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Torn and I have read through all your questions/suggestions (thanks) and one point that stood out the most was DN sub. Since the server we provide will be for you to play we will give you the privilege to decide on this. Poll will stand for 10 days.

On the side note, Torn and I are happy to disable the dn sub system because:

- Grouping for grind/raid/pvp will need more strategic planning

- Will once again make all classes worth playing again

- Olympiad for every class and more intense

I'm sure you can think of many more, but as said we will let you decide with the poll's result.

Thanks for your time.

Very kind of you to let us choose about it :)

But could you open the poll pls I cant vote ^^

Quote from: Spelly on March 10, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Very kind of you to let us choose about it :)

But could you open the poll pls I cant vote ^^

;D ;D ;D

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Not that it gonna be more balanced server with non-stack sub-class, but you won't see numerous crying on the forum about some sub-class being OP and so, and then you won't bother much "balancing" it out. It's much more fun on retail like classes.  :) Well, Descent himself (herself?  :D ) pointed some out why is it better. :P

It's nice that you ask players, but you know, there are thousands of servers without Dn subs, they rise very fast, and fall even faster. And after all, DN is like sign of l2 sub servers, personally i think that it shouldn't be broken :)

one server should be different, i voted NO  :P

need to make buffl's last 1 hour and dances should last atleast 20mins or something cause 4mins  just suck lol

Ofc yes. It's DN  :)

Quote from: undertaker22 on March 10, 2010, 01:35:37 PM
need to make buffl's last 1 hour and dances should last atleast 20mins or something cause 4mins  just suck lol

Lol

I vote NO dragon is so popular because it's without wipe and i play here for that reason, i don't like dnsubs. it's funny to see PP pown necro  ;D

GL i made new acc and try some fun here too  :P

I voted for Stack Sub system.
Substack system is an unique Dragon network system developed by Drake..
So server should be Stack Sub, there is not alot good server's with stacksub out here so i think alot of people will come, but  there is milions of retail like servers, like: BFDR,Frintezza,Dex... where players that want to play on retail like server can play.

dragon-network without dragon-network subclass doesn't make any sense...why shell we chose your server and starting by 0 if there are 292380923802398 servers without stacksub system out there? ofc the situation of how DN works atm doesn't invites anybody to join....
so don't remove substack system

Or u could implement  a half-sub system - an option to obtain certain skill from ur retail class to ur main class.
This way you will not have 2 classes stacked together but 1 class with a couple of skills from ur retail



As that guy above said its full of retail-like servers much better than DNET and with better GMS/community
(*kough*as the *** network you-know-who-im-talking-about *kough*) So why would any1 give up everything
and prefer this server instead of others?

i also voted no. this will make things different in dragon, you can also just add on subclasses later on if you have the time to do so. see how it goes with no dn sub for now.

I voted for DN sub, but i think it can be good if at oly, we will can't use our sub. For example if im an EE/SPS i have to choose which char's skills i'd like to use  and if i chose the EE stats (so i can't use SPS skills) i would be hero on EE.

Is it totally bullshit?  ::)

of course i vote: YES ;) 

Quote from: Junkie on March 10, 2010, 02:10:26 PM
I voted for Stack Sub system.
Substack system is an unique Dragon network system developed by Drake..
So server should be Stack Sub, there is not alot good server's with stacksub out here so i think alot of people will come, but  there is milions of retail like servers, like: BFDR,Frintezza,Dex... where players that want to play on retail like server can play.

ofc    +1 for me

Quote from: Junkie on March 10, 2010, 02:10:26 PM
I voted for Stack Sub system.
Substack system is an unique Dragon network system developed by Drake..
So server should be Stack Sub, there is not alot good server's with stacksub out here so i think alot of people will come, but  there is milions of retail like servers, like: BFDR,Frintezza,Dex... where players that want to play on retail like server can play.

Too much brainless zombies pressing the yes button...

Why'd we f*ck up yet another server? Lets make at least one for people who likes /almost/ balance?

sub stack yes !!!!

Mutantes No !!!!

guys tbh Stack Sub System is the thing that make dragon-network servers different from others:)
i vote for stack cause is more interesting

what kind of idiotic poll is this
OFCOURSE YES
we play on DN for DN subs and never wiped servers
there are lots of other servers without subs that are more interesting than this crap then

Dragon -network is unique in the world,this dn system make it so special,other kinds of sub stack or retail server are all over ,but this what you have here is unique and the best ever,why you wanna change a legend?;)

Ofc yes. Its DN, place where normal things don't happen very often. Without sub it will be same like many others servers.

And, Im looking forward to golky pvp :P

Yeaaahhh ! Its Dragon Network :D  8) 8)

ofc YES, Dragon Network's reserved thing is STACKSUB system :P, otherwise as other ppl said there are many retail server ;).
But will be better if, example u are nuker or fighter (who has skills to hit) u can choose only support or tank class or tank from ur race as sub
example: necro/pp, necro/bp, sps/sws, sps/ee,sh/ps,th/pp,aw/se,pw/tk
and if u are tank/support class u can choose only attack classes like ee/sps etc.
but W/O mutants it will be better
and if u can make to fight in oly w/o ur subclass skills xD
btw i know my idea is crap, but pls dont flame me xD i just write my idea
but if u make it with dn sub and w/o my idea don't add mutants xD
(i think i will start play again in that new server :P)
Thx for reading my idea,dont flame.
Also sry for my english.

Good idea ! :)

But imo there shouldn't be mutants (If you want it then play NM, dragon etc). It would be more balanced :)

also make oly in this way :  Like someone said if you are EE/SPS u can use ONLY EE skills. then ppl won't cry about overpowered chars :)

Dragon subclass system is unique so it is no sense to make it retail like.

that's just my opinion :)

imo should be a poll about mutants ,i think mutants ruin the beauty of game

Quote from: Sowell on March 10, 2010, 04:27:37 PM
imo should be a poll about mutants ,i think mutants ruin the beauty of game

mutants sux :P 80 lv max

Quote from: radament1 on March 10, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
Too much brainless zombies pressing the yes button...

Why'd we f*ck up yet another server? Lets make at least one for people who likes /almost/ balance?

Those people can play wherever they want to. There are gazilion retail-like servers. DN is unique for stacking subs, that's why we are here, because we like it. I don't really understand players who cry for retail-like server while they still play on DN, lol.

Quote from: Descent on March 10, 2010, 12:32:39 PM
Torn and I have read through all your questions/suggestions (thanks) and one point that stood out the most was DN sub. Since the server we provide will be for you to play we will give you the privilege to decide on this. Poll will stand for 10 days.

On the side note, Torn and I are happy to disable the dn sub system because:

- Grouping for grind/raid/pvp will need more strategic planning

- Will once again make all classes worth playing again

- Olympiad for every class and more intense

I'm sure you can think of many more, but as said we will let you decide with the poll's result.

Thanks for your time.

Sorry, but IMO you are wrong. If you want every class usefull, then you should also disable posibilities for multiboxes and even dualboxes.
I think dn subs give better chance to every class than retail system, bcs. for example on retail-like you make PP, ur char is useless, because later in game clans and pvp parties will use only wc or ol to buff them. And on DN-stacksub you can make, lets say Ne/Pp, so now you are still pp but u aren't useless in party.

And I'm also not sure about oly, for ex. playing as support on oly is not fun, while with subs supports like ee/es or half supports like sps/ee can still do something.

Quote from: Kerth on March 10, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
Sorry, but IMO you are wrong. If you want every class usefull, then you should also disable posibilities for multiboxes and even dualboxes.
I think dn subs give better chance to every class than retail system, bcs. for example on retail-like you make PP, ur char is useless, because later in game clans and pvp parties will use only wc or ol to buff them. And on DN-stacksub you can make, lets say Ne/Pp, so now you are still pp but u aren't useless in party.

And I'm also not sure about oly, for ex. playing as support on oly is not fun, while with subs supports like ee/es or half supports like sps/ee can still do something.

you'r wrong in a certain part.
prophet at olympiads in every retail like owns.

I do not know what is better. but the DN servers dies :(

Quote from: radament1 on March 10, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
Too much brainless zombies pressing the yes button...

Why'd we f*ck up yet another server? Lets make at least one for people who likes /almost/ balance?

If wanna play on no stack sub write on google"server lineage 2" and choose a server and no QQ

Quote from: fabioy on March 10, 2010, 05:22:53 PM
If wanna play on no stack sub write on google"server lineage 2" and choose a server and no QQ

+1 evry1 who come and check DN  server know this will be a sub stuck server ,i dunno gm's even botehr with this poll,evry day non sub server are open,but smth like this once in life time,no substack server will bring maximum 200 ppls but this sub stack i am sure ATLEAST 1,5k-2k players in first day of server,as i said before DN is legend in sub stack server best ever ,why to ruin this fame?

Quote from: dadija on March 10, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
I do not know what is better. but the DN servers dies :(

here is the blessed ress  ;)

For sure there should be DN sub,but,with no X-man,Mutants,or however u wanna call'em.

There is 4 servers ranging from 5x to 200x WITH dn-sub.

Imo let's try 1 without. Since i like playing tanks I really like the idea of a tank being a tank, and not a DD with deflect arrow, so I would definately start a char there for fun.

The downside of not having subclasses is that you are gonna need alot more players on the server in order for ppl to get partys going. BUT this way it's not irreversable . If it turns out that the players want subclass it's a fairly easy job to implement.

PS. If you do decide to go for a retail like server, please remember to take away the raid boost :P (Would like to see how many non-subbed ppl in A / S grade it takes to kill the Track boosted Naga ^^)

Quote from: Ashlynn on March 10, 2010, 04:50:59 PM
I don't really understand players who cry for retail-like server while they still play on DN, lol.

What you got against me, ha?  >:(

Quote from: darkcore on March 10, 2010, 05:40:05 PM
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Good one.  :D

And I get sick when I read things like: "sub-class is good for OLY or if you are mage, you make tenk, so you are not hit hard". WHEN for GOD'S SAKE you SAW somebody who did that?! All you can see that ppl are picking things so they can HIT better, just like sps/ee, necro/pp and all other things. I...

yes, but remove x man

Quote from: kidicarus on March 10, 2010, 06:38:11 PM
There is 4 servers ranging from 5x to 200x WITH dn-sub.

Imo let's try 1 without. Since i like playing tanks I really like the idea of a tank being a tank, and not a DD with deflect arrow, so I would definately start a char there for fun.

The downside of not having subclasses is that you are gonna need alot more players on the server in order for ppl to get partys going. BUT this way it's not irreversable . If it turns out that the players want subclass it's a fairly easy job to implement.

PS. If you do decide to go for a retail like server, please remember to take away the raid boost :P (Would like to see how many non-subbed ppl in A / S grade it takes to kill the Track boosted Naga ^^)

u think we can compete to other non sub servers like arion? (that have over 5-6k players)

And this new server will surely kill infinity and nightmare.

If U want to play w/o Substack just go on dex-community rofl = P . I've voted for yes. About X-man? Hum , it would be nice to see again support/sub etc.etc. no just piece of bots on mass -,  -

Quote from: TheLox on March 10, 2010, 06:45:19 PM
What you got against me, ha?  >:(

Nuuu, you know I love you :D

Quote from: BanThemAll on March 10, 2010, 07:09:06 PM
u think we can compete to other non sub servers like arion? (that have over 5-6k players)

And this new server will surely kill infinity and nightmare.

Granted I haven't been strolling around the new server market for a while, but in my years of L2 i've tested quite a few servers that are supposed to be great. And I still like the DN servers the most, and I like the community.

And mb it would be an alternative for thoose who move away from DN to go to a server thats new and w/o subclasses.

Quote from: Descent on March 10, 2010, 12:32:39 PM
Torn and I have read through all your questions/suggestions (thanks) and one point that stood out the most was DN sub. Since the server we provide will be for you to play we will give you the privilege to decide on this. Poll will stand for 10 days.

On the side note, Torn and I are happy to disable the dn sub system because:

- Grouping for grind/raid/pvp will need more strategic planning

- Will once again make all classes worth playing again

- Olympiad for every class and more intense

I'm sure you can think of many more, but as said we will let you decide with the poll's result.

Thanks for your time.

most people'll vote but wont play there, so useless poll imho. so just make a no Dnet sub server ;)
for all the good reasons you told above.
+1 for the new server.

in case you keep DN sub system make a bit more balanced.

DON'T allow mutants
Make it so you can only join Oly with your Retail subclass (meaning no more OP combos in Oly)

p.s. +1 for no custom weapons/armors

Quote from: wildpussy on March 10, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
what kind of idiotic poll is this
OFCOURSE YES
we play on DN for DN subs and never wiped servers
there are lots of other servers without subs that are more interesting than this crap then

+1 dnet - mean best stacksub server....

sixy ork powa

Quote from: ehlena on March 10, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
most people'll vote but wont play there, so useless poll imho. so just make a no Dnet sub server ;)
for all the good reasons you told above.
+1 for the new server.

+1 for you  :P

Quote from: darkcore on March 11, 2010, 12:24:17 AM
golky horn allow you to learn 5 skill of ANY class

that can be very weird

XD

really ?

For sure 90% of ppl that say it should be dn sub will not play here for more than 1 month. Why? Answer is easy: why they should start from 0 to play on same server that they play only with diffrent rates.

About those 8978068976589076 retail like servers that almost everyone says. Show me 10 servers that stand up more than 2 years and have online 2k+ on sieges.

Some guy says that if that server will be retail like it will bring 200ppl and if that will be dn subs it will bring 2k ppl. Everyone knows it is one big bullshit. On first days here will be 1,5k-2kppl and it doesnt metter if that will be retail like or dn sub like cause everyone from other dn servers will join it and check how it look. If you want to get 1k+ more ppl after 1-2months You guys have to think about something more than only remove dnet sets.

We have 4 servers with dnsub system so why we need to get one more? With reatil like you will have better chance to balance server, to make some support chars to playable again, we can try with subclass skills like on retail. With dn subs it will be just another server that will have big boom in first 1-2months and then it will slowly die like all others dn servers.

Quote from: Curtis on March 11, 2010, 06:05:36 AM
For sure 90% of ppl that say it should be dn sub will not play here for more than 1 month. Why? Answer is easy: why they should start from 0 to play on same server that they play only with diffrent rates.

About those 8978068976589076 retail like servers that almost everyone says. Show me 10 servers that stand up more than 2 years and have online 2k+ on sieges.

Some guy says that if that server will be retail like it will bring 200ppl and if that will be dn subs it will bring 2k ppl. Everyone knows it is one big bullshit. On first days here will be 1,5k-2kppl and it doesnt metter if that will be retail like or dn sub like cause everyone from other dn servers will join it and check how it look. If you want to get 1k+ more ppl after 1-2months You guys have to think about something more than only remove dnet sets.

We have 4 servers with dnsub system so why we need to get one more? With reatil like you will have better chance to balance server, to make some support chars to playable again, we can try with subclass skills like on retail. With dn subs it will be just another server that will have big boom in first 1-2months and then it will slowly die like all others dn servers.

Easy:
DN = stacking subclasses.
Retail like = http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lineage+2+server

DN stack sub ftw

Quote from: Sokrates on March 11, 2010, 09:57:32 AM
DN stack sub ftw

+1

Quote from: Bav3 on March 10, 2010, 09:41:43 PM
i vote NO coz here u have 5 other server with sub stuck, if u wanna sub stuck go play on it
would be good if DN would have 1 server without substuck

the problem is that the current substack servers of DN....SUCK  :D

There would be nothing charming on Valkyria without sub-stack.

The poll that should have been instead is Mutants or not.

if any1 want play w/o dn sub go to dragon, is dn so ofc dn sub!

also not allowed dualboxes would be great ! :)

much people would choose suport sub, instead of dualboxing it.

imo it will bring more fun but i will be flamed anyway :)

Quote from: Curtis on March 11, 2010, 06:05:36 AM
For sure 90% of ppl that say it should be dn sub will not play here for more than 1 month. Why? Answer is easy: why they should start from 0 to play on same server that they play only with diffrent rates.

They will play here because :
-It's new server with new FUN >_> Some of them are bored cuz of still pwnin'
-It's new source of money for all players
-New GMs so prolly less corruption.

Next time when U want to post sth , use brain.
Ty bb

Quote from: drizz on March 11, 2010, 04:01:32 PM
I vote for non stucking subs... DN has 4 servers with stucking sub system, this1 could be different... but I think both choise is good...
the reason why I vote for no, is bcz I played 4-5 years on DN, and after I would start again,I would want something new,different...

Always U can don't make sub ^,^

Quote from: Torek [IF] on March 11, 2010, 04:34:50 PM
i read: we have 4x server with DN sub so why another?

i would let u think about the fact that this server "suppose" to be much more balanced of DN, no custom weaps, no freaked up economy and no donations.
so we will not have another boring DN server, we will have a server like DN but cleaner and easier to balance...... we have the change to go back in good old times, restart from 0 everyone and play in a good server that has the unique feature to be like DN (if descent and torn will care enough about server).


i'm talkin to those ppl that had the luck to play in c2/c3, now we have the possibility to go back in time and play everyone from 0 in our beloved DN.
this probably will never happen anymore, wanna play in a server like retail....go somewhere else.
but now we can all go back and have much fun like 4 years ago

c4 was itself much more balanced than this crappy hb in fact...
another things that totally pissed me off from introducing these new stuffs ( custom weap/atri )was that it made hero weapons totally useless...wich imho should be a great part of the game
think about it.

Quote from: Torek [IF] on March 11, 2010, 05:49:28 PM
the thing that ruined this game most are the clans of 200+ ppl and ally of 3 clans.

make the clan maximum of 40 ppl + accademy and ally of 12 clans like in c4 and this game will be great another time

Just give us c3/c4 BACK !@#!@#!  ;d

c4 or interlude - BACK pls

i voted no , and there is one thing i dont get  , all ppl repeat the same shit

there is 293586239856235 retail servers

Guess what

there is 299235923562395698 2x/3x/4x subbed servers as well . its not rly an argument , most of ppl who voted yes , they just want the easy way , to make the very same combos over and over and over again.

try a change in new server , if u like dn sub that much , so keep playing in ur server , why do u need to play in different dn server , thats just retarded , same game , same unbalanced shit , same nerfs , same whinning but different rates .. HORRAAAAAAAAAAAY !!

retail brings fun , everyoen has a job , more active ppl , no wc / sws waiting behind the tree in varka or all that shit

oly problem will be over , u can compete with ur own class if the other clasess r too hard for u , it will increase ur game experience coz u focus on one char and do ur job

i like retail tbh and i would be happy to play it here on dn

think about it ppl before spamming

Quote from: Diabolical on March 11, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
i voted no , and there is one thing i dont get  , all ppl repeat the same shit

there is 293586239856235 retail servers

Guess what

there is 299235923562395698 2x/3x/4x subbed servers as well . its not rly an argument , most of ppl who voted yes , they just want the easy way , to make the very same combos over and over and over again.

try a change in new server , if u like dn sub that much , so keep playing in ur server , why do u need to play in different dn server , thats just retarded , same game , same unbalanced shit , same nerfs , same whinning but different rates .. HORRAAAAAAAAAAAY !!

retail brings fun , everyoen has a job , more active ppl , no wc / sws waiting behind the tree in varka or all that shit

oly problem will be over , u can compete with ur own class if the other clasess r too hard for u , it will increase ur game experience coz u focus on one char and do ur job

i like retail tbh and i would be happy to play it here on dn

think about it ppl before spamming

Right. Im not against stack sub system, but a masspvp with retail calsses is much better than the owerpowered mutant pwning.
If i'll play here, it will cause of some of my old friends will too, so its not depend on if it will be stack sub or retail, but here is a big +1 for retail from me.

Quote from: Toszi on March 11, 2010, 11:33:23 PM
Right. Im not against stack sub system, but a masspvp with retail calsses is much better than the owerpowered mutant pwning.
If i'll play here, it will cuz of some of my old friends will too, so i dont care if it will be stack sub or retail, but here is a big +1 for retail from me.

change server if no wanna sub stack....

Quotechange server if no wanna sub stack....

QuoteIf i'll play here, it will cause of some of my old friends will too, so its not depend on if it will be stack sub or retail

What is not understandable on it?

Quote from: Diabolical on March 11, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
i voted no , and there is one thing i dont get  , all ppl repeat the same shit

there is 293586239856235 retail servers

Guess what

there is 299235923562395698 2x/3x/4x subbed servers as well . its not rly an argument , most of ppl who voted yes , they just want the easy way , to make the very same combos over and over and over again.

try a change in new server , if u like dn sub that much , so keep playing in ur server , why do u need to play in different dn server , thats just retarded , same game , same unbalanced shit , same nerfs , same whinning but different rates .. HORRAAAAAAAAAAAY !!

retail brings fun , everyoen has a job , more active ppl , no wc / sws waiting behind the tree in varka or all that shit

oly problem will be over , u can compete with ur own class if the other clasess r too hard for u , it will increase ur game experience coz u focus on one char and do ur job

i like retail tbh and i would be happy to play it here on dn

think about it ppl before spamming

oh rly ? know any 1+1 server? pm me the link so lol...and don't tell me that there are no better servers then DN AT THE MOMENT....I'v changed hundred servers before saying that DN sux hard compared to others...if you wanna take him off the only good thing that still makes it unique well...enjoy the server

Quote from: Dhart on March 12, 2010, 12:06:04 AM
oh rly ? know any 1+1 server? pm me the link so lol...and don't tell me that there are no better servers then DN AT THE MOMENT....I'v changed hundred servers before saying that DN sux hard compared to others...if you wanna take him off the only good thing that still makes it unique well...enjoy the server

i can't really understand what u r trying to say here and how its related to what i say , i didnt say DN sucks or there r better servers , i said it will be fun to try DN in a new way , without the constant whining about things we all already know and we know it aint stop , retail is less whining its not perfect plus its different.

and how do i take the unique thing of server ? how many servers in DN right now ? 4 servers with DN sub , and u r telling me im taking its unique thing when one server wont have it .. its 4 : 1

plus how its unique for u anymore ? u played here for long enough , what will be new to u ? it will be different rates , thats it , for new ppl who will join DN thats unique for them but not for u

now if we get retail = new ppl +old bored ppl players

THINK :)

Quote from: Diabolical on March 11, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
i voted no , and there is one thing i dont get  , all ppl repeat the same shit

there is 293586239856235 retail servers

Guess what

there is 299235923562395698 2x/3x/4x subbed servers as well . its not rly an argument , most of ppl who voted yes , they just want the easy way , to make the very same combos over and over and over again.

try a change in new server , if u like dn sub that much , so keep playing in ur server , why do u need to play in different dn server , thats just retarded , same game , same unbalanced shit , same nerfs , same whinning but different rates .. HORRAAAAAAAAAAAY !!

retail brings fun , everyoen has a job , more active ppl , no wc / sws waiting behind the tree in varka or all that shit

oly problem will be over , u can compete with ur own class if the other clasess r too hard for u , it will increase ur game experience coz u focus on one char and do ur job

i like retail tbh and i would be happy to play it here on dn

think about it ppl before spamming

Right. +1 for smartass bro.

Sad truth is GAME is old , 7 years 5 chronicles , Interlude, Kamael,HB,Gracia 1,2 Final ,Epilogue - result still the same no matter iff they add 2 or 20 new loc and 50 new lvl's till there ain't adequate amount of items and armory you can chouse from.So there is no matter if you do a new server.Nothing will change : simple not many ppl like high rate server's , not many ppl like low rate servers, some want , others don't want subs anyway customization of DN is unique for its subs and tattoes ,potions, but that won't change situation that ppl like to admit it or not are mostly bored from the game.Only thing you may acomplish is to gather most ppl from Network on 1 server for some amount of time-sensless,the only posible new comers : ppl who just learned for the game ,humm 112342536 retail like servers better than this in many ways,how a newbie in this game would know about DN stacking system and what the hell would that mean to him(why open new server when old ones require so much damn fixing).Question here is if this is the last boat triing to save network from falling apart.Who will start plaing L2 from beginning damn i'm bored from all the same equipment thru all the same locations thru lvl's.Imo old times fun,are upsurdish dreamon sinse augmentations so i really can't understand what is the point in all this, without huge marketing program witch obviously you don't have.
Why should i start plaiing again L2 sinse even in Gracia Epilogue damn NC's didn't add more equipment. (Don't start sensless argues iff you play since C4, I play a little bit longer this game i changed few servers and is quite funny for all this time no changes at all)
Did network change owners  :o ???

I won't vote , but the only unique thing you can do guis is : Make DN subs for retails also and try make it balanced that would be funny!(i think they should have been done allready iff , i follow the legend about that right-btw was the only thing that keept me on network for last year  and a half : expecting this option to add more subs on my retails).But i gues is quite hard to create something that ,wasn't ment exactly to be an option(i point at DN sub system behavior in latest L2 versions it showed hum how to expres my self :that is quite hard to recalculate all chars dmg/def formulas to adequate values,not to mention other bugs that showed )?
Or i'm wrong , as usual?

SRY for bad english

Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 11, 2010, 03:25:25 PM
They will play here because :
-It's new server with new FUN >_> Some of them are bored cuz of still pwnin'
-It's new source of money for all players
-New GMs so prolly less corruption.

Next time when U want to post sth , use brain.
Ty bb

The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true :(

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

Making it without DN subs will merely ruin the whole unique idea Dragon Network has (and its own trademark) You'll just have a normal retail server (with DN custom pots? lol) only thing is, it will never beat the other retail like servers like Dexternet, you really think players from Dexternet will come here instead of stay at their servers? Or people who can choose between Dexternet servers and DN servers would choose DN? lol :p
The only reason they would choose DN is based on the fact that it is unique because of the DN sub, it's what made Dragon Network so big in the first place.

I would personally just remove mutants though.

Stacking class system is not anything unique. Only the difference is that drake added some custom limitations (in another word, nerfs).

So why not adding an extra limitation, no DN sub (and de-nerfing wohoooo)

I'm a fan of DN subclass system anyway. Congrats to Valkyria staff and community !

Quote from: Curtis on March 12, 2010, 06:18:27 AM
The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true :(

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

True +1

and btw if dn sub system is so great tell me smartasses why top clans of dragon (like Final Fate) gone to W.rath x9 ? they have also stacking subcalsses ?

anyway retail like server = fun ,dn like server = same shit.

Quote from: -MichU- on March 12, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
True +1

and btw if dn sub system is so great tell me smartasses why top clans of dragon (like Final Fate) gone to W.rath x9 ? they have also stacking subcalsses ?

anyway retail like server = fun ,dn like server = same shit.

Quote from: Furesy on March 12, 2010, 06:57:33 AM
Making it without DN subs will merely ruin the whole unique idea Dragon Network has (and its own trademark) You'll just have a normal retail server (with DN custom pots? lol) only thing is, it will never beat the other retail like servers like Dexternet, you really think players from Dexternet will come here instead of stay at their servers? Or people who can choose between Dexternet servers and DN servers would choose DN? lol :p
The only reason they would choose DN is based on the fact that it is unique because of the DN sub, it's what made Dragon Network so big in the first place.

I would personally just remove mutants though.

Furesy is right here, why would people choose DN instead of some other, better retail-like servers?  It doesn't really make sense.

Quote from: Curtis on March 12, 2010, 06:18:27 AM
The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true :(

Yea! 61% dont use brain, only you and rest use it.




I think, 90% classes should be removed, only dwarf should left. It will be dwarf server, and for sure many ppl will come. How I know? Did I make poll or what? NO, but I know better. I dont care what poll shows, 61% of ppl are retarded and they dont know what is good for them. Ppl left DN servers cause other classes was OP to dwarfs. Just left them.
If it will be all classes server, ppl will leave after 1 month!! How I know? what a question.... pff, its obvious!!
On Inf/dragon/nm many subs are overpowered. What subs exaclty?  Hmm, let me think... : sps/ee ol/ee/ ol/es ol/necro sps/ee sps/es necro/ee sorc/ee th/wk th/sws th/pal tyr/pal tyr/wc tyr/de se/bd (after prophecies update) se/sh sh/bd pw/sws he/ol he/wk he/wl pr/wl glad/pal glad/pp glad/th (As+16 ftw :P) tyr/ol bp/wk ee/es (oly) hmm... what I miss? Oh, clean sps killed me too!!! Delete them!! I want pwn with dworff.

When infy/dragon/nm were opened, many ppl played there,and they still play having fun.  But now it will be different, ppl will leave after 5 mins, they will come back to shitty infy/dragon/nm. How I know that? hmm I had a dream!! yea it was dream, and it will happen for sure!!
-Why they will come back to shitty server?
-Cause they are idiots!!
-So why YOU play on shitty server? Or why you spaming on shitty forum of shitty server?
-.... hmm dunno, BUT im not idiot like rest!!!


sry for poor english :P

Quote from: Finisterre on March 12, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
Stacking class system is not anything unique. Only the difference is that drake added some custom limitations (in another word, nerfs).

So why not adding an extra limitation, no DN sub (and de-nerfing wohoooo)

I'm a fan of DN subclass system anyway. Congrats to Valkyria staff and community !

Still , DN it's unique for IT'S OWN SYSTEM.....removing it would be retardfull...( does this word exist ? )

Quote from: Curtis on March 12, 2010, 06:18:27 AM
The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true :(

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

ok i admit you have some point about all this , but iff i have to play L2 for 8th year i would chouse DN if it gets adequate char formulas.Reason is simple : i got tired of same shit , 7 years  ROFL .DN - mana pots are the bigest extra you have you just don't realize it becouse you don't have to hunt 10 minutes mobs and after that you don't sit for other 10 minutes to w8 mana to regen  :o. Dunno about how many servers have mana pot options but for Dex i'm shure they don't have it, i played there whyle FBI had DN closed.

Quote from: LagoonPL on March 12, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
Furesy is right here, why would people choose DN instead of some other, better retail-like servers?  It doesn't really make sense.

Cause not everyone have time to play on x4 rates.

Quote from: Kotlet on March 12, 2010, 12:16:34 PM
Yea! 61% dont use brain, only you and rest use it....

Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only dn sub servers what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on dex forum and you will see diffrent answers. Its something like making poll with only black ppl and ask them 'what color of human skin is better: white or black?". Like I told before - if you want fresh blood you need to make normal server without subs.

Now think about other side. If on forum that is flooded by dn subs lovers there are almost 40% ppl that dont want the sub system something is wrong here.

Quote from: Curtis on March 12, 2010, 02:05:30 PM
Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only dn sub servers what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on dex forum and you will see diffrent answers. Its something like making poll with only black ppl and ask them 'what color of human skin is better: white or black?".

Dude you really dont get 1 little problem. If you make poll on forum where are only retail sub servers (like your example : DEX) what answer you expected? Try to make that poll for example on DN forum and you "will" see  diffrent answers. Its something like making poll only black ppl and ask them "what color of human skin is better*: "white or black?".

* Its veeery bad example, beacuse you cant choose your skin color (I know, Michael Jackson could :P) I dont know like you, but I havent seen "choose your race menu" during birth. And I didn`t know that, one color skin is better than other...

Poll is on DN forum, beacuse it will be DN server, it`s simple. If someone outside DN want play here,  he/she can register and vote, where`s problem?

Guys no offense to any1 but coomon start think before you write smth,evry1 come and check this bcz all know gonna be sub stack,2-3k ppls will chose this server bcz all know DN have best substack server with no wipe and no shits like other server,all who visited this want substack.Retail servers are all over i just know a server l2off hellbound 30x that opened 2 weeks ago was very stable,no lag no buggs was perfect,in 1 week record online was 90 ppl,now be serious if this server gonna be retail you think substack players  gonna play?mayeb yea some will play cuz want a fresh start but server will die like all retail servers far now but if this will be sub stack all who vote retail gonna play,yes bcz they want this server ,here do you se any DN server dead?no,why?bcz all know how stable DN servers are ,if you wanna find a good sub stack server beside DN you cant bcz all sux,this server gonna be for sure sub stack cuz gm's know what to do,anyway this poll was in case 80% from ppls voted no for substack maybe than was retail,i suggest to gm's to chek all new retail servers and see if any of them have more than 300 ppls.btw i dont think Gm's even read what we write...i dunno why we even botehr to write smth about stack or retail,anyway we wont convince no1 to change hes decision,peace

Remove mutants only  :)

and make oly like i said before :D

Quote from: Curtis on March 12, 2010, 06:18:27 AM
The only one that dont use brain is you. Sry but its sad true :(

Its not new server - its same shit with diffrent rates, same op chars, op mutants, same bugs, same not working skills and enchants.

You wanna less corruption so go to NM, but hey something is wrong with it since everyone leave from it. Guess what, ppl leave it cause its BORING and even fair GM dont have power to take them back. Its boring to be owned in 2s from some op subs.

New source of money? Dude I want to see some guys that in other servers have dnet sets, full epic, oe s grade weapon and they come here and make dwarf and spoil recs and mats for make b grade set o_O

And one more thing: DN even in best times dont even get close with online to best retail like servers, so dont tell me bullshit thst ppl love that unique sub system cause ppl prefer to play on normal servers.

To Gm's: If You want to get some fresh blood make it without subs, if You want to get ppl from other dn servers (propably 50% or even more will back to they main servers after 1-2 months) make it with sub.

If that will be with sub i will not even log cause I can see same shits on other dn servers. If that will be without subs i will try it for 100%.

All from me.

Copycat, stop talkin sh1t . U said that won't be new server , take some info . I see some others Mods than Track and rest .
I / We dont care that U won't even log in. Who the f2ck U are, that we should do . Where did I say that all the ppl on the world love substack ? Nowhere, so keep learnin' in school cuz U can't read properly.

We are reading each and everyone's point of view about this whole discussion don't worry otherwise I wouldn't have even bothered making a poll. From it we are going to make a solution to satisfy the majority of the people,  more importantly this solution is to aim keeping the server enjoyable for everyone, being here for one day or have already reached end game and in my opinion the sub class will play a big part.

So we do appreciate everyone's input.

Quote from: Grosse on March 12, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
Remove mutants only  :)

and make oly like i said before :D

i dunno what you said about oly but with mutants you are right,i am sure on all clans forums all discuse what mutants to make cuz all know normal sub is usless and thast why all think about mutants,this server will not be so serious with mutants just pure sub stack from same race,like this ervy1 will wanna join i am sure of this and for mutants GM's should make a poll and see what ppl vote

Quotei suggest to gm's to chek all new retail servers and see if any of them have more than 300 ppls.

Do you think? Then check rpg-club 5x, and the new dex 4x. They have 4-5k+ online all the time. I think its more than 300.

As i said, if i'll play here, its not depends on the sub system, but i hate when morons talking about things, when they dont know nothing about it. ::)

Quote from: Toszi on March 12, 2010, 03:42:09 PM
Do you think? Then check rpg-club 5x, and the new dex 4x. They have 4-5k+ online all the time. I think its more than 300.

As i said, if i'll play here, its not depends on the sub system, but i hate when morons talking about things, when they dont know nothing about it. ::)

i am saying about retail around this rate  ,i know about rpg and dex...w/e

ps:when you reply some1 think about what they mean in case you are not one of those guys who like to show off by posting smth an yes maybe is my fault cuz i wasent was more explicit

well hi to everyone again,after a year i think.sowell just told me about this server so i decided to vote and make a post here too.i remember i started playing l2 with sub stack since servers mercury and judgement and i loved the sub system,for me was the best thing ever.after the fbi thing i remember nigthmare was up again and all my friends told me to play here.i played here almost 2 years but i left because of adena bug and blessed enchant event.after,i played many new servers wi/o sub but nothing was like before.all down after some weeks/months or because too many bugs.or low ppl.for me drake was and will be the best and all my good memories will remain here.atm i dont play l2 anymore cuz i dont know a good server or if i know,i dont want to waste my time knowing it will be down soon.i was waiting  too long a fresh start here so,maybe i`ll try and spend my time again with you.hope u`ll make it with sub stack but without mutants.have fun

yeah... I'd say keep DN sub... as everyone keeps repeating DNet is known from stack subs. you want retail like, you can find dozens of other servers :)
I would disable mutants tho...

cheers

And all you (we) wrote nobody gonna read but just pick result at the end.

Quote from: darkcore on March 12, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
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what an attention whore u are..  ::)

stack sub please ;) and i bet a lot of ppl that quited long ago DN will be back for the fresh start <- one is me

Quote from: 69 on March 12, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
stack sub please ;) and i bet a lot of ppl that quited long ago DN will be back for the fresh start <- one is me

Or me, and a lot of ppl from the Goldragon... i hope somebody still remember us

Quote from: roberts on March 12, 2010, 07:39:01 PM
Or me, and a lot of ppl from the Goldragon... i hope somebody still remember us

ofc I do !

Quote from: roberts on March 12, 2010, 07:39:01 PM
Or me, and a lot of ppl from the Goldragon... i hope somebody still remember us

yes we were ally for some time in infi ;)

Quote from: stanko on March 12, 2010, 06:59:30 PM
what an attention whore u are..  ::)

it worked on u , since u gave him attention and replied :)

Quote from: Ungolianth on March 13, 2010, 05:15:25 AM
dont wanna be pesismist...but ppl how long u will take till it turn to corruption same like on our servers...no donation for op weapons in no way,,,ye we got also this on nightmare and still i see +15 icarus bought in euros and other shits that will freak up server like ours...i am glad some1 wanna make somethink new but who will guarantee it wont turn in ruin like nightmare

Nm is corrupted? xD

and anyway retail like HB srv is a joke ;P when there are GF with offi files (rpg) and srvrs on epilogue that are not offi files but still with 2-3k ppl population.. and there is none good stack srv except the ones in that network.. and guess more ppl would come to stack srv cuz its hard to find good one than to an retail one

I vote NO. This is new server and it shouldn't be just copy of others. If there will be no subs many ppl will move from dragon, or nm here just to try another style of gaminig.

Quote from: Ulti on March 13, 2010, 09:41:52 AM
I vote NO. This is new server and it shouldn't be just copy of others. If there will be no subs many ppl will move from dragon, or nm here just to try another style of gaminig.

in fact these so mentioned features will different it from other servers....at least read before posting.

Quote from: Ulti on March 13, 2010, 09:41:52 AM
I vote NO. This is new server and it shouldn't be just copy of others.

So then the whole point of making it retail subclass system doesn't go either does it? I wanna bet there are more retail like servers around then servers with DN sub, so in the end it would be a copy anyway, even from the original.

QuoteIf there will be no subs many ppl will move from dragon, or nm here just to try another style of gaminig.

If that's so, what's good about that? This server is based on new players isn't it? Getting only players from NM / Dragon to the new server doesn't help a thing, will only result in killing 2 servers and making one new.

Quote from: Ulti on March 13, 2010, 09:41:52 AM
I vote NO. This is new server and it shouldn't be just copy of others. If there will be no subs many ppl will move from dragon, or nm here just to try another style of gaminig.

You're wrong, if it'll be non-stack nobody will move here...
Let's see who will come

When non-stack
-Few people who want retail like server from DN
-Few ppl not from DN

When stack
-Many actual players of 5/15/30/200 x
-Many old players of 5/15/30 x who left because of clan / scam / fail / being bored
-Many old players of first and second 10x, who had no other choice than left,
-Many ppl who are looking for good stack-sub server, with nice gameplay and  huge population since few years, cuz they know it's pointless to start game now for ex. on 15x, where 50% people are those who donated for top stuff, 40% are old players who play since veeeery long and have top stuff, 9% are asslickers / admin's or gm's friends / scammers  and others who also have top stuff
-Propably some olf clans of this Network
-New clans
-New random players looking for new server with huge pop


you can count your self,  non-stack means ~800 players?  Stack means ~over 3 k for sure.

Don't say that it's copy of other servers - no, it's refresh for them. If you want to play good non-stack server, go and find it, nobody pushs you to stay at DN, which always was and will be stack-network. There are so many of stack servers with Gracia Final or Epilogue, with huge populations, that really, who wants to play at Hb (not even full, still) retail-like, with low rates and low population?

Quote from: Kerth on March 13, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
You're wrong, if it'll be non-stack nobody will move here...
Let's see who will come

When non-stack
-Few people who want retail like server from DN
-Few ppl not from DN

When stack
-Many actual players of 5/15/30/200 x
-Many old players of 5/15/30 x who left because of clan / scam / fail / being bored
-Many old players of first and second 10x, who had no other choice than left,
-Many ppl who are looking for good stack-sub server, with nice gameplay and  huge population since few years, cuz they know it's pointless to start game now for ex. on 15x, where 50% people are those who donated for top stuff, 40% are old players who play since veeeery long and have top stuff, 9% are asslickers / admin's or gm's friends / scammers  and others who also have top stuff
-Propably some olf clans of this Network
-New clans
-New random players looking for new server with huge pop


you can count your self,  non-stack means ~800 players?  Stack means ~over 3 k for sure.

Don't say that it's copy of other servers - no, it's refresh for them. If you want to play good non-stack server, go and find it, nobody pushs you to stay at DN, which always was and will be stack-network. There are so many of stack servers with Gracia Final or Epilogue, with huge populations, that really, who wants to play at Hb (not even full, still) retail-like, with low rates and low population?

+1
you summarized what we are talking about on the last 10 pages....

Quote from: Kerth on March 13, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
You're wrong, if it'll be non-stack nobody will move here...
Let's see who will come

When non-stack
-Few people who want retail like server from DN
-Few ppl not from DN

When stack
-Many actual players of 5/15/30/200 x
-Many old players of 5/15/30 x who left because of clan / scam / fail / being bored
-Many old players of first and second 10x, who had no other choice than left,
-Many ppl who are looking for good stack-sub server, with nice gameplay and  huge population since few years, cuz they know it's pointless to start game now for ex. on 15x, where 50% people are those who donated for top stuff, 40% are old players who play since veeeery long and have top stuff, 9% are asslickers / admin's or gm's friends / scammers  and others who also have top stuff
-Propably some olf clans of this Network
-New clans
-New random players looking for new server with huge pop


you can count your self,  non-stack means ~800 players?  Stack means ~over 3 k for sure.

Don't say that it's copy of other servers - no, it's refresh for them. If you want to play good non-stack server, go and find it, nobody pushs you to stay at DN, which always was and will be stack-network. There are so many of stack servers with Gracia Final or Epilogue, with huge populations, that really, who wants to play at Hb (not even full, still) retail-like, with low rates and low population?

I wouldn't be so sure about 3k players. A lot of players will try it, that's for sure, but lot of them will leave soon to their beloved servers. But who knows, maybe it will be excellent server and they will stay.

ROFL why bother asking so much noobs, just wipe network and refix it as it should be normal is quite risky but hey you might win more  ;D

Quote from: Torek [IF] on March 13, 2010, 11:48:22 AM
i'll join, pk ashlynn and log out forever  :D
j/k i hope to get a good time there even if i have few time to waste in game
but only if the server will be sub DN

you mean "i'll join, GOT pk'd by Ashlynn and log out forever" right? :D

Quote from: Bav3 on March 13, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
if u wanna sub stack stay on your server and stfu u have it there ( in my opinion sub stuck servers are for noobs)
make this server without sub stuck will be more interesting to play all classes ;)

so why you played here/and now you even bother replying?...smart posts...really....

Quote from: Diabolical on March 12, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
it worked on u , since u gave him attention and replied :)

well if he's happy now it's ok for me xd

Quote from: Bav3 on March 13, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
if u wanna sub stack stay on your server and stfu u have it there ( in my opinion sub stuck servers are for noobs)
make this server without sub stuck will be more interesting to play all classes ;)

lol blood :D if you want real game, real enemy, real l2 nothing easier :
http://www.xtremetop100.com/lineage2
Here you are.

Quote from: Bav3 on March 13, 2010, 02:42:20 PM
we will play on new server and u will get raped hard ;)

And then you woke up.

I thing is good idea for new server w/o stack sub system

server will be more balanced (siege, olympiad etc), original

Well,i remember the old times here,omg,how cool it was.But...later,allmost all my friends and most of good ppl left this network(you all know the reasons why).A fresh start will be a comeback for all the real players who made dragon network what it is in these days.A fresh start means a new challenge for all the ppl who love stack subs,tell me who didnt heard of dragon network?After i left this network i`ve fked my time to start many new stack servers but allmost all went down or all ppl left after few weeks.cuz of bugs and more.If you make a retail one then sorry dude but we all played too many retails until now so why we  should start here?nothing new.just my opinion.

Quote from: Wizjoner on March 13, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
I thing is good idea for new server w/o stack sub system

server will be more balanced (siege, olympiad etc), original

go and find on google ther are plenty of such servers and some of them opened few days ago l2off HB,i can tell you on pm best cuz i am not alowed to advertise otehr servers, i know best fresh server opened ,have almost 200 players online :OOOO and when you get bored of that you can come here on sub stack were are gonna be like 2k+ ;)

Quote from: Wizjoner on March 13, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
I thing is good idea for new server w/o stack sub system

server will be more balanced (siege, olympiad etc), original

What the hell will be original on another retail-like server? There are already thousands of such servers.

Quote from: Kerth on March 13, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
You're wrong, if it'll be non-stack nobody will move here...
Let's see who will come

When non-stack
-Few people who want retail like server from DN
-Few ppl not from DN

When stack
-Many actual players of 5/15/30/200 x
-Many old players of 5/15/30 x who left because of clan / scam / fail / being bored
-Many old players of first and second 10x, who had no other choice than left,
-Many ppl who are looking for good stack-sub server, with nice gameplay and  huge population since few years, cuz they know it's pointless to start game now for ex. on 15x, where 50% people are those who donated for top stuff, 40% are old players who play since veeeery long and have top stuff, 9% are asslickers / admin's or gm's friends / scammers  and others who also have top stuff
-Propably some olf clans of this Network
-New clans
-New random players looking for new server with huge pop


you can count your self,  non-stack means ~800 players?  Stack means ~over 3 k for sure.

Don't say that it's copy of other servers - no, it's refresh for them. If you want to play good non-stack server, go and find it, nobody pushs you to stay at DN, which always was and will be stack-network. There are so many of stack servers with Gracia Final or Epilogue, with huge populations, that really, who wants to play at Hb (not even full, still) retail-like, with low rates and low population?

Actually i disagree with u in many things , compare any retail like server players with any DN server players , DN never had a chance , and even that new server wont take Dn to the top

Lets face it

- Retail servers population > stack sub servers population

- Stack sub servers has lots of problems / mutants and lots of nerfs , whining and many bugs , in retail u wont face that problem much, it will be nothing comparing to stack sub

- the main problem in most of DN is oly , ppl r sick of op combos in oly u have to be buffer to win something , never been fair in stack sub system , and its not that fair in retail as well , thats why there is class based games so instead of using it to transfer points as it used to be in the past there will be real games

- i played nm for very long time and i have everything i ever needed and i stopped playing , why most of existing DN players would actually go to a new server with same features but different rates ?  it makes no sense noone will leave their items and the shit they have to go play the same thing again it cant be called refreshment rly

- Retail will allow all the classes to be played , u would see actual ppl playing supports for the support sake itself , it improves the game play , instead of having 3 bots in party just to buff / support

- Ppl r looking for new servers all the time , so weather its retail or stack sub ppl will come but as i said in first point retail population > stack sub population

Quote from: Diabolical on March 13, 2010, 03:44:44 PM
Actually i disagree with u in many things , compare any retail like server players with any DN server players , DN never had a chance , and even that new server wont take Dn to the top

Lets face it

- Retail servers population > stack sub servers population

- Stack sub servers has lots of problems / mutants and lots of nerfs , whining and many bugs , in retail u wont face that problem much, it will be nothing comparing to stack sub

- the main problem in most of DN is oly , ppl r sick of op combos in oly u have to be buffer to win something , never been fair in stack sub system , and its not that fair in retail as well , thats why there is class based games so instead of using it to transfer points as it used to be in the past there will be real games

- i played nm for very long time and i have everything i ever needed and i stopped playing , why most of existing DN players would actually go to a new server with same features but different rates ?  it makes no sense noone will leave their items and the shit they have to go play the same thing again it cant be called refreshment rly

- Retail will allow all the classes to be played , u would see actual ppl playing supports for the support sake itself , it improves the game play , instead of having 3 bots in party just to buff / support

- Ppl r looking for new servers all the time , so weather its retail or stack sub ppl will come but as i said in first point retail population > stack sub population

I'm glad that there is someone to discuss :) Let me answer you

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1. Retail servers population > stack sub servers population

You are right BUT it's more like
Gracia off non bugged server population > stack sub server population
And there are thousands of servers like this.

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2. the main problem in most of DN is oly , ppl r sick of op combos in oly u have to be buffer to win something , never been fair in stack sub system , and its not that fair in retail as well , thats why there is class based games so instead of using it to transfer points as it used to be in the past there will be real games

You know, but for really, how many % of population participes in oly? From my knoweagle it's about 10% in each server.
About complains - here poeple complain because you have to be xx/buffer to win something,  on retail / retail like servers they complain because most of classes loose to supports - so you still have to be support. And IMO it's even better this way, because it push people to play for ex. Necro/pp not Necro/pal  = more classes are useable.

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3.  Retail will allow all the classes to be played , u would see actual ppl playing supports for the support sake itself , it improves the game play , instead of having 3 bots in party just to buff / support

Again I have to disagree - many classes on retail for ex. TK or SE are almost never seen, because they are useless for anything. At stack you can be for ex. SH/SE, so you still play support, but you can also hit. I was playing at few retail-like servers, quite long, 2 times I were playing WC as my main, and it's not fun to be support all the time, you cant hit or anything. Here for example i can make Ty/WC, so then im useable in fight, and in supporting = double pleasure from gameplay.

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4.i played nm for very long time and i have everything i ever needed and i stopped playing , why most of existing DN players would actually go to a new server with same features but different rates ?  it makes no sense noone will leave their items and the shit they have to go play the same thing again it cant be called refreshment rly

Then you are quite individual, from what I know, most of people who left didn't had in reasons that they were bored of subs / things that they obtained or server features, they left because
a) server's populations dropped from few thousands to few hundrets (for ex. 15x in C4 had about 3  k players online, now it have maybe 600 with boxes together)
b) increasing corruption, more and more donators and stuff going up (for ex. if someone was in c6 in IC maybe 60% had S grade on server, now 80% have at least DN set, 70% have icarius, 60% have at least 2 rb jewels), fails like enchant-event-fail (when some people bought about 400 bews 100 kk each, and later sold 4 coins each)
c) personal issues, clan issues, low time for playing in that time, but now they have time and passion once again, so they want back
d) server close (raven, shadow)

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4. Ppl r looking for new servers all the time , so weather its retail or stack sub ppl will come but as i said in first point retail population > stack sub population

The point about population is that, people who are looking just for new server, they are looking for features
non corrupted / healthy comminity / at least Gracia with all features 100% working, no bugs / experienced gm's in events and communication with players (no offence^^) / no donations / no custom features
Does Dn fit any of those features? hmmm, let me seeeeee....... Sorry, dont think so. But there are many who does.

But people who are looking for stack-sub servers, they look for another features :
balanced sub gameplay (and YES, dragon has most balanced one of all stac-sub servers I've tried) / gm's experienced in subs matters / long gameplay without wipe (most of stack-servers fall in about few months, because of lack in staff's experience) / and ofc fresh start...

And don't say like "go back yo your beloved stacksub servers", because if you didnt realize yet, other servers in this network are dead (or slowly, but still, dying). Do you really think that somebody will now start to play at 5/15/30x ? I don't think so, because players lvl (mostly in eq) are not reachable (without donating 5 k euro). People are loooking for fresh stack server, not for dying ones.

Quote from: Bav3 on March 13, 2010, 02:28:24 PM
i want start on new server with my friends and there isnt any new server

If you did't search for it, you'll never find it. As i know TenshinoSekai started about at 06.03.10, some other servers are going to be up soon too  (I don't wanna be judged like I'm doing adverts or something).

I wonder why some people are even posting there. They won't leave their servers anyway :)

Quote from: Bav3 on March 13, 2010, 12:39:29 PM
to kill noobs like u ::)
and now i want real enemy on non sub stuck server where wont be noobs ;)

ok

Just make this server C4 and u`ll have online 10k ppls :D      3/4 ppls miss c4 as i see ... m2

Very nice post Kerth,i agree with you.Still dunno what to say about gracia...i kinda hate all chronicles after interlude...

Quote from: Torek [IF] on March 13, 2010, 11:21:39 PM
i learn 1 important things in my life:
ppl that talk too much and say "i'm pro, i'm god etc etc", indeed they don't worth a cent

Quote from: darkcore on March 13, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
atm

Total Voters: 362

that´s equal to 362 players?

xD

not bad for a fresh start

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haha you think this is the number of ppls that will start?many just dont want to vote,you will see when server goes live i bet will be more than 1,5k players if DN make good advertising to this server anyway even w/o advertising will start with 1k+ many ppls just w8 a sub stack and stable server

Quote from: Bav3 on March 14, 2010, 01:20:50 AM
but still me>u ;)

ah...ok.

Quote from: Bav3 on March 14, 2010, 12:31:24 PM
im not talking to u
qq attention whore

Quote from: Dhart on March 14, 2010, 11:32:03 AM
ah...ok.

Quote from: Kerth on March 13, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
I'm glad that there is someone to discuss :) Let me answer youYou are right BUT it's more like
Gracia off non bugged server population > stack sub server population
And there are thousands of servers like this.
You know, but for really, how many % of population participes in oly? From my knoweagle it's about 10% in each server.
About complains - here poeple complain because you have to be xx/buffer to win something,  on retail / retail like servers they complain because most of classes loose to supports - so you still have to be support. And IMO it's even better this way, because it push people to play for ex. Necro/pp not Necro/pal  = more classes are useable.Again I have to disagree - many classes on retail for ex. TK or SE are almost never seen, because they are useless for anything. At stack you can be for ex. SH/SE, so you still play support, but you can also hit. I was playing at few retail-like servers, quite long, 2 times I were playing WC as my main, and it's not fun to be support all the time, you cant hit or anything. Here for example i can make Ty/WC, so then im useable in fight, and in supporting = double pleasure from gameplay. Then you are quite individual, from what I know, most of people who left didn't had in reasons that they were bored of subs / things that they obtained or server features, they left because
a) server's populations dropped from few thousands to few hundrets (for ex. 15x in C4 had about 3  k players online, now it have maybe 600 with boxes together)
b) increasing corruption, more and more donators and stuff going up (for ex. if someone was in c6 in IC maybe 60% had S grade on server, now 80% have at least DN set, 70% have icarius, 60% have at least 2 rb jewels), fails like enchant-event-fail (when some people bought about 400 bews 100 kk each, and later sold 4 coins each)
c) personal issues, clan issues, low time for playing in that time, but now they have time and passion once again, so they want back
d) server close (raven, shadow)The point about population is that, people who are looking just for new server, they are looking for features
non corrupted / healthy comminity / at least Gracia with all features 100% working, no bugs / experienced gm's in events and communication with players (no offence^^) / no donations / no custom features
Does Dn fit any of those features? hmmm, let me seeeeee....... Sorry, dont think so. But there are many who does.

But people who are looking for stack-sub servers, they look for another features :
balanced sub gameplay (and YES, dragon has most balanced one of all stac-sub servers I've tried) / gm's experienced in subs matters / long gameplay without wipe (most of stack-servers fall in about few months, because of lack in staff's experience) / and ofc fresh start...

And don't say like "go back yo your beloved stacksub servers", because if you didnt realize yet, other servers in this network are dead (or slowly, but still, dying). Do you really think that somebody will now start to play at 5/15/30x ? I don't think so, because players lvl (mostly in eq) are not reachable (without donating 5 k euro). People are loooking for fresh stack server, not for dying ones.

ROFL  since C5 No more chronicles  to begin with , you plaid WC on retail like server and you only suported ROFL lamer WC and OL p0wn on retail servers you just noob that don't understand the meaning of armor masteries and wepon masteries on thouse 2 have you saw anywhere on DN OL to come and stun you or to use hiss mass poison or flames,or hit with normal attack did you see some one here to attack on normal attack they only know DRAIN DRAIN DRAIN ?? i didn't so you just lame becouse of stascking subs,so just STFU you never new the game to begin with,and yes OL and WC are mutants to begin with they are mix between close combat fighter and kinda suport mage.Or you gona tell me now you had to heal non stop with it couse ROFL  I have seen with my own eyes on Alexandria - Deviant realms in beginning how OL and WC enter arena and clear it from 40+ noobs like you just the 2 of them and hey imo they where in B with AoBA-just lol.On server there at that point they had only one Elysean axe and it was drop from mob: the dude that plaid with it was hunting with no shots COUSE there wasn't high enof dwarf to start craft A grade anithing.And server was already like a year old.But you know when ppl aren't alowed from gm's to exploit and bot not even dual a server can move forward really slow.At that time and that rate they had taken only Dion on DN Dion is insignificant castle ROFL.

Stacking subs here don't make only characters ustless it makes skills also ustles .But iff they are balanced acording retail like data i'm shure we can have Epic batles just it requires a lot of work.Also you can add DNsubs on more retails.About mutants is somthing you can't avoid with stacking subs.

P.S. Only that here and especially on Infy we have more than 200 Valakas Necklaces and like that Antharas ones makes servers go like this comunity does also with always searching a way to screw enemies you screw game .

Anyway if it is DN so let it be DN server.
You want fresh start WIPE network and make it more stable that way you gona get the only reasonable fresh start well as i said in previus is the most riskie action but also can prove to be the most winning one.
You want to make fresh start meanwhyle you don't wana disapoind donators that suported you all these years well face it you can't make bouth and to get good results.Reasons are pointed in many posts so far main ones are,you don't have good advertisment so ppl can't hear of network only if some one tells them so............

If you dislike what i say don't read it !

Try to understand that old players (who got scamed or left DN early) want to play new stack sub to feel fun again :) (also meet old friends again)
It's non sens to start from zero on Nightmare or Dragon where almost everyone have oe weapon, dynasty and its very hard to get it :)
for peoples who reached everything on DN, NM its another boring server exacly the same like others.
But for others its chance to feel fun again on beloved server :)
to make it more balanced there shouldn't be mutants.. simply it's impossible to make it balance with it ! (in c4 it was a lot easier )
look at Frintezza where aren't mutants and when i played it, was balanced. (for sure more than DN)

Sorry for english ;)

Quote from: Grosse on March 14, 2010, 02:17:47 PM
make it more balanced there shouldn't be mutants..

Evry1 say the same about mutantas,i dunno why gm dont make a post to make us all chill and say :THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE MUTANTS" and evry1 will be happy ;)

Quote from: Sowell on March 14, 2010, 02:19:51 PM
Evry1 say the same about mutantas,i dunno why gm dont make a post to make us all chill and say :THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE MUTANTS" and evry1 will be happy ;)

imo should be poll about that :) everyone have their own opinion :)

Quote from: Grosse on March 14, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
imo should be poll about that :) everyone have their own opinion :)

yea you right ,some GM's from other server that made acc here wanna ruin this server and maybe they make multi acc to vote for mutants or kids will vote for mutants cuz they dont know this will ruin the server they only think to make ol/es or any other mutation that is OP cuz they dont know the beauty of a real mass pvp with normal stack subs ,why any1 should make a sps/ee for ex when some1 alse have for ex pr/wl and come poc 1 critic and sps dead...w/e even if is a poll NO mutations will win ,real players will know what to vote

Quote from: Sowell on March 14, 2010, 02:40:25 PM
yea you right ,some GM's from other server that made acc here wanna ruin this server and maybe they make multi acc to vote for mutants or kids will vote for mutants cuz they dont know this will ruin the server they only think to make ol/es or any other mutation that is OP cuz they dont know the beauty of a real mass pvp with normal stack subs ,why any1 should make a sps/ee for ex when some1 alse have for ex pr/wl and come poc 1 critic and sps dead...w/e even if is a poll NO mutations will win ,real players will know what to vote

yea, you are right :)

but imo here should be some diffrents between other servers :)
and one of them is removing mutants yey ! :D

Quote from: Sowell on March 14, 2010, 02:40:25 PM
yea you right ,some GM's from other server that made acc here wanna ruin this server and maybe they make multi acc to vote for mutants or kids will vote for mutants cuz they dont know this will ruin the server they only think to make ol/es or any other mutation that is OP cuz they dont know the beauty of a real mass pvp with normal stack subs ,why any1 should make a sps/ee for ex when some1 alse have for ex pr/wl and come poc 1 critic and sps dead...w/e even if is a poll NO mutations will win ,real players will know what to vote

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Quote from: Kerth on March 13, 2010, 05:01:40 PM

TK or SE are almost never seen, because they are useless for anything. At stack you can be for ex. SH/SE, so you still play support, but you can also hit. I was playing at few retail-like servers, quite long, 2 times I were playing WC as my main, and it's not fun to be support all the time, you cant hit or anything. Here for example i can make Ty/WC, so then im useable in fight, and in supporting = double pleasure from gameplay.

buhahahha

I think u are never seen retail server, WC or OL
cant hit anything?Oo

for u - supports, summoners and tanks own class like > f1 archers, nukers

WC/ OL/ all TANKS > daggers

better learn to play and stop talking shits

Quote from: smerfik on March 14, 2010, 05:41:08 PM
buhahahha

I think u are never seen retail server, WC or OL
cant hit anything?Oo

for u - supports, summoners and tanks own class like > f1 archers, nukers

WC/ OL/ all TANKS > daggers

better learn to play and stop talking shits

Prolly I didnt said it clearlly - I don't mean support can't fight in 1v1 like oly or something, cuz it's bullshit and who care... I meant situations where for ex. archer party vs archer party, both full buffed. Archer with same EQ hit on wc 800, crit 4 k, wc hit 400, crit 1200.

If you just "know" they own, stop post and enjoy your knoweagle, which comes from nowhere. Thanks.

Anyway, no matter what that will be stacksub server, also no matter of poll results. I remember poll at c4/c6 "do you want mutants on server?"
Yes 350
No 900

Are they still there? Let me see..

Quote from: Bav3 on March 14, 2010, 03:46:43 PM
i dont know what are u talking about ;)

Like almost everything you say... xD

anyway i think we all know the famous "progress" of DN activity`s so i will check this again in few months hoping that there wll be some progress ;D

Subs dn is not l2 remenber guys.....i vote for no sub stacks :)

Quote from: Tyler on March 10, 2010, 01:39:15 PM
Ofc yes. It's DN  :)

and everyone will give no shit about pp and bd uf we wont have sub system.

Quote from: Mijamoto on March 15, 2010, 07:50:48 AM
and everyone will give no shit about pp and bd uf we wont have sub system.

hmmmmm on retail no bd = no party ,and pp is oly king ;P

ES is more oly queen :)

Retail:
OL and Tyr with PreZealot + Bison r0ck so dont know what are U talkin 'bout oO

Quote from: darkcore on March 11, 2010, 12:24:17 AM
make new sub stack system

golky horn allows you to learn 5 skills of ANY class


that can be very weird

XD

Yea very weird when people will make all TH/HE with frenzy, guts, bison, AI,zealot, UD....have i missed something?
Would be a nice idea if you can make only one retail and use max 5 skills of it along with your main class, actve or passives.Maybe not letting people to log 1000 boots to have full buff all the time will also be a nice idea.Like this, along with no DNET sets and OE weapons, maybe many people will leave the other servers and come play here

Quote from: darkcore on March 15, 2010, 11:41:53 PM
TH/HE  <==  no man
remove stacking  a new class and only allow to learn 5 skills of any class thats all
example if ur are TH and took the horn you can learn 5 new skills of any class or race

but that can make very unbalanced server

=P

I guess he means TH or HE, not stacked TH/HE with this skills.
And yes, it would be very unbalanced.

Anyway, they won't make any "new stack system", cuz their choice is simple - use ready drake's files, or use ready normal files, so there is no point in such discuss, really.
If you want REALLY true l2, go play retail, instead of donating here, pay NCsoft and buy adena at ebuy there lol.

Quote from: Kerth on March 16, 2010, 12:20:27 AM
Anyway, they won't make any "new stack system", cuz their choice is simple - use ready drake's files, or use ready normal files, so there is no point in such discuss, really.

Quote from: Tomoru on March 14, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
Subs dn is not l2 remenber guys.....i vote for no sub stacks :)

This is exactly why we are here and why we're waiting for this server.
If you want REALLY true l2, go play retail, instead of donating here, pay NCsoft and buy adena at ebuy there lol.

Quote from: Bav3 on March 16, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
disable donations for 1st few month

shut up noob  ;D

Quote from: Bav3 on March 16, 2010, 12:46:41 AM
if u wanna play l2 play like its made (without sub stuck) and if dont wanna play l2 find some other game

Nobody cares about your stupid senseless posts...so why do you even bother writing?

Quote from: Dhart on March 16, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
Nobody cares about your stupid senseless posts...so why do you even bother writing?

Noes ! I just paied him attentions....me dumb :<

Quote from: Bav3 on March 16, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
disable donations for 1st few month

//AGREE

Yep, disable donations for the first months, or if you wont, make only a grade donateabla for ~3 months, after s grade too. But i hope dyna, icarus, boss jewels wont be donateable never, and donator coin wont be tradeable.

Quote from: roberts on March 16, 2010, 04:53:38 PM
//AGREE

what's the sense of removing them for just few months?lol...do you think in 3-4 months ppl can reach the lvl of dinasties?..

Quote from: Dhart on March 16, 2010, 05:03:01 PM
what's the sense of removing them for just few months?lol...do you think in 3-4 months ppl can reach the lvl of dinasties?..

1. Farm dyna is a realy hard work, so i hope it wont be donateable, but if yes->
2. ~3 months is enough to make a grade armors, s grade jewels, and s grade weapons, maybe subs too, so ppl can farm on hb.

would be the best no donation at all. not in 1 month neither in 1 year  ;)

Quote from: cerva on March 16, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
would be the best no donation at all. not in 1 month neither in 1 year  ;)

Would be, but if wont be donation, server will die for sure.

Quote from: Toszi on March 16, 2010, 05:24:59 PM
Would be, but if wont be donation, server will die for sure.

so...would be the best if donation would be just to support the server...w/o any feedback  :P

Quote from: Toszi on March 16, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
1. Farm dyna is a realy hard work, so i hope it wont be donateable, but if yes->
2. ~3 months is enough to make a grade armors, s grade jewels, and s grade weapons, maybe subs too, so ppl can farm on hb.

3 months for S grade?...omagad nolifers server coming soon?xD

Quote from: Dhart on March 16, 2010, 05:28:48 PM
3 months for S grade?...omagad nolifers server coming soon?xD

With a good organized clan/constant party its nothing.

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Quote from: Toszi on March 15, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
I guess he means TH or HE, not stacked TH/HE with this skills.
And yes, it would be very unbalanced.

Yea, was that what i ment

ok.just few things to say,i see things will never change here.
i see again so many kids arguing,please ffs,u make me sick.
iso many pros here,please stop and fight ingame...what is this,forum pvp?
we all wait for a sub stack server and imo it will be best WITHOUT MUTANTS,thats why we are here on DN.
best regards

Quote from: Streeter on March 17, 2010, 01:46:13 AM
ok.just few things to say,i see things will never change here.
i see again so many kids arguing,please ffs,u make me sick.
iso many pros here,please stop and fight ingame...what is this,forum pvp?
we all wait for a sub stack server and imo it will be best WITHOUT MUTANTS,thats why we are here on DN.
best regards

Since not every1 waiting for this sever have characters at another dn servers they can't "fight in game".
I like mutants, but still imo no mutants- more healthy server, so /agree.

There are many servers with  L2off features. Stack-sub system was unique and specific for DN since it was created.

u have 4 servers with stack sub go play there.....5x, 15x, 30x, 200x
Lets make something different from others servers. And no not everyone likes stack sub  :-* mby boters do cause they need only 3 box instead of 6 box to have full buff. This is MMORPG game so means u shouldnt play it alone but with friends.
And who say that PP or WC will be sux class is wrong cause my friend had PP in chronicle times and he made a lot of money only by buffing ppl  ;)

Quote from: Meryl on March 17, 2010, 05:59:13 PM
u have 4 servers with stack sub go play there.....5x, 15x, 30x, 200x
Lets make something different from others servers. And no not everyone likes stack sub  :-* mby boters do cause they need only 3 box instead of 6 box to have full buff. This is MMORPG game so means u shouldnt play it alone but with friends.
And who say that PP or WC will be sux class is wrong cause my friend had PP in chronicle times and he made a lot of money only by buffing ppl  ;)

So go play somewhere else. What is the big deal? ...

Why ? Do u really think there are only retail servers ? lol
There is already a lot of servers like dragon even with 3 subs...
but the point u didnt get is that i wanna stay on DN cause i have chars on arena and dragon also and i dont have free space to install 15447 clients in my PC, aaand second thing is that DN server didnt get wiped out.... idk if will be stack sub or no, cause when i see results of voting no point to discuss about it. Only my opinion is that DN need some new fresh air :P

Quote from: Streeter on March 17, 2010, 01:46:13 AM
ok.just few things to say,i see things will never change here.
i see again so many kids arguing,please ffs,u make me sick.
iso many pros here,please stop and fight ingame...what is this,forum pvp?
we all wait for a sub stack server and imo it will be best WITHOUT MUTANTS,thats why we are here on DN.
best regards

Yes this forum is pvp.

Hai Streeter! ^^

Quote from: Bav3 on March 17, 2010, 06:15:49 PM
go play nm dragon arena not big deal ;)

Blood prolly u don't took one thinkg, nm/dragon are dead, other retail servers aren't :)
Anyway I don't think that poll will change much, also you will play here anyway hahahah :))

The one of reason's that many ppl left DN was the age of servers, when u start now u will be 0 here, to many o/e weapons, armors, donated pink bows etc. New, fresh server Dragon-like is good way to get lost players back. I will try Valkyria for sure (remind for times when ppl was using C, B grades and when some1 had majestic it was unbeliveable). Server on DN w/o stack sub will be just next empty server.

Quote from: TifaPL on March 17, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
The one of reason's that many ppl left DN was the age of servers, when u start now u will be 0 here, to many o/e weapons, armors, donated pink bows etc. New, fresh server Dragon-like is good way to get lost players back. I will try Valkyria for sure (remind for times when ppl was using C, B grades and when some1 had majestic it was unbeliveable). Server on DN w/o stack sub will be just next empty server.

agree with u, but for example i left cause of ncsoft fcked the game allot.. c4 - IL was good chronicles everything was balanced u get and s armor+weap and u r ready for pvp ;) and now some no lifers farm/donate for s80 / 85 and for example ppl that dont have tiem to farm dont get this items and its geting inbalanced ;) and becamse endless farming just my opinion i remember playing infi on c4 it was every time i log pvp and now i tryed it little like half year ago and pvp was only on sieges ( lack of ppl and the others farming or smthІ) -.-

Quote from: Bav3 on March 17, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
why ua re so sure about poll?
drake dont give a shit what ppl say ;)

Gosh...your retardness is not just beating any limits...it's even bringing my patience down xD...you'r so stupid that you haven't even read valkyria its a "separated" server from the other ones of the community...so what does drake has to do this this?

Quote from: Bav3 on March 17, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
why ua re so sure about poll?
drake dont give a shit what ppl say ;)

/agree :D
But still I can bet It'll be stack :)
Anyway see you IG :P

Quote from: Bav3 on March 17, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
i dont care i jsut can say taht noobody care about us, so admins will do what they want no mater who they are ;)

so why did they create the poll?to take fun of us?

Quote from: Bav3 on March 17, 2010, 10:39:25 PM
how many pools was in DN history?
did they change anything? NOP ;)

I haven't seen any pool around  ???

Quote from: LagoonPL on March 17, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I haven't seen any pool around  ???

xd

Quote from: Dhart on March 17, 2010, 10:29:08 PM
so why did they create the poll?to take fun of us?

yes.

I can say only one thing : L2 is really poor game , about equipment trhu lvl's and staff so is normal that ppl stop plaing it when they have better choises to play.So the chance to ppl to come back when they found better game or satisfiing server to them is equal to 0.So .................

Quote from: LagoonPL on March 17, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I haven't seen any pool around  ???

Was about the pool drake have it in his own yard, and only few people can enjoy using it ;D ;D

Quote from: darkcore on March 18, 2010, 03:33:54 PM
this is the 1st time i read someone more retard than me
or meyb more stupid than me

wthver...if you think that of l2  go =====> control panel ====> add/remove programs =====> unistall l2

kkthnxbb  (?¿?¿?¿?)

Little bit late for that advice , but that doesn't mean that i can't say my opinion?After all i played here for a long time and i kinda have an eye for what going around! Is simple maths just look around and you see.Take in one part of calculation all the changes in L2 world for more than 7 major updaites and changes in subtitles suposed to bring more fun, the equasion is still the same nothing new and nothing at all like, choise at high lvls where the real game is! After that add also DN options and check out Lord Ipos killed by party and half with Ty/De in Dinasty with DHA +n 120 minutes , you think that can bring new players here(info from 2 days ago server Infi) and i wouldn't say that ppl killing him are noobs?You think that game might be interesting for some one spend his time in it since C2,regardless that server is high rate , with nothing new to offer? Best times where before augmentation and the restriction that you don't drop after beiing killed by mob, game lost its char or what ever is the word for simpatic quitines rofl(bad english sry) !So my question is why triing to revive Network like this with no good at all server where question isn't subs / or no subs becouse we all know DN isn't the best fixed network around,and why making new server when old ones need so much fixing.Still the crew that makes this new server worked with drake ,hmm i wonder what exactly where thouse guis fixing i'm kinda qurius, i mean look at all the bugs we have :D ops i ment you!  :-\

P.S. I forgot to mention the full lack of any kind of advertisment for the new server, is just a topic in Forum so :

48[Details]   Dragon - Network
Full Hellbound OFF,x5 x15 x30 x200 rates, over 4500 players! 100% uptime. Custom potions,stackable sub system. Never wiped over 5 years. : Top 100 ROFL  :

http://dragon-network.net/status/  Witch one is real ? About wipe in my personal opinion is the only thruth in those words  ::) :o ;D . Nothing personal guis just disapointment and a BIG one to be more specific, not that it means anything many ppl here don't care for other than theyr own opinion. SO DON'T READ WHAT I SAY DAMN IT ISN'T THAT HARD, JUST SKIP WHEN SEE MY AVATAR  :o or ask gm to del my posts even eazier  :-*

Thanks for prooving my point about majority of ppl here !
Brain washed kids pfff nothing to add . No brain for no Pain!

Quote from: EsaKeDoem on March 19, 2010, 04:50:03 AM
Little bit late for that advice , but that doesn't mean that i can't say my opinion?After all i played here for a long time and i kinda have an eye for what going around! Is simple maths just look around and you see.Take in one part of calculation all the changes in L2 world for more than 7 major updaites and changes in subtitles suposed to bring more fun, the equasion is still the same nothing new and nothing at all like, choise at high lvls where the real game is! After that add also DN options and check out Lord Ipos killed by party and half with Ty/De in Dinasty with DHA +n 120 minutes , you think that can bring new players here(info from 2 days ago server Infi) and i wouldn't say that ppl killing him are noobs?You think that game might be interesting for some one spend his time in it since C2,regardless that server is high rate , with nothing new to offer? Best times where before augmentation and the restriction that you don't drop after beiing killed by mob, game lost its char or what ever is the word for simpatic quitines rofl(bad english sry) !So my question is why triing to revive Network like this with no good at all server where question isn't subs / or no subs becouse we all know DN isn't the best fixed network around,and why making new server when old ones need so much fixing.Still the crew that makes this new server worked with drake ,hmm i wonder what exactly where thouse guis fixing i'm kinda qurius, i mean look at all the bugs we have :D ops i ment you!  :-\

P.S. I forgot to mention the full lack of any kind of advertisment for the new server, is just a topic in Forum so :

48[Details]   Dragon - Network
Full Hellbound OFF,x5 x15 x30 x200 rates, over 4500 players! 100% uptime. Custom potions,stackable sub system. Never wiped over 5 years. : Top 100 ROFL  :

http://dragon-network.net/status/  Witch one is real ? About wipe in my personal opinion is the only thruth in those words  ::) :o ;D . Nothing personal guis just disapointment and a BIG one to be more specific, not that it means anything many ppl here don't care for other than theyr own opinion. SO DON'T READ WHAT I SAY DAMN IT ISN'T THAT HARD, JUST SKIP WHEN SEE MY AVATAR  :o or ask gm to del my posts even eazier  :-*

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Woo man, if you write long posts, for god sake, use intrpunction and magic key [enter]... You'r english is kinda horrible (I'm not saying mine is perfect or something, but still, I've got headache reading your post :/ )

I can give you one answer for your question "why to make new server, while others need to be fixed". The answer sounds "cuz they are D E A D". You know, body in a coffin, burried under ground - dead.
Don't know how about infinity or nightmare, but dragon don't have any new players since 2 years, new town's are always empty, which mean server is dying. Population is falling rapidly, from 4 k players in c4 to maybe 500 now. Too many donators and old players, start for newcomers is almost impissible (and it's even harder than before, cuz of not working l2w, less ancient adena drop and souls stones for SA in shop).
New, and normal players left long ago, waiting for new stack sub server here, or anywhere else. There are only donators and some addicted maniacs who are still playing 5/15/30, cuz they don't want to leave their equip they've worked so hard for. But it's obvious there is really no hope, and no future for this servs - that's why start new one^^