will matter a lot.

Quote from: jygh on October 12, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
play mage without deflect arrow :P u ll see " low/normal" dmg for 5k when u dont have song windostorm and chant protection :P
SWS has Deflect arrow lvl 2, it decreases archer dmg not 'that' much. Without it I'll get hit for like 1.1k / 1.2k from an archer with +++ Icarus and Might augment.
Any mage that dies by archers and doesn't have Wind Storm and Chant of Protection and whines about it should shut the freak up and learn how to buff lol

Quote from: our4n0s on October 12, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
i am talking about something i clearly checked with agil, guess what he has rene and medi both +4, you got them +5, and the dif is exactly of 5 sec, and it is what every enchant +1 gives, same with elemental.
A basic song, non enchanted lasts? 3 minutes? Mine are +16 and last 6+ minutes. That's 180 seconds more divided by 3, which means ~12 seconds for each +time enchant. Elemental song lasts how many as a base? 2 or 3 minutes? Mine lasts more than 3 minutes for sure.
I'll test again when I get home from school, and ask Drake how many +time enchant exactly gives.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 07:47:20 AM
bot or not, i guess you would rather sing it once at 3 minutes, not at one minute, since you consume less mana.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 08:02:19 AM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 07:47:20 AM
bot or not, i guess you would rather sing it once at 3 minutes, not at one minute, since you consume less mana.
Mana really isn't that much of a problem, and I'm an SWS after all eh? I'm supposed to sing songs and keep my party ready for fighting. I personally find it a bit of a challenge to make sure my party has the right songs and keeping them up, during the entire PvP. Because it's a major advantage towards the other party, which often has a bot SWS or some SWS who can't do his job properly.

If Drake has time I'll ask him about Song of Elemental / Wind Storm as well, see what he says about Wind Storm being 1 minute and none enchantable and Elemental being 2 / 3 minutes and enchantable.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: XForCE on October 13, 2009, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 05, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Well last night i was with luci (ne/pp) in full buffs so i  went alone like i used to (before i start olying,) to zerg varka. It was fun vs 2-3 random guys till 4-5 ftr and nitopami arived and killed me. I felt so much dissapointed realizing my favorite char cant do sh1t alone anymore vs proper resists and tbh it was the 1st time i gave up and was tempted to switch on an archer. So i logged a pp/he with some good gear and icarus bow took buffs and went back there. WTF ? OWNAGE ? this hawkeye was giving around 4-5k's like giving candys to little kids and i didnt even was full buffed. Killed 8 guys (more than 1 time each cause of rez ) in some seconds. Even when nito start running after me with like 5 supporters on his ass the char was handling really good due to kiting.
Galdaf (ne/bp) arived some time after so we dueled in almost full buffs (we both was missing pet buffs). Guess what he won just once cause he anchored me and i didnt even kite him, i just stood there. i was criting him for 2.5k and his best crit was 700 on me ...

So my dream is to make mages worth again a bit more vs archers and any other class. Any fighter with resists and thoose new FS now can minimize damage to less than 200/per hit. There is a 20 page topic about OP archers. Track will smth change or it will remain as it is ?


yeah , and i my dream is to make glads strong in pvp by emporing there skills
but u know , these are just sh1t dreams , so forget about it :P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 08:18:53 PM
Sure but gimme the bogs back I used to make it +5 xd

Did u actually use any ?

cause this
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
+1 time adds like 10 or 15 seconds afaik. Still makes my Song of Elemental +50 / +75 seconds x)
show us u know sh1t about skill enchants . And trust me making ur 3rd class songs +6 would make u at least notice how many sec each enchant add. Also i dont understand why u keep saying make elemental 1 min since most players want windstorm back to 3 min .
As for the defination of mage save ur words dude ur not a mage ur a support char with enchanted skills, wanting for some reason windstorm song to last 1 min

Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 13, 2009, 03:53:33 PM
No, with lucif we tested rene 4 to 5 is 5 sec dif, medi 4 to 6 10 sec dif, champion 0 to 5 25 sec dif, enchant songs second class is more efficient than enchant songs third class.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 11:30:18 AM
Did u actually use any ?
Did you?

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cause this show us u know sh1t about skill enchants . And trust me making ur 3rd class songs +6 would make u at least notice how many sec each enchant add.
Why should I? I asked how many it add, I don't pay so much attention to the length of every song, I only know about the 2nd class songs, so I already asked how many Elemental etc normally lasts. And major care I made one small thing and you start to whine about it, maybe remember you were the one saying "getting 4k crits on 7k P def, under hero UD!" eh?

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Also i dont understand why u keep saying make elemental 1 min since most players want windstorm back to 3 min .
Maybe actually read a bit then, if you still didn't get it lol

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As for the defination of mage save ur words dude ur not a mage ur a support char with enchanted skills, wanting for some reason windstorm song to last 1 min
You still unable to get it? Jeeez lol
And seriously, get over yourself, what the freak it matter if it's a mage, fighter or the freaking queen of England? A mage is a character that uses spells and magic as their main skills, what does EE do? Magic! When you create your char, you can choose "fighter" or "mage", I never saw the option of "support" eh?

Quote from: our4n0s on October 13, 2009, 03:53:33 PM
No, with lucif we tested rene 4 to 5 is 5 sec dif, medi 4 to 6 10 sec dif, champion 0 to 5 25 sec dif, enchant songs second class is more efficient than enchant songs third class.
So I was wrong about Elemental song, I didn't check it myself, I kinda believed Drake on what he said tbh!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: our4n0s on October 13, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 04:01:44 PM

And seriously, get over yourself, what the freak it matter if it's a mage, fighter or the freaking queen of England? A mage is a character that uses spells and magic as their main skills, what does EE do? Magic! When you create your char, you can choose "fighter" or "mage", I never saw the option of "support" eh?
rofl, got a point imo.
And i fully support 1 min elem song rather than 3 min ws.


I think it is obvious that if we look globally, The Global WS 2 mins Elem 2 mins -> WS 1 min Elem 1 min is a fighter nerf and therefore an archer nerf as well, considering archer as a fighter but since lucisg doesn't consider ee/sws a mage i am not sure what to expect  ;D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
Okay, I talked to Drake;

Drake zegt:
hi, tell me
but dunno if i will receive
i have huge ISP issues
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
hey
Drake zegt:
that's why no updates since 1 week
50% packets lost
dunno how i can be on MSN too

Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
they now cry about Wind Storm song being 1 min, while Elemental song is still 3 min
Drake zegt:
so we gonna change some stuffs
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
and Wind storm = not enchantable
and song of elemental = enchantable
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
yes, they whine about it because they claim "wind storm being 1 minute is boost for archers"
I personally would say make Elemental 1 minute also
my reason for saying this is, if you make all songs +++ times etc
it's rly easy to bot an SWS, with Wind Storm only 1 minute
it makes sense and is a huge advantage is you have an active SWS in party
and since Elemental song and Wind Storm are rly good songs to have at pvp, it makes it worth to have an active SWS to keep those up
Drake zegt:
ok, good deal... is what i wanted to do too 
also probably there will be back the 5% damage reduction for arrows (global)
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost on daggers damage

Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the kamael
Drake zegt:
i got finally a good report of bugs of them
so i can work on them in a good way

Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
you will change the Icarus bows re-use time of arrows as well?
or that will remain?
Drake zegt:
will remain, for now
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
I maybe have a suggestion concerning that
Drake zegt:
like?
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
dont know how hard it is, but you could maybe add another SA to icarus bow
like "Quick Recovery"
so archers need to choose between faster arrow re-use delay on icarus, or the Focus SA
(still I would nerf the re-use of arrows a bit on icarus  )
Drake zegt:
 
well, could work


I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Dag on October 13, 2009, 05:15:55 PM
dagger +20% :*
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 13, 2009, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
Okay, I talked to Drake;

Drake zegt:
hi, tell me
but dunno if i will receive
i have huge ISP issues
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
hey
Drake zegt:
that's why no updates since 1 week
50% packets lost
dunno how i can be on MSN too

Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
they now cry about Wind Storm song being 1 min, while Elemental song is still 3 min
Drake zegt:
so we gonna change some stuffs
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
and Wind storm = not enchantable
and song of elemental = enchantable
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
yes, they whine about it because they claim "wind storm being 1 minute is boost for archers"
I personally would say make Elemental 1 minute also
my reason for saying this is, if you make all songs +++ times etc
it's rly easy to bot an SWS, with Wind Storm only 1 minute
it makes sense and is a huge advantage is you have an active SWS in party
and since Elemental song and Wind Storm are rly good songs to have at pvp, it makes it worth to have an active SWS to keep those up
Drake zegt:
ok, good deal... is what i wanted to do too 
also probably there will be back the 5% damage reduction for arrows (global)
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost on daggers damage

Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the kamael
Drake zegt:
i got finally a good report of bugs of them
so i can work on them in a good way

Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
you will change the Icarus bows re-use time of arrows as well?
or that will remain?
Drake zegt:
will remain, for now
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
I maybe have a suggestion concerning that
Drake zegt:
like?
Furesy .:. Maarten zegt:
dont know how hard it is, but you could maybe add another SA to icarus bow
like "Quick Recovery"
so archers need to choose between faster arrow re-use delay on icarus, or the Focus SA
(still I would nerf the re-use of arrows a bit on icarus  )
Drake zegt:
 
well, could work


I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd

Ohhh noes, do you have any idea what you just did?

We have ppl thinking that CB gets free items already by having tracks msn.... What are they gonna think now when there's Drake msn aswell Oo


PS. Drake's ISP is the worst one EVER! 50 bucks says he's leeching wireless i-net from his neighbours.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Dag on October 13, 2009, 05:27:36 PM
try to google for digital divide in italy :D

u'll be damn surprised
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 13, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
woohoo! I'll be finally able to deal some reasonable damage to those god damned gladiators!  :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Deavon on October 13, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on October 13, 2009, 05:25:09 PM
Ohhh noes, do you have any idea what you just did?

We have ppl thinking that CB gets free items already by having tracks msn.... What are they gonna think now when there's Drake msn aswell Oo


i ll answer you on that .
As a good friend said to me ,you cant find Drake's msn except if he wanna find you !
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Did you?
only part worth commenting . its pointless argueing with u...

last time i checked mine was +9 and suddenly LE over a night got +16  IL songs (who knows about passives maybe +30) and +6/5 3rd class songs.
2 days later enchant skill list got removed due to enchant exploits.

can u connect thoose 2 facts ?
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: legendaryvicious on October 13, 2009, 06:43:18 PM
You guys are focusing on skills that are working correctly (windstorm) and forgetting about the skill that is freaking things up coz of being bugged: chant of protection.  It's worth shit if you have an active wc in party or a bot one, its the same: any stun skill removes cop, and active wc in pt would have to rebuff the damn thing everytime stun lands on a party member, that means that he/she would have to either have the party buff bars on to see their buffs (wich i as a sws do to know when someone was too far to get any song) and the problem is that in a fullbuff party of 4 people is freaking hard to notice in less than 5 seconds wich buffs are missing the party members, i can imagine that a party of 9 people is even harder, or the wc could also spam the damn buff every second (at 286 or so mp cost....) making it difficult for him/her to do anything else.  drake/track have to fix that buff and the whining about archers being op will be over coz  then people will be able to run a pvp without loosing cop before doing anything.

P.S: Song of  windstorm is fine as it is, sws's spend a bit more mp but at least it makes the class a bit less bottable (lol at that  word xD)

EDIT: oh i forgot, the wc can also have the debuff bar of party members on, but he/she will die almost instantly whenever re-buffing cop and still it will get removed everytime someone gets stunned.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 05:47:56 PM
only part worth commenting . its pointless argueing with u...
Maybe you can't comment on the rest because I'm right and you don't got anything else to say?

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last time i checked mine was +9 and suddenly LE over a night got +16  IL songs (who knows about passives maybe +30) and +6/5 3rd class songs.
Yes all my passives are +30. I also have UD lvl 2 +30 time and Deflect arrow lvl 4 actually! Soul guard and Guard stance is also nice, not to forget AI of course.

Just because you didn't do something, or others have what you don't or didn't have, doesn't mean they can't have it. I used all my bogs, and Altheo supported me with his.

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2 days later enchant skill list got removed due to enchant exploits.
Yup.

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can u connect thoose 2 facts ?
Yup, I'm a cheater.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM

Okay, I talked to Drake too

Drake zegt:
hi trooper, wazzup?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
hey fag, im fine
Drake zegt:
ur ban finish or i have to unban you?

Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ehhhh dont worry mennn, mi no bad user
Drake zegt:
aaa good then
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
Drake u damn bestart, do you have dreams too?
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
yes :D
Drake zegt:
ok, i go now to nursery school
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice, what else u will do?
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost my moustache
Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the baler machine
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ok cya later
Drake zegt:
if u have problems on nightmare again, just pm me ok?
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
ehh, okay okay no worriiiiiieeeee
Drake zegt:
cya mater



I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Deavon on October 13, 2009, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Okay, I talked to Drake too

Drake zegt:
hi trooper, wazzup?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
hey fag, im fine
Drake zegt:
ur ban finish or i have to unban you?

Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ehhhh dont worry mennn, mi no bad user
Drake zegt:
aaa good then
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
Drake u damn bestart, do you have dreams too?
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
yes :D
Drake zegt:
ok, i go now to nursery school
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice, what else u will do?
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost my moustache
Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the baler machine
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ok cya later
Drake zegt:
if u have problems on nightmare again, just pm me ok?
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
ehh, okay okay no worriiiiiieeeee
Drake zegt:
cya mater



I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd


Or i lost my sense of humor or that was funny xD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Okay, I talked to Drake too

Drake zegt:
hi trooper, wazzup?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
hey fag, im fine
Drake zegt:
ur ban finish or i have to unban you?

Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ehhhh dont worry mennn, mi no bad user
Drake zegt:
aaa good then
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
Drake u damn bestart, do you have dreams too?
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
yes :D
Drake zegt:
ok, i go now to nursery school
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice, what else u will do?
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost my moustache
Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the baler machine
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ok cya later
Drake zegt:
if u have problems on nightmare again, just pm me ok?
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
ehh, okay okay no worriiiiiieeeee
Drake zegt:
cya mater



I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd

:D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TheLox on October 13, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Okay, I talked to Drake too

Drake zegt:
hi trooper, wazzup?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
hey fag, im fine
Drake zegt:
ur ban finish or i have to unban you?

Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ehhhh dont worry mennn, mi no bad user
Drake zegt:
aaa good then
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
Drake u damn bestart, do you have dreams too?
Drake zegt:
they want windsotrm 3min?
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
yes :D
Drake zegt:
ok, i go now to nursery school
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
aha nice, what else u will do?
Drake zegt:
and 20% boost my moustache
Drake zegt:
even if my primary concern now is fix the baler machine
Trooper .:. Maarten zegt:
ok cya later
Drake zegt:
if u have problems on nightmare again, just pm me ok?
Trooper.:. Maarten zegt:
ehh, okay okay no worriiiiiieeeee
Drake zegt:
cya mater



I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd


K, you FAIL.

This is Furesy's nickname on MSN. You should remove that too.

:P
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: jygh on October 13, 2009, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: TheLox on October 13, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
K, you FAIL.

This is Furesy's nickname on MSN. You should remove that too.

:P
troper is marteen also so its not fail ....
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 13, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 07:35:26 AM
Your main 'argument' against me is to make Elemental just as long as Wind Storm -> 1 minute, I totally agreed with that from the beginning, I just went against the fact of making it 3 minutes. I gave you my arguments for it, so the problem remains where? lol
You seemed to think I was completely against 'balancing anything', that it was fine like this, tbh I don't care whether Elemental song is made 1 minute as well, if people really think that will make a difference in PvP then so be it. For me it won't matter at all. I can re-sing and keep them both up for all I care.
I never said i want windstorm to be 3 minutes or that i want song of element to be 1, my whole point was that having windstorm last only 1 minute is an advantage of archers and should be fixed by either having both songs 3 or 1 minute. But yeh, having them both 1 minute would be better.
And no, you didnt agree from the beginning... I said that having windstorm 1 minute is unfair when song of element is 3. You just replayed with "have an active sws in party and problem solved" while its not solved since that way archers still have an advantage. Than came the bs with advantage of having an active sws in party and thats true, but the advantage is again on the side of archers since they have the song last much longer. Than you ran out of arguments and posted the thing about ress. But than later you agreed that song of element could also be 1 minute to make it fair.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 13, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
I never said i want windstorm to be 3 minutes or that i want song of element to be 1, my whole point was that having windstorm last only 1 minute is an advantage of archers and should be fixed by either having both songs 3 or 1 minute. But yeh, having them both 1 minute would be better.
Others did, I wasn't only talking to you from the start of topic.

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And no, you didnt agree from the beginning... I said that having windstorm 1 minute is unfair when song of element is 3.
I simply said from my own personal opinion and experience, that it's no problem at all.

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You just replayed with "have an active sws in party and problem solved" while its not solved since that way archers still have an advantage.
Again, from my own opinion and my own experience, since I'm the one that needs to keep Wind Storm up all the time, I played last couple of days in a mage party that wasn't very big, we were just very good organized and it was no problem at all.

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Than came the bs with advantage of having an active sws in party and thats true, but the advantage is again on the side of archers since they have the song last much longer.
Yup, I said that myself and didn't deny that.

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Than you ran out of arguments and posted the thing about ress.
Don't see anywhere where I ran out of arguments, I just started to make fun of people who one time claim "this isn't official but private server" when they want things this way, then at other times they claim "it's like this on official" when they want it that way. It's funny.

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But than later you agreed that song of element could also be 1 minute to make it fair.
Said that from the beginning, "make Elemental Song 1 minute as well if you think it matters that much", yet I sticked to my point that it doesn't matter at all if you have an active SWS in party, and I went against the claim to make Wind Storm 3 minutes again, since that would make SWS less needed as an active char once again. (which I stated like numerous times)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: mark_elesse on October 13, 2009, 11:33:21 PM
i would like remind you all that Fure is in CB again. so we simple cant let him play on NM without cheat/gm help/edited skills or stats. please leave him alone or donate more then we do for takin his char-edits back. ty.
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/466_horse3.swf
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: TomekAlmighty on October 13, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 10:27:56 PM
Well lucifsg posts that archers crit for 6k on him when hes got fullbuffs + hero ud and that archers damage should be nerfed and thats apparently his own opinion and experience, but we replay cuz his posts are bs.

Your posts were wrong so i replayed, but well you never seem to realize you were wrong no matter what so ill just stop trying.  :)
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 11:41:07 PM
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/466_horse3.swf
WindPhoenix says:
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/466_horse3.swf
.ilMacellaioMeccanico says:
ROFLMAO
WindPhoenix says:
xD
sweeeet lemonaaaaade, sweeet lemonadeeeee
.ilMacellaioMeccanico says:
hahahaha
FTW!

I'm edited too : <
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 13, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Well lucifsg posts that archers crit for 6k on him when hes got fullbuffs + hero ud and that archers damage should be nerfed and thats apparently his own opinion and experience, but we replay cuz his posts are bs.

Your posts were wrong so i replayed, but well you never seem to realize you were wrong no matter what so ill just stop trying.  :)

I don't feel like going on either cause I go sleep! Lets call it a day :D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on October 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
I took a few parts out because it wasn't related to L2 and I got no need to share that xd
dont make me to post this
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: trooperXkoki on October 14, 2009, 01:37:43 AM
Quote from: TheLox on October 13, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
This is Furesy's nickname on MSN.

:P
furesy have msn?  :o
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Ashlynn on October 14, 2009, 01:55:53 AM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on October 14, 2009, 01:37:43 AM
furesy have msn?  :o
no, he is sending homing pigeons every time he needs a company.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 02:03:43 AM


QuoteJust because you didn't do something, or others have what you don't or didn't have, doesn't mean they can't have it

sorry i failed @ cheating

QuoteYup, I'm a cheater.

ye u are


Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: Furesy on October 14, 2009, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 02:03:43 AM

sorry i failed @ cheating

ye u are
I'll take that as a compliment!
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Furesy on October 14, 2009, 07:14:15 AM
I'll take that as a compliment!

well i cant really do anything about it can i
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: TheLox on October 14, 2009, 11:23:52 AM
You can, and you are doing - whining.

is it effective ? XD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 14, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
is it effective ? XD
nope.
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: kidicarus on October 14, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: lucifsg on October 14, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
is it effective ? XD

Depends on what your goals are.... But it did get taken up with Drake so I can't completely argue with the effectiveness of whining....
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: IdarkI on October 14, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 11:47:53 PM

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/466_horse3.swf

ahahhahahahahahahahah i cant stop laughing hhahahahaha xDDD
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: WindPhoenix on October 14, 2009, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: IdarkI on October 14, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
ahahhahahahahahahahah i cant stop laughing hhahahahaha xDDD
sweeet lemonade mmm, sweeeet lemonaaaaaaaade :D
Title: Re: @track , i had a dream last night
Post by: IdarkI on October 15, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
shut up and get on my horse ahahhaaahaha