I know this will most likely be spammed like no other with nothing but hate. But I'm going to quickly give my 2 cents about what I've seen here the past two days. If I was a developer/admin I would like to know what the players think and I'd seriously take into consideration their complaints/praises.
I joined dragon network day 1 when it first launched, been around the block a time or two. I ran FallenLegion and we held Giran the first year of nightmare being up. I am a HUGE fan of the stack sub system.
On that note, however...
Why on earth are the rates so slow? This game is to old for anyone to seriously sit down and "grind" through the 20s, 30s, and so on without flying through them. A 30x server would be PERFECT. Why make people spend all that time getting to where they want to be? We've done it 489328409328 times over the past ten years and EVERYONE knows this game is ALL about end game.
I AM still playing, so watch what your response is, but I don't know how far I will make it. I have a DD and a PP together and after quite afew hours of play am not even 52. I haven't spent this much time in Cruma since retail.
Drake, please reconsider this. ALL of the people I have talked to in game since logging in for the first time yesterday has had but one complaint; The rates
They said everyone has left because of the grind and that it's just not worth the time. I unfortunately think I'm going to end up agreeing with them, which is too bad because I was pretty excited to get back into this again.
So with all of that said, let the spam/hate fly, but I seriously hope I can get Drake/Track to reply to this with a serious reply :-)
See ya in game!
-Mordyn
I'm getting tired too. I'm not a nonlifer gamer, I have work on weekdays except on weekends I can do 12h a day but not enough to lvl and compete to the others since my main is a support(sws). It is too tired seeking for pt always and everyone want to do solo. I hope Drake/Track can make an event on exp or something that low lvl can make it to the end game. Just exp not drop.
Something else to keep in mind is that the majority of people that play L2 are old-school players. They/we are alot older than we were when L2 launched. I was in 7th grade, lol. I had all the time in the world. Admins, y'all need to consider this and remember that the job is to keep the community happy and engaged. If I play L2 ever again, it'll be Dragon Network, but not at this pace. Lets bump the rates up!
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 07:04:25 AM
Something else to keep in mind is that the majority of people that play L2 are old-school players. They/we are alot older than we were when L2 launched. I was in 7th grade, lol. I had all the time in the world. Admins, y'all need to consider this and remember that the job is to keep the community happy and engaged. If I play L2 ever again, it'll be Dragon Network, but not at this pace. Lets bump the rates up!
I agree with that. +1
you can get to lvl 76 easily in less than a week if you play just 4 hours a day. if you know that and still dont like it, then maybe you were looking for a high rate server?
Quote from: pmkaboo on March 31, 2014, 07:41:58 AM
you can get to lvl 76 easily in less than a week if you play just 4 hours a day. if you know that and still dont like it, then maybe you were looking for a high rate server?
I did when I do my retail and it is easy since I have support and I did it for solo not party far from what Track and Drake promise on the pt exp have much exp than do solo. But please consider player that have only 1 char and that char is either sws, wc, bd etc. Do you think you can do less than a week? 1-70 is just like 10 times. But 76-79 goes to x1. It is very hard for us.
i leveled sorc retail 40-75 in 2 days on ch buffs solo 1-40 is 1-2h max of work if u play with friends for sure u can make all this faster leveling is not that hard (well on 79lv it goes a bit slow but still possible to make like 2~%/buff)
Exp is hard when you are alone only on pp buffs.
Most ppl has passed that phase, for example im lvlin my sps retail with WC/OL 78 buffs on my back and it's rly easy. Buffs count ALOT. Once you gather with ppl you will lvl up faster.
If you dont have A grade gear ill suggest uou to do a spoiler or crafter for Adenas and buy/craft A. If you're a nuker go to VOS and farm dc/tallum gloves rec.
Exp is meant to be hard cuz there's no decent substack low rate. You just played some hours.. Tarantula is a long term server.
Who the hell choose sws as solo player? ;o
i dunno what classe did you choose but trust me if you find the right exp spot, u can level up pretty fast, lvl 40-61 is 1lvl/2buffround~. I had same thoughts at first but now it's completely different to me. obiously if you dont wanna be bored at 76+ levels you should get a CP and exp together. Ofc the hardest classes to level up are all the daggers/tank/pp/ol/wc/archer.. and i dunno how to help you in case you are playing one of them, else if you aren't, feel free to pm me for any help
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
20-40 minutes? And i'm santa claus
so you were unable to make 100% from 40 to 41 in less than 40mins? :)
stable x10 or x15 rates would be nice, that dynamic xp system is lame.
imho the rate should be 1x, the game is the game at every level
Quote from: Torek [IF] on March 31, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
imho the rate should be 1x, the game is the game at every level
rates should be 0.3x imo, game is life, life is game
40 minuts for lvl, not whole 21 lvls ::)
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 12:21:03 PM
he wrote 61 not 41
apparantly you have problems with reading with understanding :)
Quote from: TheDeath on March 31, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
u can level up pretty fast, lvl 40-61 is 1lvl/2buffround~.
MEANING, every 1lvl takes no more than 40mins to get. Starting from lvl 40, ending at 61
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 05:38:12 AM
I know this will most likely be spammed like no other with nothing but hate. But I'm going to quickly give my 2 cents about what I've seen here the past two days. If I was a developer/admin I would like to know what the players think and I'd seriously take into consideration their complaints/praises.
I joined dragon network day 1 when it first launched, been around the block a time or two. I ran FallenLegion and we held Giran the first year of nightmare being up. I am a HUGE fan of the stack sub system.
On that note, however...
Why on earth are the rates so slow? This game is to old for anyone to seriously sit down and "grind" through the 20s, 30s, and so on without flying through them. A 30x server would be PERFECT. Why make people spend all that time getting to where they want to be? We've done it 489328409328 times over the past ten years and EVERYONE knows this game is ALL about end game.
I AM still playing, so watch what your response is, but I don't know how far I will make it. I have a DD and a PP together and after quite afew hours of play am not even 52. I haven't spent this much time in Cruma since retail.
Drake, please reconsider this. ALL of the people I have talked to in game since logging in for the first time yesterday has had but one complaint; The rates
They said everyone has left because of the grind and that it's just not worth the time. I unfortunately think I'm going to end up agreeing with them, which is too bad because I was pretty excited to get back into this again.
So with all of that said, let the spam/hate fly, but I seriously hope I can get Drake/Track to reply to this with a serious reply :-)
See ya in game!
-Mordyn
You are not S-grade in two days, so GMs should change rate to 30x.
Kill yourself, thx.
gtfo high rate warrior
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN ! :)
People on dragon are mostly Old time player who played the first time at least 5 years ago. Now they got a life and this game (especially interlude) is too old to bring back new player. We have a life now, we ain't teenager no more. Some of us have kids, wife, work and all this things that can't make us stay more than 2 hours on the computer.
This server could be easily turn in a damn funny server with action 24/24
Quote from: KilisciPL on March 31, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN ! :)
People on dragon are mostly Old time player who played the first time at least 5 years ago. Now they got a life and this game (especially interlude) is too old to bring back new player. We have a life now, we ain't teenager no more. Some of us have kids, wife, work and all this things that can't make us stay more than 2 hours on the computer.
This server could be easily turn in a damn funny server with action 24/24
u can play 2h only, but u want 24/24 fun.
wts family tickets for retards
Quote from: somasz on March 31, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
Who the hell choose sws as solo player? ;o
We can't predict the future bro. Sometimes failed sometimes success. Yes our CP is failed, they are choosing play solo than party. So what I gonna do? QQ to them? no sense.
Yeah, the end rates should be around 10x (at last levels). Most of us leveled chars 3423423 times, it's boring. However for the most of players it was boring at the first times too, cuz nothing new happens at exping in l2, just the same level after level.
Lineage2 have not so good rating(it's around mediocre at every sites), because the long grinding is simply painfully boring. The good part of L2 is are the sieges, epic boss fights and pvps, so the high level happenings.
For the "GTFO high rate" retards: -the problem is high rate is for solo players... on high rate ppl don't give a shit about castles, epics, because they can easily get everything without these. The best rates around 10-30x which is the uppert part of low rate.
-can you tell me a 10-30x rate server with interlude+substack+enough players? You can't, so STFU...
Quote from: KilisciPL on March 31, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN ! :)
People on dragon are mostly Old time player who played the first time at least 5 years ago. Now they got a life and this game (especially interlude) is too old to bring back new player. We have a life now, we ain't teenager no more. Some of us have kids, wife, work and all this things that can't make us stay more than 2 hours on the computer.
This server could be easily turn in a damn funny server with action 24/24
If you cant spend 2 hours by a computer don't play L2. Sorry but I had to say that.
Exp wise this server is easy. Its dynamic, so it starts as mid rate ends as low-rate. Yet it still is easy. Dragon was even in the old days mid rate, so it was easy server for people that don't want to work something for a time. I like to cause i like the servers that stay in good condition for a while. And all top level top OE equip is not good condition that's death. Old infinity was set just right for me, and it was significantly harder server then this one.
Quote from: unhandledexeption on March 31, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
The best rates around 10-30x which is the uppert part of low rate.
Do you understand that 10-30x is not low rate at all?
To make it more easy to understand:
official is 1x
a server that is 5x means that what you get on it in 1 year is 5 years invested in official.
Now, a 30x server means that 1 year invested is like 30 (!!!) years invested on official
Easier and realistic example:
Imagine you play 3hours/day, thats all your free time.
On official it would require you 30 days (a full month) to obtain the same you can obtain on a 30x server in a single 3 hours session. (1 day for you)
So please... 10-30x is definitely high rate.
Low rate is 1x to 3x
Mid rate is 4x to 7x
Mid-high is 8-10x
and High rate goes from 11x up
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 03:31:41 PM
Do you understand that 10-30x is not low rate at all?
To make it more easy to understand:
official is 1x
a server that is 5x means that what you get on it in 1 year is 5 years invested in official.
Now, a 30x server means that 1 year invested is like 30 (!!!) years invested on official
Easier and realistic example:
Imagine you play 3hours/day, thats all your free time.
On official it would require you 30 days (a full month) to obtain the same you can obtain on a 30x server in a single 3 hours session. (1 day for you)
So please... 10-30x is definitely high rate.
Low rate is 1x to 3x
Mid rate is 4x to 7x
Mid-high is 8-10x
and High rate goes from 11x up
In official is rate 1,more vitality pot +some pots that will take you rate 4.
And this rate 4 between level 76 and 80 are ok when you have the decent mobs.
Most of the people are crying,even me crying about the xp,well if you take a look in official they have different mobs to exp at 78/79 for example SWAMPLANDS zone...witch make your rate 4 ++++...but no,here you got VARKAS.
Go varkas with 4 chars lvl 78,you will get 0,01 per mob,go there and test by yourself,i already did.
The only way to exp faster is for example some mage pwoer level you at pagans temple or MOS.
Sometimes i kill 1 mob and i dont receive 0.01 %...
It means 10k mobs per level
Exemplar.
Yeah and that's why we all play on that amazing server those most amazing new chronicles.... oh wait, that's right, it suxx.
Ihmo the server is all right. Semi casual way, you are 79 in less then a month. So I call the server easy. Period.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 03:31:41 PM
Do you understand that 10-30x is not low rate at all?
To make it more easy to understand:
official is 1x
a server that is 5x means that what you get on it in 1 year is 5 years invested in official.
Now, a 30x server means that 1 year invested is like 30 (!!!) years invested on official
Easier and realistic example:
Imagine you play 3hours/day, thats all your free time.
On official it would require you 30 days (a full month) to obtain the same you can obtain on a 30x server in a single 3 hours session. (1 day for you)
So please... 10-30x is definitely high rate.
Low rate is 1x to 3x
Mid rate is 4x to 7x
Mid-high is 8-10x
and High rate goes from 11x up
official= crap, always was. Not surprising that it became F2P, as without that no one would play.
"Low rate is 1x to 3x" you're probably alone with this opinion. I see servers advertised as low rate 1x-10x. BTW infinity 5x was mid rate? :D that was advertised as low rate too, when it existed.
That's funny how you GMs reference on official sometimes and use it as an ultimate argument when you want to suggest that it's good and perfect, but you don't care about official when you're making nerfs, which doesn't exist on official.
Exp only gets rly hard at 79... Stop b1tching...
Sorry for being realistic. Im not "crying"about the rates. Its called common sense. Ten year old game, you can't bring back all the hardcore guys, they have moved on to better games that require a MONTH to hit end game. Even retain has exp boost for $$$, their not stupid.
I knew I'd get the flames, but its fine, think what you want when the server population goes to absolute shit because the "hardcore" that stayed have noone to pvp with. ....oh wait, its already like that! How many sieges were 100% empty yesterday? Lol.
Drake, get with the times. You are a great admin, I love your work, but you need to appeal to the MASSES now. Lineage 2 players are a dying breed.
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 04:40:09 PM
Sorry for being realistic. Im not "crying"about the rates. Its called common sense. Ten year old game, you can't bring back all the hardcore guys, they have moved on to better games that require a MONTH to hit end game. Even retain has exp boost for $$$, their not stupid.
I knew I'd get the flames, but its fine, think what you want when the server population goes to absolute shit because the "hardcore" that stayed have noone to pvp with. ....oh wait, its already like that! How many sieges were 100% empty yesterday? Lol.
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 04:40:09 PM
oh wait, its already like that! How many sieges were 100% empty yesterday? Lol.
try to get a castle vs these OP guards (they respawn every 30 secs even with life crystals and flame crystals down), u'll find out why it's so "empty"
Castles are meant to be taken with "an army". Im yet to see a PVP on this server that would exceed 100 people...
Well if those guys went for a castle, they would take it.... but none seems to be... wanting.
I regret to say I agree, with current rates, server is doomed. I have two 75 lvl chars, I feel like I am gonna quit..
2nd thing that bothers me is the bot issue, I see ppl make bot only for a single buff, its prepostorous..
Quote from: TheDeath on March 31, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
i dunno what classe did you choose but trust me if you find the right exp spot, u can level up pretty fast, lvl 40-61 is 1lvl/2buffround~. I had same thoughts at first but now it's completely different to me. obiously if you dont wanna be bored at 76+ levels you should get a CP and exp together. Ofc the hardest classes to level up are all the daggers/tank/pp/ol/wc/archer.. and i dunno how to help you in case you are playing one of them, else if you aren't, feel free to pm me for any help
in theory u can, thats not the point...look around, does the server look promising to you?
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 04:48:33 PM
Well if those guys went for a castle, they would take it.... but none seems to be... wanting.
it wouldn't be possible, because we don't have 2-side server. Now there is just 1-2 clan per side and backstab each other when possible.
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 04:57:24 PM
I regret to say I agree, with current rates, server is doomed. I have two 75 lvl chars, I feel like I am gonna quit..
that's because all ppl here want to rush/need lvl 80/top S in a week. just take it easy rofl...
i started as a tank and im 79, and i never felt like "omg it's too slow im gonna quit"
those who rush will be the first to quit.
2x old friends already left due to rates after doing retail quest and not feeling to grind up to 75 again :D
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
that's because all ppl here want to rush/need lvl 80/top S in a week. just take it easy rofl...
i started as a tank and im 79, and i never felt like "omg it's too slow im gonna quit"
those who rush will be the first to quit.
you can play with your own kind..in empty sieges.
the point of MMORPG is the team play and the long term game.
after 3 months ppl are in top S and nobles, that's very sad in my eyes
I would say that rates aren't that bad, of course rates 30->10 at the end would faster up lvling. Idon't have such 'wtf i must be 80 NOW', and i feel that many ppl don't rush so hard to get high level. These rushers will propably emoquit.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
Castles are meant to be taken with "an army". Im yet to see a PVP on this server that would exceed 100 people...
You'd have armies if the rates were higher...
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 05:20:13 PM
You'd have armies if the rates were higher...
Armies will grow when server get older. I'm quite bored with lvling too, that's why i focus on spoil and craft instead of getting lvl so fast. Lvling solo/duo with friend with c/b grade at 70+ isn't much fun, so i prefer to make first a grd set/wpn then go for 76 and S grade.
Im not saying it needs to be 30x. Hell, you could keep the current rates. BUT... add some friggin mobs that yield GOOD exp at 75+.
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Im not saying it needs to be 30x. Hell, you could keep the current rates. BUT... add some friggin mobs that yield GOOD exp at 75+.
There r such mobs -> cata/PI/MOS/FOG, and yes - they r doable solo/duo when u know basics about location, maybe PI is just a little bit harder.
First QQ topic about oly, now about rates ? o.O
Start making parties, if you are not able to exp alone...
Its MMORPG ffs
Quote from: Morel on March 31, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
First QQ topic about oly, now about rates ? o.O
Start making parties, if you are not able to exp alone...
Its MMORPG ffs
It's koreans style MMO with wtfpwnzor grind. This game is made to be bot-friendly, but with only real players it's quite slow.
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 05:22:47 PM
Armies will grow when server get older.
we'll see about that.
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 05:38:18 PM
we'll see about that.
No, it won't. A server is made or broken at launch IF the devs are not willing to give the players what they want.
Stop with the childish name calling, shit talking, etc & take my thread for what it is; criticism.
I am crying about nothing, its just too bad to see this server sucking wind.
The most hard thing for a human being,is change,change is something that noone is able to do.
Players cry and ask for changes gm's dont change nothing agaisnt their "CORE CONCEPT" LOL
So someone has to change,some players already changed server,etc..When its dead,they will see if next time they should listen or not to players...but there will be no next time.Interlude has at least 8 years and they asking you to play it like it was 8 years ago
Halla
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 04:57:24 PM
I regret to say I agree, with current rates, server is doomed. I have two 75 lvl chars, I feel like I am gonna quit..
2nd thing that bothers me is the bot issue, I see ppl make bot only for a single buff, its prepostorous..
You are doing something terribly wrong.
I play 6 hours a day now. And i suck at it. I procrastinate so much time. I spend like 2h of that by talking or just fingering my.... whatever. And in a month i was 79 including and buffpet was 74.
Then my ancient friends joined the server and i started playing more team-play which actually slows one down even more. Yet now I have two 80 lvl chars, retail exped as well.
I mean lvl 75? From 72 to 75 it took my destro on retail one day. With a single buffpet, so no fulbuff and I was not even training, cause I suck at destro, i was just farming 2 rooms in cata. Just two. That is sux exp compared to what my sps main with SE3 buffpet did on varka. How can you complain its hard on 75 its so easy. Once you get 79 its hard, still doable to. Stop complaining start playing.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
I spend like 2h of that by talking or just fingering my.... whatever. And in a month i was 79 including and buffpet was 74.
You are one dirty mommy you missy...
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
You are doing something terribly wrong.
I play 6 hours a day now. And i suck at it. I procrastinate so much time. I spend like 2h of that by talking or just fingering my.... whatever. And in a month i was 79 including and buffpet was 74.
Then my ancient friends joined the server and i started playing more team-play which actually slows one down even more. Yet now I have two 80 lvl chars, retail exped as well.
I mean lvl 75? From 72 to 75 it took my destro on retail one day. With a single buffpet, so no fulbuff and I was not even training, cause I suck at destro, i was just farming 2 rooms in cata. Just two. That is sux exp compared to what my sps main with SE3 buffpet did on varka. How can you complain its hard on 75 its so easy. Once you get 79 its hard, still doable to. Stop complaining start playing.
De and mage easiest class to lvl.
Go lvl th/archer/tank or supports and than we can talk.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
put exp to max 2x rate.
In solo you can easy do in few days 70 level with c grade equip, without focusing too much on exping.... If this is too Hard then... WTF...
said the guy who left at lvl 67.
Exp obviously isn't bad till 76. I'd say it's totally easy. If U get nuker + se or bd , archer + pp , any other fighter + wc it's going pretty well. Moreover it's such a bullsh1t that after 40 U are doing 1 level in sth around 40minutes. For HE (40) + PP (61) it took me 6-7min for level. Seriously guys, start using internet and NPC calcs for the highest quality of mobs. Certainly, Im talkin about solo expin, in stable CP made from guys with knowledge it would take much less. All what can I say is that , as I remember well, ppl wanted an old chronicled server similar to D-Net. All what we've got is old chronicle and stacksub system.
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
Exp obviously isn't bad till 76. I'd say it's totally easy. If U get nuker + se or bd , archer + pp , any other fighter + wc it's going pretty well. Moreover it's such a bullsh1t that after 40 U are doing 1 level in sth around 40minutes. For HE (40) + PP (61) it took me 6-7min for level. Seriously guys, start using internet and NPC calcs for the highest quality of mobs. Certainly, Im talkin about solo expin, in stable CP made from guys with knowledge it would take much less. All what can I say is that , as I remember well, ppl wanted an old chronicled server similar to D-Net. All what we've got is old chronicle and stacksub system.
Varka 78 4 chars in PT,0,01 per mob.Im not playing from 2 weeks,and its pathetic to play in this conditions,my whole guys quited and lot of ppl telling me the same.
This server was the best when drake was the man.
We all loved drake..
10k mobs to exp 1 lvl.
Afk
Quote from: Kabally on March 31, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
Varka 78 4 chars in PT,0,01 per mob.Im not playing from 2 weeks,and its pathetic to play in this conditions,my whole guys quited and lot of ppl telling me the same.
This server was the best when drake was the man.
We all loved drake..
10k mobs to exp 1 lvl.
Afk
Well. Varka isn't an exp area =D I mean even good exp area. On HS you can get much more (which isn't fine exp area as well). Obviously, when Drake was the man, there was much more fun. It would be the same now, but Me neither You can't do anything with it. Imho, Tarantula is a server for new MMO players, not old hands at L2 world. That's why ppl are leaving and that's why it will be "dead" soon (just my opinion). The saddest thing about Tarantula is that there is no way back. D-Net staff set it up and they will not make such a big changes (it means, it's next one server to merge :D )
WE WANT DRAKE AS THE MAN..
Drake come back as the man ! fuk kotenka's soldierz
Small intermission:
I notice people asking 5x or so...
I would remind you that exprate at lv80 is not 1x but 4.5x...
And in party that 4.5x becomes 5x (that is then splitted in the party group).
And we are talking about lv80.
At lv70 rates are noticeably higher (+50%) with a 6.41x (that is a 7x in party)
http://www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
End of intermission, you can go on with the discussion.
Drake, you guys aren't getting it... the rates would have been great 4-5 years ago. Do you guys bot realize how much bigger the population could be right now?
I suggest you make polls, let people vote on features. All that matters in a ten year old game is that the players are happy. Brand new games are realizing that, look at wildstar for example. I went to a private party with the game director and community manager, they invited 500 people and asked what they wanted to see in the game. The best part? THEY listened!
This is how you make a community happy, listen to them. Let them design the server for you. There are way too many games now that compete with L2 and come out on top because you dont have to mindlessly kill mobs for a month to play end game.
I will continue to play, because I love L2, but I wont be putting as much effort into it because of this entire discussion. I dont know if it will be worth investing so much time because of how many people have already left and all I see in every chat in game is complaining.
Manage a game as a community manager, not a dictator.
Drake, if U already posted in this topic, I've got questions. What's the point in being able to sub only with 3rd on 78? Can you explain it? Maybe Im just too dumb, but seriously cannot understand this :P
To be honest i don't give a shit to this lolfastwtfpwnzor exping. I prefer to grow up slowly, than exp like a no-lifer.
Then, before we start doing pools, can i have few more posts from you guys about:
"what would be your ideal rate ranges (still dynamic) from XX to YY?"
Right now is 30x to 4.5x
Would 30x to 7x be more appealing?
Or would be better higher start? or maybe higher end?
Maybe you would keep it like now until lv XXX and just keep the rate static (not dropping) after it or dropping but less than now?
Keep this as reference for your argumentations:
http://www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
discuss and write also a little argumentation about your numeric choices.
Please take note this would means EXP/SP rates and will not involve Drop/Spoil/Adena rate at all.
Well, i preffered old static dragon x15 rates, but here 20-10 would be good. Flat dynamic rate would be better, because ppl lvl too fast at beginning so they consider server a super high rate, but then later on it became a quite disappointing(70+).
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Then, before we start doing pools, can i have few more posts from you guys about:
"what would be your ideal rate ranges (still dynamic) from XX to YY?"
Right now is 30x to 4.5x
Would 30x to 7x be more appealing?
Or would be better higher start? or maybe higher end?
Maybe you would keep it like now until lv XXX and just keep the rate static (not dropping) after it or dropping but less than now?
Keep this as reference for your argumentations:
http://www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
discuss and write also a little argumentation about your numeric choices.
Please take note this would means EXP/SP rates and will not involve Drop/Spoil/Adena rate at all.
just to move one thing out of the way:
i noticed that you dont get less EXP from the same mobs as you level up until they turn blue (which is normal), but mobs of a higher level give same or even less exp than mobs of the lower level
is it just me or thats how the dynamic EXP works here? slowing down with the level of mobs, not the level of the player?
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2014, 07:49:25 PM
just to move one thing out of the way:
i noticed that you dont get less EXP from the same mobs as you level up until they turn blue (which is normal), but mobs of a higher level give same or even less exp than mobs of the lower level
is it just me or thats how the dynamic EXP works here? slowing down with the level of mobs, not the level of the player?
The level of mobs you can kill is dictated by your level and the exp given is dictated by the level of mob itself.
In fact, official servers have a dynamic rate too, is just not so obvious and we worked over it.
just close this stupid topic, cuz ppl with 2h gameplay/day
1. dont know what is going on the server.
2. never gonna join any serious event like epics or sieges.
3. doesnt matter for them what rate they play cuz compare to ppl who have time to play they stay allways 1shot niemands.
If you guys dont have time to play, go highrate or stop playing mmo.
PS: its not very funny, u already considering xp rate change cuz a guy who joined 2 days ago and 4-5 random nobody want it on forum.
Half year ago there was x25 interlude stacksub server, and guess what? It died after 2 months because ppl with max lvl was logging in, made few circles around giran and logged off.
Quote from: ZeniT on March 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
just close this stupid topic, cuz ppl with 2h gameplay/day
1. dont know what is going on the server.
2. never gonna join any serious event like epics or sieges.
3. doesnt matter for them what rate they play cuz compare to ppl who have time to play they stay allways 1shot niemands.
If you guys dont have time to play, go highrate or stop playing mmo.
So, following ur way of thinkin' , MMOs ( which imo are GAMES, not JOBS ) are only for people who has got a lot of time? Not for people who wants to relax, sit in front of their PC, click a bit and getting joy from it? Stop taking "online staff" so serious, just small advice.
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 08:21:25 PM
So, following ur way of thinkin' , MMOs ( which imo are GAMES, not JOBS ) are only for people who has got a lot of time? Not for people who wants to relax, sit in front of their PC, click a bit and getting joy from it? Stop taking "online staff" so serious, just small advice.
Change game .
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 08:21:25 PM
So, following ur way of thinkin' , MMOs ( which imo are GAMES, not JOBS ) are only for people who has got a lot of time? Not for people who wants to relax, sit in front of their PC, click a bit and getting joy from it? Stop taking "online staff" so serious, just small advice.
if u just relax 2h front of pc pls dont want to tell us what rate would be fine.
just relax, farm 2h and shut the fvck up.
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 08:21:25 PM
So, following ur way of thinkin' , MMOs ( which imo are GAMES, not JOBS ) are only for people who has got a lot of time? Not for people who wants to relax, sit in front of their PC, click a bit and getting joy from it? Stop taking "online staff" so serious, just small advice.
relax ingame that 2 hour, u already spent more time on forum spamming craps
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
You are doing something terribly wrong.
I play 6 hours a day now. And i suck at it. I procrastinate so much time. I spend like 2h of that by talking or just fingering my.... whatever. And in a month i was 79 including and buffpet was 74.
Then my ancient friends joined the server and i started playing more team-play which actually slows one down even more. Yet now I have two 80 lvl chars, retail exped as well.
I mean lvl 75? From 72 to 75 it took my destro on retail one day. With a single buffpet, so no fulbuff and I was not even training, cause I suck at destro, i was just farming 2 rooms in cata. Just two. That is sux exp compared to what my sps main with SE3 buffpet did on varka. How can you complain its hard on 75 its so easy. Once you get 79 its hard, still doable to. Stop complaining start playing.
I didn't say I played right from the start, I had a 1 month break due to my sickness, exams etc. besides, I also have a 70 lvl spoiler..
anyway, why do u jjump to conclusions? why are u explaining things? If I was to find technical info about l2 gameplay, I know where to look for, don't waste your breath..
and there is a difference between complaining and stating your opinion. if anything, you are the one complaining at my post, stop complaining and start playing....right?
thing is that, if it was a server with more cooperative gameplay and more quality crowds, I would't have second thoughts about leaving..and remember, I am not the one started this post..
Quote from: ZeniT on March 31, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
if u just relax 2h front of pc pls dont want to tell us what rate would be fine.
just relax, farm 2h and shut the fvck up.
Well. I dont remember if I wrote anything bad about rates. :> God dammit, boy. I think somebody should call ur parents to cut ur Inet off. Ur posts in this topic ( I mean last two, I didn't read others ) reflects that U are sth around 14-15, with some english dictionary which let you communicate but still without any valid arguments which will confirm ur words. I guess it's the end of the our conversation
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
Drake, if U already posted in this topic, I've got questions. What's the point in being able to sub only with 3rd on 78? Can you explain it? Maybe Im just too dumb, but seriously cannot understand this :P
I also think its stupid
dnet sub should be available at lvl 40, ppl should be able level their retails with dn sub buffs etc.
only this way, u can fight against botting
much ppl have left this sub-stack server, before they could subclass their chars...
one have to open 4 bot window to play fullbuffed and reach 78-79 lvl to sub..
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 08:44:15 PM
I also think its stupid
dnet sub should be available at lvl 40, ppl should be able level their retails with dn sub buffs etc.
only this way, u can fight against botting
much ppl have left this sub-stack server, before they could subclass their chars...
one have to open 4 bot window to play fullbuffed and reach 78-79 lvl to sub..
To be clear, I didn't say it's stupid, I said that I just dont understand it :P
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
To be clear, I didn't say it's stupid, I said that I just dont understand it :P
c'mon, deep down inside, we know its stupid : ))
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
So if you do that,we would call you Old Drake the legeNdary !
davai me rate davai!
Quote from: Kabally on March 31, 2014, 09:00:53 PM
So if you do that,we would call you Old Drake the legeNdary !
davai me rate davai!
Is this positive or negative? :D
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
After 70+ adenadrop from mobs isn't so important, everything is based on spoil (mats etc.) so adena's curve doesn't touch players at all. The XP rate is doubled on ur example curve, it would boost lvlin up so much I guess. We're just simple players, if U would be so kind, tell us the drawbacks ( from ur point of view) of such a graph.
PS. Most of GMs were tellin us that quests will be worth to do and I must say: They aren't. So here is the question. Are U going to improve it somehow? Certainly Im not talkin about Varkas , IT , FoG , ToI quests :>
I would start from x20 to x10 at end. Flat curve for exp/sp/spoil/adena etc is less "shock" for players.
Now changing everything while my friends already left and they did topics like 3 weeks ago that xp and sp rates are very low on 70+? srsly?
personally speaking, I would like to see a decrease in the level-requirement for subclassing..
I am convinced that this would prevent botting, enhance cooperative-gameplaying..ppl would feel encouraged to keep going on...it might deliver what curve system cannot.
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on March 31, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
Now changing everything while my friends already left and they did topics like 3 weeks ago that xp and sp rates are very low on 70+? srsly?
They can still go back, or they just sold their chars for $$?
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
personally speaking, I would like to see a decrease in the level-requirement for subclassing..
I am convinced that this would prevent botting, enhance cooperative-gameplaying
+1
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on March 31, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
Now changing everything while my friends already left and they did topics like 3 weeks ago that xp and sp rates are very low on 70+? srsly?
There are no changes actually. Just a discussion
so many ppl left lol
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
Do it !
I have quest horn since 1month and didn't sub yet , cuz i can't exp till 79 50% ... No time to grind ...
I'm getting 0.02% per mob at 77lvl, i just loose the feeling to log on when i think about it ...
I had like 10friends in the begining of the server to play with,they quit cuz we just have like 2hrs per day on weekdays to play.
Now is just me and sometimes kabally when his not drunk or stoned or both.
I got almost top gear to pvp and no level to do it ... It's sad :(
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
Y that graph you posted drake is stable and good :P
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 09:04:14 PM
Is this positive or negative? :D
This really positive,this is SS2,this is Coca Cola,this is me closing league of legends and logging to exp,when you holla at us telling its on.
See?Everyone now is happy,in teamspeak they wont say anymore,oh shit exp...now just allow enhanced mana<3 <3 <3 jk but i wished
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 09:14:50 PM
They can still go back, or they just sold their chars for $$?
sure they wont when they saw this Imba newbies in olympiad and imba noobs on PVP No challenge at all )
Quote from: Kabally on March 31, 2014, 09:21:47 PM
This really positive,this is SS2,this is Coca Cola,this is me closing league of legends and logging to exp,when you holla at us telling its on.
See?Everyone now is happy,in teamspeak they wont say anymore,oh shit exp...now just allow enhanced mana<3 <3 <3 jk but i wished
That Sh1t Cray!
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
Make it active :P Like in old days in Drake we trust! ;D
Stop with the flaming and shit talking and get on track. Even if YOU do not care if its low rate you need to consider the MASSES. get off if your pedestals and think common sense. How do we bring more players to the server? We make the game faster!
Drake, your second graph if good. And yes, bring back the old you!
I have said it 5x, I will still play the way it is for the love of the dnet setup, but the majority will not. stop thinking this is about ME, i am looking at the issue objectively, and want what all of you do; more players!
Fix the curve, even 10x at cap is "better" but my personal opinion would be 15-20x. People just dont have the time they did (yes, im talking about the old-school players, in all honesty they are the ones that matter)
Another thing to consider is the gear that retail gives you, maybe something like the path to awakening? Cut it off after A grade and make people farm their end game gear!
I can keep going and will probably do so but the flaming needs to stop. Lets have a serious discussion and BRING PEOPLE to Dragon net. I successfully ran a stack sub server for a year and have a good amount of experience in formin communities.
Drake, thank you for taking this seriously.
Quote from: guerra on March 31, 2014, 09:19:10 PM
Now is just me and sometimes kabally when his not drunk or stoned or both.
ok, you won.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
n.1. complain about rates. k, so 20 ppl complaining to you about rates. and? ofc everyone else will not send you pms like this: "xp rate is ok" U get pm only from ppl, who have problem.
any ratechange will instant kill this server
Imo x15 and subclass at 76.
Quote from: Skarbonka on March 31, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
Imo x15 and subclass at 76.
100x and gmshop too plis. ridiculous
Quote from: teqi on March 31, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
100x and gmshop too plis. ridiculous
So old Dragon x 15 was ridiculous as well? :>
BRING THE RAIN!
Make this server like old good DRAGON with all it's features. Just without corrupted and retarded gm's, donated weapons, DNET sets and donny with boss jewels, free of duped adena and all other sh1ts. I wouldn't even to ban botters so hard, while every1 can have bot too. Best pvps was in the fog where each bot party was killing another one for spot and sometimes there was even mass pvps to protect their bots :). Even retail was full-of-bots from beginning, because this game was made to be bot-friendly.
if u want to do something with server, pls do something with lags on mas pvp, about delay with everything like trade,
fix sumons why sumons cant port on oly, why u cant trade someone with sumon....
why u cant invite someone flagget in pt, why u cant trade someone when flaget...
Rates are fine, maybe even too big
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
that would be awesome.
I am repeating myself,
Consider decreasing level requirement for dn subs, (such as lvl 65-70, though I prefer 40). Many left before getting subclassed in a sub-stack server, which is absurd..
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 09:34:18 PM
So old Dragon x 15 was ridiculous as well? :>
THIS IS Tarantula, new server and WE PPL JOINED CAUSE it was started as it's announced.. if I wanted to join higher rates I DONT JOIN this .. if I don't like the features I doN't join this .. simple as that
GO PMFUN and search your server which suits you. Now here we go again, few ppl will complain about other features too? and we get it changed? yes ridiculous
for instance WE exped hard our overlords to get foi, mages to get bubble .. to get advantage in pvp and now some pvp high rate master with 2 hour wanna screw us with high rates F vck off all, totally bullsh1t and unfair gtfo
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
I am repeating myself,
Consider decreasing level requirement for dn subs, (such as lvl 65-70, though I prefer 40). Many left before getting subclassed in a sub-stack server, which is absurd..
+1 or at least change spawn of Golky
Quote from: teqi on March 31, 2014, 09:41:33 PM
THIS IS Tarantula, new server and WE PPL JOINED CAUSE it was started as it's announced.. if I wanted to join higher rates I DONT JOIN this .. if I don't like the features I doN't join this .. simple as that
GO PMFUN and search your server which suits you. Now here we go again, few ppl will complain about other features too? and we get it changed? yes ridiculous
for instance WE exped hard our overlords to get foi, mages to get bubble .. to get advantage in pvp and now some pvp high rate master with 2 hour wanna screw us with high rates F vck off all, totally bullsh1t and unfair gtfo
Maybe Im wrong but tarantula was created mostly because of perma spam about "MAKE OLD D-NET SERVER, NOT THAT SH1TTY NEW CHRONICLES, BLAB LA BLA , RONALDO IS G@Y , MESSI IS G@Y AS WELL BUT I LOVE BARCA AND REAL , TRADE LEBRON TO NEWCASTLE " etc etc. just sh1tstorm attacked some years ago and staff decided to give it a chance. But as I said, I may be wrong.
Quote from: Skarbonka on March 31, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
Imo x15 and subclass at 76.
OMG are u retard? or just go back to ur cave and never come back.
If u dont have dualbox buffer i belive its sux for lvling, but after u got a simple pp/wc/ol/bd or friend/cp/clan/ally i bet u shouldnt have problem with xp/sp/gearing.
if gms would change xp rates higher, that means more nonfactor reaching lvl80, and still being nonfactor like before. What is endgame here? after one month some partys already reached endgame items and characters, pve carebear clans just farming or donating cus they dont have balls or time for pvp...
is this game better with lvl80 characters or that 2lvl is it so far from rest of nonfactors?
"im xping in varka with my friends 30-50k xp per mob, never ever watching xp bar, and already almost reach 80, with this rate." if u need xp just make it like before dualbox powa, or go to PI with party...
let it be like from the beginning..
p.s.
xp rates doesnt mean you get earlier end game items, just make you higher noob.
If you really want to touch the rates..IMO:
- Keep 76+ as it is atm, until then feel free to make the lowbies happy
- Change the level requirement for sub to 76
This way people can easily get their level needed for sub and yet they have to work a bit more (which will be much more easier with a subbed char)
Don't change not even a hair on XP dynamic rate. It's almost perfect as it is atm, don't fck it cause QQers who can't get organized can't get lvl here. This is suposed to be a long term server, not a x5000 server where you solo your way.
Dont do it 30x~10x...
Jesus freaking christ.
Change it before is too late!
start lvl 80 auto learn skill gm shop pls
Quote from: PetyaHUN on March 31, 2014, 10:07:18 PM
start lvl 80 auto learn skill gm shop pls
and an npc buffer with 1 h buffs
The childish comments help nothing. This is the worst part of L2, noone can voice an opinion without being attacked. Back on topic please.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 10:18:40 PM
this happens when the hopinion is a totally retarded bullshit.
Wanting a Happy player base, populated server and big sieges is bullshit? Sorry you feel that way.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
So i dont get it, the issues are the rates or not?
Because the n.1 complain all GMs are getting by PMs is the server rates.
We have this at the moment:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates.htm
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
NOTE: this curve is not active on server or "going to be" active. Is just easier for me to show you guys a graph than writing random numbers in forum.
Please go on with the discussion as our player's feedback is quite important (even if many thinks the opposite)
Drake you do that and my entire clan (and vast majority of people I know overall) will leave the server instantly and never ever have anything together with any project of yours or donate for it or whatever.
This would be a giant slap to the face for the people that worked hard for their stuff until now, a betray against own community, just cause few idiots cried. Make them some high rate if you want to please them. Do not ruin our server.
Instead of this bullshit topic, react on mine where where 90% of people that reacted on my initial post agreed with me, and no admin yet "dared" to get clear answer there and you answer this cryout here. Solve the real problems people have.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,282417.0.html
Im attempting to address the issue of a dying server. What are you doing? Stop argueing and post a reasonable idea.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
Drake you do that and my entire clan (and vast majority of people I know overall) will leave the server instantly and never ever have anything together with any project of yours or donate for it or whatever.
This would be a giant slap to the face for the people that worked hard for their stuff until now, a betray against own community, just cause few idiots cried. Make them some high rate if you want to please them. Do not ruin our server.
Instead of this bullshit topic, react on mine where where 90% of people that reacted on my initial post agreed with me, and no admin yet "dared" to get clear answer there and you answer this cryout here. Solve the real problems people have.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,282417.0.html
well what to say, just Good Bye to you and your clan
Jesus...
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He said feedback is importnat, so i rather let them know, cause only the unhappy bitchers cry here, and others i know play ATM and are fine, not going to spam and cry on forum, even I waste time here but I have to do it for all of us.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
He said feedback is importnat, so i rather let them know, cause only the unhappy bitchers cry here, and others i know play ATM and are fine, not going to spam and cry on forum, even I waste time here but I have to do it for all of us.
Obviously u r speaking like old x5 infinity player. If u want to bring new players here the server rate must be flat, because they r lvling fast on <60lvl and then suddenly lvl became harder and harder with more players on spot. This is a old game, made as korean-style mmo where 3rd party software was allowed by retail server admins. 'New' player who join here is usually alone or with 2-3 friends, so before he can join a good clan he need good items and lvl+sub propably, so if he can't access that because of low rate at the end of lvling he just leave after a 4-5 days.
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Obviously u r speaking like old x5 infinity player. If u want to bring new players here the server rate must be flat, because they r lvling fast on <60lvl and then suddenly lvl became harder and harder with more players on spot. This is a old game, made as korean-style mmo where 3rd party software was allowed by retail server admins. 'New' player who join here is usually alone or with 2-3 friends, so before he can join a good clan he need good items and lvl+sub propably, so if he can't access that because of low rate at the end of lvling he just leave after a 4-5 days.
Very well said, +1
i'm from dragon (old c3-c4 times) and for me rates are fine like this. maybe only spoil but whatever
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 10:39:12 PM
i'm from dragon (old c3-c4 times) and for me rates are fine like this. maybe only spoil but whatever
rates are fine for some people who got time, like me and others, but some ppl spam here cause they think is low and slow, I do not want to play on server with 50 no lifers only
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 10:39:12 PM
i'm from dragon (old c3-c4 times) and for me rates are fine like this. maybe only spoil but whatever
Well, this is you. I'm quite fine with these rates too, but players that didn't play there and don't know any1 here just after these high rates at beginning lose their motivation because they can't join top clans which recruit certain classes with subs, and other small clans doesn't grup themselves in zerg to withstand them.
I also strugled to level up. Meet people in game. Stop trying to make stuff with 2~3 ppl. Get a Clan / CP and do stuff TOGETHER. This is how MMO's are suposed to be played. Not to Solo exp all the time. IF rates get higher do you really think ppl will do main supports? No. They will be box chars cuz it's easy to level. Also L2 is one of the only games that you can buy all gear from players. Think twice when you're lvl 60s/70s with C/B grade.
Do you think people on 3x server love to exp? No. They gather and do it together so it's less boring and probably can go to better places with more exp.
If you're not motivated then you only have 1 way to go, exit.
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
I also strugled to level up. Meet people in game. Stop trying to make stuff with 2~3 ppl. Get a Clan / CP and do stuff TOGETHER. This is how MMO's are suposed to be played. Not to Solo exp all the time. IF rates get higher do you really think ppl will do main supports? No. They will be box chars cuz it's easy to level. Also L2 is one of the only games that you can buy all gear from players. Think twice when you're lvl 60s/70s with C/B grade.
Do you think people on 3x server love to exp? No. They gather and do it together so it's less boring and probably can go to better places with more exp.
If you're not motivated then you only have 1 way to go, exit.
Ask top clans if they play in CP all the time, especially when they exp. This game was made from beginning to be a bot-game. In old days everybody was exp on trains in fog/mos made by destro and all was fine. In these times on dragon were more players than here on tarantula, giran, aden, oren and any other city was filled by shops! Not offline shops, but active/bot shops with open client behind them(or oogl2w).
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
He said feedback is importnat, so i rather let them know, cause only the unhappy bitchers cry here, and others i know play ATM and are fine, not going to spam and cry on forum, even I waste time here but I have to do it for all of us.
Both positive and negative feedbacks are welcome, dont worry!
The reason i posted that graph, beside for me being easier to explain it, is to have replies also from who is against (like you!)
Quote from: Mala Przyjemnosc on March 31, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
Drake, if U already posted in this topic, I've got questions. What's the point in being able to sub only with 3rd on 78? Can you explain it? Maybe Im just too dumb, but seriously cannot understand this :P
simple: the point of it is to make you buy premium horn at donny ;)
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
I also strugled to level up. Meet people in game. Stop trying to make stuff with 2~3 ppl. Get a Clan / CP and do stuff TOGETHER. This is how MMO's are suposed to be played. Not to Solo exp all the time. IF rates get higher do you really think ppl will do main supports? No. They will be box chars cuz it's easy to level.
ppl here rather solo+dualbox, as the party xp is quite bad.
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
I also strugled to level up. Meet people in game. Stop trying to make stuff with 2~3 ppl. Get a Clan / CP and do stuff TOGETHER. This is how MMO's are suposed to be played. Not to Solo exp all the time. IF rates get higher do you really think ppl will do main supports? No. They will be box chars cuz it's easy to level. Also L2 is one of the only games that you can buy all gear from players. Think twice when you're lvl 60s/70s with C/B grade.
Do you think people on 3x server love to exp? No. They gather and do it together so it's less boring and probably can go to better places with more exp.
If you're not motivated then you only have 1 way to go, exit.
amen.
Quote from: remeron on March 31, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Many left before getting subclassed in a sub-stack server, which is absurd..
this
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
This would be a giant slap to the face for the people that worked hard for their stuff until now, a betray against own community, just cause few idiots cried. Make them some high rate if you want to please them. Do not ruin our server.
have to aggree with you philosophyguy, facts and well said.
Quote from: teqi on March 31, 2014, 11:30:33 PM
have to aggree with you philosophyguy, facts and well said.
Then go on, after next 6 months you will play with 500 players community, and after year there will be ~200 people.
Quote from: unhandledexeption on March 31, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
simple: the point of it is to make you buy premium horn at donny ;)
So, i wanna put more meat on the discussion:
What if we would not touch rates but change the subclass to be at lv76 instead of lv78?Discuss! (negatively and positively)
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 11:36:18 PM
So, i wanna put more meat on the discussion:
What if we would not touch rates but change the subclass to be at lv76 instead of lv78?
Discuss! (negatively and positively)
that would have been the best since beginning.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 11:36:18 PM
So, i wanna put more meat on the discussion:
What if we would not touch rates but change the subclass to be at lv76 instead of lv78?
Discuss! (negatively and positively)
I have nothing against this. Can change this, but not the rates pls...
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Better 200 LIONS than 2000 Sheeps.
But in the end lions will eat eachother and server will die.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
Respawn :D
Well i played on quite lot servers recently, and all of them r closed because of lack of new players. Only solution is to make server attractive to new players, but not boring to 'old crew'.
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Ask top clans if they play in CP all the time, especially when they exp. This game was made from beginning to be a bot-game. In old days everybody was exp on trains in fog/mos made by destro and all was fine. In these times on dragon were more players than here on tarantula, giran, aden, oren and any other city was filled by shops! Not offline shops, but active/bot shops with open client behind them(or oogl2w).
95% of my time i play with my CP. Actually im from FC. Im CO-Leader from my CP, if im not on or my CP leader, we dont do shit as a CP. You dont have to be 100% of the time with ur CP but it helps alot. We gather mostly to stuff that's not done with 2 or 3 ppl Ex.: S grade Key Spoil. And we also do FOG partys for EXP with Destro or Mage Party. Dunno what changed at all from the Old L2 ur talking about...
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:45:04 PM
But in the end lions will eat eachother and server will die.
what do you expect?? nomad and weakling players in l2 nowdays, emo - ragequitters, real money greedy eurosellers playing only to get some dollah. see around and you will not see any "oldschool back-in-time community". Clan system turned into cp systems, facts are facts sad but 2 hour "relaxing" gameplay players do not want to compare themselfs to players playing much more and force administration to asap change features just for their own goodies and for the few qq'ers.
your frand join for 2 days and complain server rates are sux, we are more ppl here since server start day 1# and it would be unfair to us who spent more time grinding getting advantage in further.
Lineage 2 will not be attractive for new players, there are 5465636 new MMORPGs. Ppl are trying new games, not 10 yers old one. Problems is with superb new servzorz with ultimate features starting, closed few weeks later, again and again...
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
95% of my time i play with my CP. Actually im from FC. Im CO-Leader from my CP, if im not on or my CP leader, we dont do shit as a CP. You dont have to be 100% of the time with ur CP but it helps alot. We gather mostly to stuff that's not done with 2 or 3 ppl Ex.: S grade Key Spoil. And we also do FOG partys for EXP with Destro or Mage Party. Dunno what changed at all from the Old L2 ur talking about...
For me this CP thing just kill clan-based gameplay. In old times there wasn't such thing and when pvp started every1 go with clan support, now it's usually "i can't go, because support from my cp is offline".
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:52:58 PM
For me this CP thing just kill clan-based gameplay. In old times there wasn't such thing and when pvp started every1 go with clan support, now it's usually "i can't go, because support from my cp is offline".
We still arrange partys... It's not like it's a strict rule to not party with other clan members..
Quote from: teqi on March 31, 2014, 11:51:57 PM
what do you expect?? nomad and weakling players in l2 nowdays, emo - ragequitters, real money greedy eurosellers playing only to get some dollah. see around and you will not see any "oldschool back-in-time community". Clan system turned into cp systems, facts are facts sad but 2 hour "relaxing" gameplay players do not want to compare themselfs to players playing much more and force administration to asap change features just for their own goodies and for the few qq'ers.
your frand join for 2 days and complain server rates are sux, we are more ppl here since server start day 1# and it would be unfair to us who spent more time grinding getting advantage in further.
I'm playing since 1st day, and he's not my friend. I'm playing duo with my friend, getting slowly equpment and exp(we are now 69 and 70lvls, because we focus first on equipment then on exp). I will say once more - this game is designed to be full of bots, but with only real players behind exp/gear for 'newbies' here will be pain in the ass when 3-4 clans r dominating and others are just a background for their actions. Nowday people are bored after a month of playing when they don't find interesting things like pvp or sieges, because every1 want to pvp in highest grade of equipment on high lvls.
Before filtering this topic from bs to reality, i would like to keep you informed about few things which i'm extremely annoyed from:
- Server is not dead (2000+ on average)
- Just because few players left doesn't mean server died, players join and leave everyday
- Stop speaking about death and other familiar things, if you dislike concept you can always join Dragon
- If you are a player still, help us straighten and correct the weaknesses, flaming cursing and trolling wont help any of sides.
- We took the course , its not fair to change it toward players who joined because of that reason. In the end they joined here because of THAT , else they could pick other x99999 servers around
- I cant force players to pvp, if you are fine watching others having everything while plenty of other clans have EGO issues to unite , im more then ok too.
P.S In the end there are plenty of players who will exp your char for some adena/coin!
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
Then go on, after next 6 months you will play with 500 players community, and after year there will be ~200 people.
+1
thats what we try to avoid
I respect ppl's hard-earned items and time they devoted
however all mean nothing in an empty server...
I appreciate the gameplay considerations but I would love if the topic would return back to the discussion of rates and/or lv76 subclass quest!
(at least to sort this discussion out)
about content not appealing, we can see it as next element once this (easy) one is sorted out.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 31, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Better 200 LIONS than 2000 Sheeps.
you are the sheep lion right? once someone mentioned that u r only forum talker and still lvl 61 so leave the topic thanks
Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 12:01:33 AM
I appreciate the gameplay considerations but I would love if the topic would return back to the discussion of rates and/or lv76 subclass quest!
(at least to sort this discussion out)
about content not appealing, we can see it as next element once this (easy) one is sorted out.
Exp rates fine ... otherwise Low lvl pvp would not be fun ^^ ... subclass at 76 but without loosing any EXP when done that way is just golden and like in old times maybe make it without 3rd class .. but who cares It's fine as it is for me
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 31, 2014, 11:59:48 PM
Before filtering this topic from bs to reality, i would like to keep you informed about few things which i'm extremely annoyed from:
- Server is not dead (2000+ on average)
- Just because few players left doesn't mean server died, players join and leave everyday
- Stop speaking about death and other familiar things, if you dislike concept you can always join Dragon
- If you are a player still, help us straighten and correct the weaknesses, flaming cursing and trolling wont help any of sides.
- We took the course , its not fair to change it toward players who joined because of that reason. In the end they joined here because of THAT , else they could pick other x99999 servers around
- I cant force players to pvp, if you are fine watching others having everything while plenty of other clans have EGO issues to unite , im more then ok too.
My real-life friend made few years ago research about mmo gamers psychology and i just want to avoid slowsly dying of this server.
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:04:42 AM
My real-life friend made few years ago research about mmo gamers psychology and i just want to avoid slowsly dying of this server.
Topics like this and words like this ARE the psychology, since most of people just read badly conotated words even they are far from the truth. Same goes with words "corruption" in l2 world. So we admins are not enough, we need positive players to keep server alive and running , since there are a lot people who wish to see death of DN and just opening accounts and trolling around...
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 12:07:34 AM
Topics like this and words like this ARE the psychology, since most of people just read badly conotated words even they are far from the truth. Same goes with words "corruption" in l2 world. So we admins are not enough, we need positive players to keep server alive and running , since there are a lot people who wish to see death of DN and just opening accounts and trolling around...
IF i would want to help this server dying i won't join this community after i left few years ago from dragon. I want to play on stable, highly populated server with much fun. Most of players nowdays want to have everything NOW, and old community grow up and don't have so much time as they had earlier.
+1 Track
This is so true. Sometimes it's worse to come and read the forums, it's also full of QQuiters.
Quote from: Clonage on April 01, 2014, 12:12:30 AM
+1 Track
This is so true. Sometimes it's worse to come and read the forums, it's also full of QQuiters.
Behind every winner is always a pack of haters.
I have a break from active Dragon like half year & when i joined back i noticed that people here dont really know how to play in team or create one. (Not talking about big clans). The main problem is that all want to play as end-game-mode, and i cant blame no1 for that bcoz i have same feeling.But what people need is to start making this small teams in order to get some stuff togeather.
All this chronicals are based on quests of killing XX mobs in YY location in order to get : rec's, manor, enchants and rest. & as second step - boss farming.
For example on GOD NCsoft improve the possibility of making this small teams by creating peace-farming aka inctances+ ALL commonity from 1 to 99 are using party matching. On our current chronical is abit harder but still you need same- group of people to make things to work.
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 01, 2014, 12:03:30 AM
you are the sheep lion right? once someone mentioned that u r only forum talker and still lvl 61 so leave the topic thanks
ignore him, he's just a troll.
Quote from: N!k on April 01, 2014, 12:16:04 AM
I have a break from active Dragon like half year & when i joined back i noticed that people here dont really know how to play in team or create one. (Not talking about big clans). The main problem is that all want to play as end-game-mode, and i cant blame no1 for that bcoz i have same feeling.But what people need is to start making this small teams in order to get some stuff togeather.
All this chronicals are based on quests of killing XX mobs in YY location in order to get : rec's, manor, enchants and rest. & as second step - boss farming.
Even we fight a lot, a lot of old players should take your party as a role model how to play on this server! I know you dont care, but you got huge respect from me for what i saw so far and big +99 for your partys and clan.
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:16:01 AM
Behind every winner is always a pack of haters.
?? o_O
Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 12:01:33 AM
I appreciate the gameplay considerations but I would love if the topic would return back to the discussion of rates and/or lv76 subclass quest!
(at least to sort this discussion out)
about content not appealing, we can see it as next element once this (easy) one is sorted out.
I say, pull back the subclass level requirement even lower to 60-70, let the newcomers get subbed as early as possible, we will see less bot parties this way. You know, exp with subbed char is faster, makes it easier for those who demand higher rates.
Quote from: Clonage on April 01, 2014, 12:25:07 AM
?? o_O
Like Track said, there is a lot ppl that want this server die, but after 10 years it's still alive and i hope it will be for at least 4-5 years more :)
Edit: Make sub req 76lvl, 3rd class with old xp drop (76->40, 78->76, etc)
lowering subclass level requirements is the best possible move so far to make the game more friendly without harming those who have already invested some time into it
Quote from: remeron on April 01, 2014, 12:27:01 AM
I say, pull back the subclass level requirement even lower to 60-70, let the newcomers get subbed as early as possible, we will see less bot parties this way. You know, exp with subbed char is faster, makes it easier for those who demand higher rates.
wrong. 90% of bots are spoilers.
Quote from: Alex on April 01, 2014, 12:32:22 AM
lowering subclass level requirements is the best possible move so far to make the game more friendly without harming those who have already invested some time into it
thank you ! very well put !
Ok, lets POLL it then. :)
Quote from: Garn. on April 01, 2014, 12:34:37 AM
wrong. 90% of bots are spoilers.
I dont even know how to respond to that...
It took some time to go through so freaking many pages 90% filled with pointless flames,like there is some race called "who got bigger stronger balls here flaming the other one no matters what" ,but after many attempts i succeeded to get what is this all about.
Damn slow xp coz of low rates.
First of all i want to point that i am the owner of few high lvl chars,my main is sort of complete, fully geared ,so dont even dare to put any of ur fingers on me.Coz no,im not "qq'ing" to get any advantage or benefits so i could finally "finish my chars".
All i know is that we started as a full clan,i even got hard times coz of not enough spots for all the old pals who started to play here from the very first moment of server,but nowadays from our crowd only max 5 players keep playing,some of them logging time to time only to check how things are...
We became so damn bored so even if we had a 4-5 players clan,we wared every clan we saw around, so we started to check on for ppl we could pvp with. Was me and my mate,a bp,both noble. Each of us logged a support and happily started to hunt on all freaking possible spots where normally we should find ppl working on their chars.Was an easy thing to do coz of easy portings due to our nobless.Guess what: all those spots were almost empty..,rarely we could find 1-2 players wanking there. Damn freaking hard to understand why spots like HS,FOG,IT,Varka,700 mobs spots and so on were empty. But well,sadly, it might be coz what happened to our clan,prolly happened to others as well. This explains the lack of activity on the most used for improving chars spots.
Yesterday i was checking on sieges. Schuttgart,Giran,Rune...no1 attacked...Dont come here with "guards hit hard" coz this is only schuttgart's case,knowing this castle is still owned by npcs. Others not. Im wondering how is possible sieges to be boring on a 3 months old server?? Did u ever think it might be coz , except those "big" 3 sides on server (FC/cruel,exci/encalve,FW/sindy) ,rest of players didnt succeed to finish their chars?? Or r too afraid to lose their xp by being killed? All this leads us again to xp rates,slow lvling stuff...
Dont come to tell me it doesnt matter..Doing a simple math,ppl not playing with any of those 3 big sides i mentioned, should be ~1500 players,coz i doubt those 3 big sides count more than 500 players all together xd
Drake himself said the main issue ppl complained about was low rates,slow xp. Now leave away ur hate or stuborness and ask urself if its possible those low rates might bring boredom which,sadly,lead ppl sooner or later to quit.
All i can say i noticed is that ppl who claim they "love" the rates are mostly ppl who got complete high lvl chars.
Also don't ignore the fact that lot of ppl who go through hard times xping,might be afraid to come and complain about coz of our forum trolls wannabe or those 23894756348976 l2 guru we got.
Now feel free to flame me,hate me,throw rocks on me,i couldnt care less.
This is how i see things,this is my oppinion,agree with it or not.
Cheers
P.S. I am sorry for sh1tty english,i know my post is chaotical,but i hope u got my point. tx :P
Quote from: Vandana on April 01, 2014, 12:48:52 AM
It took some time to go through so freaking many pages 90% filled with pointless flames,like there is some race called "who got bigger stronger balls here flaming the other one no matters what" ,but after many attempts i succeeded to get what is this all about.
Damn slow xp coz of low rates.
First of all i want to point that i am the owner of few high lvl chars,my main is sort of complete, fully geared ,so dont even dare to put any of ur fingers on me.Coz no,im not "qq'ing" to get any advantage or benefits so i could finally "finish my chars".
All i know is that we started as a full clan,i even got hard times coz of not enough spots for all the old pals who started to play here from the very first moment of server,but nowadays from our crowd only max 5 players keep playing,some of them logging time to time only to check how things are...
We became so damn bored so even if we had a 4-5 players clan,we wared every clan we saw around, so we started to check on for ppl we could pvp with. Was me and my mate,a bp,both noble. Each of us logged a support and happily started to hunt on all freaking possible spots where normally we should find ppl working on their chars.Was an easy thing to do coz of easy portings due to our nobless.Guess what: all those spots were almost empty..,rarely we could find 1-2 players wanking there. Damn freaking hard to understand why spots like HS,FOG,IT,Varka,700 mobs spots and so on were empty. But well,sadly, it might be coz what happened to our clan,prolly happened to others as well. This explains the lack of activity on the most used for improving chars spots.
Yesterday i was checking on sieges. Schuttgart,Giran,Rune...no1 attacked...Dont come here with "guards hit hard" coz this is only schuttgart's case,knowing this castle is still owned by npcs. Others not. Im wondering how is possible sieges to be boring on a 3 months old server?? Did u ever think it might be coz , except those "big" 3 sides on server (FC/cruel,exci/encalve,FW/sindy) ,rest of players didnt succeed to finish their chars?? Or r too afraid to lose their xp by being killed? All this leads us again to xp rates,slow lvling stuff...
Dont come to tell me it doesnt matter..Doing a simple math,ppl not playing with any of those 3 big sides i mentioned, should be ~1500 players,coz i doubt those 3 big sides count more than 500 players all together xd
Drake himself said the main issue ppl complained about was low rates,slow xp. Now leave away ur hate or stuborness and ask urself if its possible those low rates might bring boredom which,sadly,lead ppl sooner or later to quit.
All i can say i noticed is that ppl who claim they "love" the rates are mostly ppl who got complete high lvl chars.
Also don't ignore the fact that lot of ppl who go through hard times xping,might be afraid to come and complain about coz of our forum trolls wannabe or those 23894756348976 l2 guru we got.
Now feel free to flame me,hate me,throw rocks on me,i couldnt care less.
This is how i see things,this is my oppinion,agree with it or not.
Cheers
P.S. I am sorry for sh1tty english,i know my post is chaotical,but i hope u got my point. tx :P
+1 for this, because it's share my point of view.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
Drake you do that and my entire clan (and vast majority of people I know overall) will leave the server instantly and never ever have anything together with any project of yours or donate for it or whatever.
This would be a giant slap to the face for the people that worked hard for their stuff until now, a betray against own community, just cause few idiots cried. Make them some high rate if you want to please them. Do not ruin our server.
Instead of this bullshit topic, react on mine where where 90% of people that reacted on my initial post agreed with me, and no admin yet "dared" to get clear answer there and you answer this cryout here. Solve the real problems people have.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,282417.0.html
gtfo u annoying whining b1tch
After reading all these pages (sad) :'( i will just post my opinion
- Change the xp/sp rate in such a way that you can still award all those that spend hours getting to high lvl's, this way you probably cannot change the rate to much higher than it is now, maybe some small difference, because even the nolifers think that 79+ is sick.
- Change the dn substack requirement to 76 (third) even though most important skills are still only at 79.
just my thoughts bb
Quote from: Vandana on April 01, 2014, 12:48:52 AM
It took some time to go through so freaking many pages 90% filled with pointless flames,like there is some race called "who got bigger stronger balls here flaming the other one no matters what" ,but after many attempts i succeeded to get what is this all about.
Damn slow xp coz of low rates.
First of all i want to point that i am the owner of few high lvl chars,my main is sort of complete, fully geared ,so dont even dare to put any of ur fingers on me.Coz no,im not "qq'ing" to get any advantage or benefits so i could finally "finish my chars".
All i know is that we started as a full clan,i even got hard times coz of not enough spots for all the old pals who started to play here from the very first moment of server,but nowadays from our crowd only max 5 players keep playing,some of them logging time to time only to check how things are...
We became so damn bored so even if we had a 4-5 players clan,we wared every clan we saw around, so we started to check on for ppl we could pvp with. Was me and my mate,a bp,both noble. Each of us logged a support and happily started to hunt on all freaking possible spots where normally we should find ppl working on their chars.Was an easy thing to do coz of easy portings due to our nobless.Guess what: all those spots were almost empty..,rarely we could find 1-2 players wanking there. Damn freaking hard to understand why spots like HS,FOG,IT,Varka,700 mobs spots and so on were empty. But well,sadly, it might be coz what happened to our clan,prolly happened to others as well. This explains the lack of activity on the most used for improving chars spots.
Yesterday i was checking on sieges. Schuttgart,Giran,Rune...no1 attacked...Dont come here with "guards hit hard" coz this is only schuttgart's case,knowing this castle is still owned by npcs. Others not. Im wondering how is possible sieges to be boring on a 3 months old server?? Did u ever think it might be coz , except those "big" 3 sides on server (FC/cruel,exci/encalve,FW/sindy) ,rest of players didnt succeed to finish their chars?? Or r too afraid to lose their xp by being killed? All this leads us again to xp rates,slow lvling stuff...
Dont come to tell me it doesnt matter..Doing a simple math,ppl not playing with any of those 3 big sides i mentioned, should be ~1500 players,coz i doubt those 3 big sides count more than 500 players all together xd
Drake himself said the main issue ppl complained about was low rates,slow xp. Now leave away ur hate or stuborness and ask urself if its possible those low rates might bring boredom which,sadly,lead ppl sooner or later to quit.
All i can say i noticed is that ppl who claim they "love" the rates are mostly ppl who got complete high lvl chars.
Also don't ignore the fact that lot of ppl who go through hard times xping,might be afraid to come and complain about coz of our forum trolls wannabe or those 23894756348976 l2 guru we got.
Now feel free to flame me,hate me,throw rocks on me,i couldnt care less.
This is how i see things,this is my oppinion,agree with it or not.
Cheers
P.S. I am sorry for sh1tty english,i know my post is chaotical,but i hope u got my point. tx :P
dis.
some ppls of my clan talking about think to leave the server.beacause of hard to make 1 char high lvl and subbed.my opinion is very important to make the sub class at lvl 76.this will change the gameplay and is good for all.if someone will cry about this (sub 76) really is pathetic and dont have life.and finaly is better and for server cause more ppl will donate for premium horn earlie.more chars will make more horns. this is not change something cause many chars have the bested skills at 78. but sub at 76 will be so helpfuly for the ppls.
*sorry for my bad english.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
what if the rates would change? for example to this:
www.dragon-network.net/stats/tar/rates_high.htm
I vote for this.
The dynamic rates are the core problem imho, so many players started here, and so many players realized so late, how slow it gets after a certain level.
Now you either keep it as it is, and lose the more casual players and keep the farmers, or you change it to x7-x10, and get a CRAPLOAD of cry from those who has already farmed up their characters - but exactly this is why, they might stay on the server.
For such an exp rate change, my reaction would be "fck you too, DN staff" as well, but I'm not sure if it would be a bad move. Maybe we would profit from it in 1-2 months.
However, IF you happen to raise the exp rates, you MUST fix this (and not by decreasing low level spoil, but the opposite of it), because this is pure bullcrap:
spoil; Grave Robber Ranger (L28): 1-3 steel (retail chance: 1/20) + 1-3 m.ore (retail chance: 1/10)
spoil; Fallen Orc(L55): 1 steel (retail chance: 1/6)
A mild rate change will in the long run bring way more players. Post a poll and advertise it IN GAME. Then more people will visit the forum And vote. I guarentee you will see results towards a rate increase. It won't matter that people asked you not to do it in a month or two when the server is booming with new players.
Can't please everyone, but its always better to go with the majority in a situation like this!
A lot of Nolifers who did not sleep first two months are crying here and new people will not like exp in this rates. So NO LIFERS voting for leave rates on same. Thanks god is just few of them
2 Track, thank for your opinion. But what i am doing with my pt's is abit different then what i was talking about. bcoz i am making end-game setup and i dont need to lf people.
What does this server needs
a) its people to understand that to get into the end-game setup they need finde/create a small group of people of their lvl/gameplay/ game goals.
b) admins to help (somehow) to let that small groups to be created.
+1 for mr. Alex with his 76 sub idea. (yes i am borred to exp my supports and iwant pew pew xD)
About changing rates. Gms should watch out with any important changings bcoz smart guys who were joining this server read cearfully about serv-specifications and were countin that it would be stable. Lets say they pay for Dragon/Tarantula_day_one not for some random thing which can be chnaged any moment.
Vi, i hope you didnt count me in this 897516524 gurus. ;)
Quote from: Vandana on April 01, 2014, 12:48:52 AM
It took some time to go through so freaking many pages 90% filled with pointless flames,like there is some race called "who got bigger stronger balls here flaming the other one no matters what" ,but after many attempts i succeeded to get what is this all about.
Damn slow xp coz of low rates.
First of all i want to point that i am the owner of few high lvl chars,my main is sort of complete, fully geared ,so dont even dare to put any of ur fingers on me.Coz no,im not "qq'ing" to get any advantage or benefits so i could finally "finish my chars".
All i know is that we started as a full clan,i even got hard times coz of not enough spots for all the old pals who started to play here from the very first moment of server,but nowadays from our crowd only max 5 players keep playing,some of them logging time to time only to check how things are...
We became so damn bored so even if we had a 4-5 players clan,we wared every clan we saw around, so we started to check on for ppl we could pvp with. Was me and my mate,a bp,both noble. Each of us logged a support and happily started to hunt on all freaking possible spots where normally we should find ppl working on their chars.Was an easy thing to do coz of easy portings due to our nobless.Guess what: all those spots were almost empty..,rarely we could find 1-2 players wanking there. Damn freaking hard to understand why spots like HS,FOG,IT,Varka,700 mobs spots and so on were empty. But well,sadly, it might be coz what happened to our clan,prolly happened to others as well. This explains the lack of activity on the most used for improving chars spots.
Yesterday i was checking on sieges. Schuttgart,Giran,Rune...no1 attacked...Dont come here with "guards hit hard" coz this is only schuttgart's case,knowing this castle is still owned by npcs. Others not. Im wondering how is possible sieges to be boring on a 3 months old server?? Did u ever think it might be coz , except those "big" 3 sides on server (FC/cruel,exci/encalve,FW/sindy) ,rest of players didnt succeed to finish their chars?? Or r too afraid to lose their xp by being killed? All this leads us again to xp rates,slow lvling stuff...
Dont come to tell me it doesnt matter..Doing a simple math,ppl not playing with any of those 3 big sides i mentioned, should be ~1500 players,coz i doubt those 3 big sides count more than 500 players all together xd
Drake himself said the main issue ppl complained about was low rates,slow xp. Now leave away ur hate or stuborness and ask urself if its possible those low rates might bring boredom which,sadly,lead ppl sooner or later to quit.
All i can say i noticed is that ppl who claim they "love" the rates are mostly ppl who got complete high lvl chars.
Also don't ignore the fact that lot of ppl who go through hard times xping,might be afraid to come and complain about coz of our forum trolls wannabe or those 23894756348976 l2 guru we got.
Now feel free to flame me,hate me,throw rocks on me,i couldnt care less.
This is how i see things,this is my oppinion,agree with it or not.
Cheers
P.S. I am sorry for sh1tty english,i know my post is chaotical,but i hope u got my point. tx :P
I got ya. But I see it completely differently.
I wanted to come here to join an oldschool low-rate L2 server, here on DN, with substack, the promises lookes nice. No exploits lot of fixes, no mutantsubs, weird dynamic exp which I did not like but whatever that was the only blunder. I was off L2 for say 7 years, and I wanted to relive the old infi experience cause modern L2 and everything connected to it suxx for me and I refuse to touch it.
But it seems like half of the other server saw it the other way. They saw old dragon, so easy lolipop server with easy exp, and moved here based on clans that were active till now, thus with people bored to gear, bored to lvl, people with single plan to rush to endgame asap and then do... something I guess. All those who could not keep up were just ditched and ofc it became boring for them so they stopped to play.
I thought we would be gearing for months, having massive sieges in B grades like the old days, zergs would form vs the few nolifers that would outgear them. Etc, etc. But nope, nothing like that happened. Instead all rushed, and those who did blocked the path for others, and they, instead of fighting back, rather give up. As i mentioned in my big rant before, if my CP fails to push me trough Ill rather quit then try to do something bigger, that is the mentality of today's players.
I do not think the server is set wrong, its in the people. For me when everyone gets lvl fast, sub dast, get S weapons fast and the armor they want fast that is boring. Cause they you have just clones bashing against each other. People in L2 are not meant to be equal that is. Those who invest more effort and do not f*** it up shall be stronger then casuals. Thats how it is. But now, none wants to play the weaker one. Everyone wants to be super ready before entering the war. Thats why we have so many cowards who go like "ill not pvp until Im geared and noble", hell we got whole massive clans applying that approach, look at Wolves.
Hell, before my old comrades arrived I played here with a couple of nice guys I actually trusted and you know what they did? Asslick-joined FC and Cruel. First it was "just to get horn" then it was "just to get retail" and then it was "just to get noble" and 14 days later half told me that they are leaving the server cause there is none to fight and they are bored. Eghm... sorry, instead off fighting against the top power you decide to asslick-them to moon, and then complain you do not have enough enemies? How about leaving and attacking them? Huh, that would be many enemies, but also no real chance for epics and stuff for a while so so... no, that would be hard, no, no, lets have all easy, so we will rather be cowards and asslick till we leave.
I think this whole issue is related to the current "I want all now and easy" mentality that is all around us and MMO's adopted it as well. It is a sucking mentality and I share no mercy for people that live by it.
A fix for the server? There is no fix as there is nothing fundamentally wrong. Making it faster and easier will annoy all that played till now and kill the server very fast. I say leave it be, and the players that stayed till now will probably stay, and we will see how the game looks after a few months, if people stop asslicking and start playing the good old L2. If we will end up with 50% of the stable community comparing to the launch, i think we are OK.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
I do not think the server is set wrong, its in the people.
This.
The core engine of Lineage 2 is that you are never done. You work on exp, you work on class change (pvp @ woa and varka/ketra ftw), you work for gear, you fight for good spots, you fight for castle, you fight for fun, you work on noblesse...
These things are THE GAME ITSELF. It's not WoW, like "get maxlv, get maxgear, go arena" bullshit. The whole game is the progression of your character from creation to endless pvp on highlvl.
I understand that ppl has only a few hours a day, it's fine, go play some moba, fps, rts, anything WITHOUT PROGRESSION. Just log in, and be equal with everyone. This is not that type of a game. 50x server would bring in more players, true. For a month. Then everyone would leave their 80/80/80/80 full geared characters here to rot.
LZ +1 about fighting & not joining wining side.
But also you should understand that no1 like to loose and feed so it's stupid to blame people who want to build up their chars on lvl to be able to answer.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
I got ya. But I see it completely differently.
I wanted to come here to join an oldschool low-rate L2 server, here on DN, with substack, the promises lookes nice. No exploits lot of fixes, no mutantsubs, weird dynamic exp which I did not like but whatever that was the only blunder. I was off L2 for say 7 years, and I wanted to relive the old infi experience cause modern L2 and everything connected to it suxx for me and I refuse to touch it.
But it seems like half of the other server saw it the other way. They saw old dragon, so easy lolipop server with easy exp, and moved here based on clans that were active till now, thus with people bored to gear, bored to lvl, people with single plan to rush to endgame asap and then do... something I guess. All those who could not keep up were just ditched and ofc it became boring for them so they stopped to play.
I thought we would be gearing for months, having massive sieges in B grades like the old days, zergs would form vs the few nolifers that would outgear them. Etc, etc. But nope, nothing like that happened. Instead all rushed, and those who did blocked the path for others, and they, instead of fighting back, rather give up. As i mentioned in my big rant before, if my CP fails to push me trough Ill rather quit then try to do something bigger, that is the mentality of today's players.
I do not think the server is set wrong, its in the people. For me when everyone gets lvl fast, sub dast, get S weapons fast and the armor they want fast that is boring. Cause they you have just clones bashing against each other. People in L2 are not meant to be equal that is. Those who invest more effort and do not freak it us shall be stronger then casuals. Thats how it is. But now, none wants to play the weaker one. Everyone wants to be super ready before entering the war. Thats why we have so many cowards who go like "ill not pvp until Im geared and noble", hell we got whole massive clans applying that approach, look at Wolves.
Hell, before my old comrades arrived I played here with a couple of nice guys I actually trusted and you know what they did? Asslick-joined FC and Cruel. First it was "just to get horn" then it was "just to get retail" and then it was "just to get noble" and 14 days later half told me that they are leaving the server cause there is none to fight and they are bored. Eghm... sorry, instead off fighting against the top power you decide to asslick-them to moon, and then complain you do not have enough enemies? How about leaving and attacking them? Huh, that would be many enemies, but also no real chance for epics and stuff for a while so so... no, that would be hard, no, no, lets have all easy, so we will rather be cowards and asslick till we leave.
I think this whole issue is related to the current "I want all now and easy" mentality that is all around us and MMO's adopted it as well. It is a sucking mentality and I share no mercy for people that live by it.
A fix for the server? There is no fix as there is nothing fundamentally wrong. Making it faster and easier will annoy all that played till now and kill the server very fast. I say leave it be, and the players that stayed till now will probably stay, and we will see how the game looks after a few months, if people stop asslicking and start playing the good old L2. If we will end up with 50% of the stable community comparing to the launch, i think we are OK.
Im not going to say i agree with ur point of view yet i respect it. Everyone got their own oppinion others can share it or not.
1 thing id like to mention,smth being stuck on my mind, smth present in every single post of urs. Its related to "why others dont get together to create a strong enough side to face FC/cruel ally". Coz i rlly dunno who got enough strength to get together lot of ppl from different clans,ppl who never played with each other and make them work like one. Thats a hell hard work to do,thats why i got doubts will ever happen. Or,better,why dont u try it to make it? Hm?? Its always easier to stay aside and blame anyone else for not doing things instead of starting it by urself. Pls dont get me wrong,im only stating facts :P
Related to what u said on the other topic,the one related to changed lvl of being able to sub at...u expect some "reward" in change of what u did to sub ur chars or for those who used a premium horn to sub... Im one of those who used premium horn but i dont expect anything in change. If this will revive the server,will bring more actions,will get things better in general,there is nothing more i could wish for. As far as boredom will get vanished i wont give a flying fuk on what i did or how much i worked to get my chars to a decent stat. More ppl not being scared of losing xp by pvp,more and more ppl on daily actions is the best reward we can get.
@ Nik --> we both know who i was talking about and its obviously not ur case :P
Quote from: N!k on April 01, 2014, 12:16:04 AM
I have a break from active Dragon like half year & when i joined back i noticed that people here dont really know how to play in team or create one. (Not talking about big clans). The main problem is that all want to play as end-game-mode, and i cant blame no1 for that bcoz i have same feeling.But what people need is to start making this small teams in order to get some stuff togeather.
All this chronicals are based on quests of killing XX mobs in YY location in order to get : rec's, manor, enchants and rest. & as second step - boss farming.
For example on GOD NCsoft improve the possibility of making this small teams by creating peace-farming aka inctances+ ALL commonity from 1 to 99 are using party matching. On our current chronical is abit harder but still you need same- group of people to make things to work.
That party matching option is really usefull and its working,but seems nobody using..it works a lot yes,and in official i see players doing it from 1 to 99..that true
If you want people to be more open to pvp there needs to be less of a penalty xp wise. The rates are so low people know better than to flag, die & lose an hour of leveling.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 04:58:33 AM
If you want people to be more open to pvp there needs to be less of a penalty xp wise. The rates are so low people know better than to flag, die & lose an hour of leveling.
I agree with you dude. Maybe if Admin will not changing the exp rate, Change please the exp lose so that players have guts not loosing exp and promote pvp. Yes! I am one of them afraid always on loosing exp but I did not ever denied players kicking my ass.
Quote from: Vandana on April 01, 2014, 03:04:03 AM
Im not going to say i agree with ur point of view yet i respect it. Everyone got their own oppinion others can share it or not.
1 thing id like to mention,smth being stuck on my mind, smth present in every single post of urs. Its related to "why others dont get together to create a strong enough side to face FC/cruel ally". Coz i rlly dunno who got enough strength to get together lot of ppl from different clans,ppl who never played with each other and make them work like one. Thats a hell hard work to do,thats why i got doubts will ever happen. Or,better,why dont u try it to make it? Hm?? Its always easier to stay aside and blame anyone else for not doing things instead of starting it by urself. Pls dont get me wrong,im only stating facts :P
Related to what u said on the other topic,the one related to changed lvl of being able to sub at...u expect some "reward" in change of what u did to sub ur chars or for those who used a premium horn to sub... Im one of those who used premium horn but i dont expect anything in change. If this will revive the server,will bring more actions,will get things better in general,there is nothing more i could wish for. As far as boredom will get vanished i wont give a flying fuk on what i did or how much i worked to get my chars to a decent stat. More ppl not being scared of losing xp by pvp,more and more ppl on daily actions is the best reward we can get.
@ Nik --> we both know who i was talking about and its obviously not ur case :P
Long rant coming! Skip it everyone, except you.
If I knew how to fix this I would. None of the old big personalities play, or the few they do, are not significant in any way. But I was there when it was still possible. Best example would be good old "emperor" DragNeR. A guy that made seemingly impossible on old infinity. He was an enemy of mine, that trough years, gained so much respect that I started liking him. He was a leader if massive ancient ally called TLA. After few good deeds and start, parts of that ally turned to kinda of a symbol of terror. C3, the only place to lvl over 70 was on kariks... and those guys were relentless.
Back then people lived by the game. Leaving or giving up was not an option, so an opposition rised, that later became known as SemperFidelis (SF) which resulted in massive war everywhere. Summer 2006 DN updated to full C4 core, not just client. And the old TLA C1 beta core optimized army became weak, the daggers whiches skills were ignoring pdef before were now useless, the B armors and weapons outdated. Some people even left the server, so TLA started loosing. Almost every person on the server fought against them, that was the "masses versus tyrant" scenario that we needed here and never happened. Here is the video that market the end, aka the final victory over Giran. Traditionally, who holds Giran, rules the server. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceI0ox6oMgA&list=PLb_72EZuIWLOWXr9w9YWKegQq1L7R69rJ&index=5
Its old video on old computers and all but sure you can feel the omps, the names in the beginning are not of clans but entire alliances participating on this last massive attack.
Yet.... this guy did not give up. At the brink of defeat (SF had most of the castles and raids) he kept recruiting more, getting people together. There were stories being told about TLA, an underground propaganda machine was rolling. Every person kept during their best to turn the tides. He was really nice guy, people who came to play around him came to support his cause. Back then we had strong sides on server, enemies were hated, there was no way you could leave and join them just like that. Everything had serious consequences. And few months after that, he was able to recreate his ally, without allienating Fraternity, he managed to create an army so large and so loyal, that SF was destroyed, and after couple of more months, he could celebrate the ultimate victory that happened only once in the history of the server, aka captured all the castles.
But the game went on, and we managed to seed a new opposition that gave them run for their money, this time centered around Fatals. And later the server was struck by adena dupe and other exploits, which killed it and many people left. And yet, by that point people were fighting for years for the same clans and the same sides. The leaders had respect, clans had respect. So big, that one day DragNeR called "last call to war" aka the last and most epic siege to decide. That call was answered even by the players that did not play anymore. And after that, Intocables had ceremony with NW in Aden castle, those guys hated each other so much, but the same time they got so much attached to each other that when it was about to end, the respect for a great enemy took over and they had this almost RP-ish goodbye event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UBzhWvaJTE&list=PLb_72EZuIWLMnPxib5z3qhv6A06MS4n5z&index=9
So what is this all about. Well, couple of things. First people were playing "no retreat no surrender" way. You logged in thinking not how to exp fastest or how to noble fastest, people thought how are we gonna ruin our enemy today. There was extreme loyalty to clan and ally, cause that was the only thing keeping you alive. You betrayed them, you were on your own, aka death, enemy would never accept you in their ranks fearing you are just a spy sent there. There were days when people lost in pvp more % then they exped in a week. Yet they did not cry. The war lasted 3 years, I played 2 from that and in the end I was not even noble. Cause there was no time to exp some shitty retail, one was always bussy doing PVP or politics or preparing for the next siege or epic raid. There was no middle time or moment of peace. There was no hour without having to PVP for your life in IT, LOA, Varka, FOG, you name it. Here... we had a week without PVP in IT, and when someone found us they... just went to take other room.
You see there is no push, and when you stomp someone, they try to asslick someone stronger or QQ, not fight back. You asked me "why not change it yourself" First Im not that talented. And second, there is none willing to join. Everyone is about their own ass or CP. Give me the names of the people willing to sack their own progress for months just to stand against SF for example. Heh. Yeah. There is nobody. I actually had a plan in the beginning, a devious one like in the old days. It included infiltration, betray and a lot of true hate. Hehe, yeah but... Nobody fallowed it trough till the end. Most of them turned in to "noble first" morons that left the server already. Well, about half left, not all. Few still play as traitors in the ranks of SF which they sworn to betray, and only very few did so as they promissed. One of them still there even made hero..... Ill not name you, but you know, and you know you can do better then that. You attack the tyrant, not join them!
So I kinda gave up. Normally I would be very pissed, but hey my old buddies from infi, exp clanmates, now clanmates again arrived just when that happened. So I started playing with them, and I continue to do so. Guess why, cause for the most part, we are loyal to each other and they remember the days of honor and glory. And maybe, just maybe, in due time, something will happen. Like back then, there were many hopeless months and sleepless nights, but the glory after was that sweater. I can now only hope things go on and on, Wolves start to PVP to make the server more juicy and we stick loyal to each other and support whoever side it needs it the most, and off course, the most enjoyable part, hunt the vile traitors. Still I feel like a flower blooming without any bees feasting on it. Its too quiet and peaceful everywhere, by now I have more stuff, equip, wealth and exp then I had on infi after two years with pulling in 2x more hours a day... how come... I cant even daily PVP. None attacks me. If i attack them the either have big enough zerg to kill me with that, or they just die, say nothing and leave (so I have to go on PK) or start QQ so I start talking with them why the QQ and they tell me "Im not noble and full equip yet so ill not fight you". What the freak...
Look at it, castles not even taken from NPC's... None attacks even the populated castles, Even dead Fatals did not lose their castle, cause none took it. Welel.. just for the sake of it we will try tak some next sieges, but really it is tragic state of L2. When there is none to take undefended castle... you ask me "why don't you form the army yourself".. yeah. You see why.
You do realize that this has to do with two things, right?
The rate
The age of the game
You can't fit one of the above, want to guess which one?
I'm not suggesting that Drake make's the server a super high rate, I'm suggesting that he get's real with the situation. ESPECIALLY when a server already has it's main powers, to come in now and try to catch up is almost pointless. You will grief, pvp/pk them off the server before they can compete, all the while thinking you are the shit because noone can stop you.
Stop worrying about how "hard" you had it afew months ago compared to what new comers might have it. I'd love to bring my crew here and give you a run for your money, but I openly admit that we wouldn't be able to catch up enough with the current state of the game.
Stop thinking about yourself and be realistic.
Everything here is just NO LIFERS Dominate and dont want to see any changes, while people who cant play that long want to get on their lvl in some shorter way.
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 01, 2014, 07:53:02 AM
Everything here is just NO LIFERS Dominate and dont want to see any changes, while people who cant play that long want to get on their lvl in some shorter way.
are we playing same server? tarantula? Each of clans got like ~5-10 nolifers rest of guys working like u or me. Not a big deal to reach end game so fast if u are working on it with friendly partys or even with more guys playing with same characters.. and gearing, xping it.
No matter which rate we are playing if u have problems with it, u will have problems with new style too cus u are just a nonfactor.
xp rates higher-> hit lvl79 in C gr, no sp for skills, higher lvl noob then before, cant sub faster no matter what, cant kill rbs alone, cant go to epics alone etc...
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 01, 2014, 07:53:02 AM
while people who cant play that long want to get on their lvl in some shorter way.
agree with this, we were lvling in current rates and some high rate kids whos using ch buffs only.. crying about hard to xp to even 70 or 76. No matter which rate u are playing if u are alone with sh1tty buffs u got right to change on this, get buffer get friends get party. IF u are mage or archer there is perfect buffers for fast lvling..
When i ve started SWS, made an SH too just for xping faster, but HEY its cheating and not allowed to use everbody else...
find ur balls, join to clan and start playing rather then be an other forum hero
Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 04:58:33 AM
If you want people to be more open to pvp there needs to be less of a penalty xp wise. The rates are so low people know better than to flag, die & lose an hour of leveling.
I actually think that it would be a big + for this server. I'd even be up to make no loss of exp IF YOU'RE KILLED BY THE PLAYER, NOT MOB. That would change a lof of ppl mentality. "Hey, you want to kill me? I'm gonna try to kill you instead. I won't loose any exp even if i fail, so i don't mind fighting back." I know it might sound stupid, but after looking on many ppl behaviour i think it would help a lot.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 05:31:34 AM
Long rant coming! Skip it everyone, except you.
You are too idealistic, its impossible to bring back those times and it isnt even that much about the game itself or people who play it, it is, as much silly as it sounds, about the integration of online gaming into the world. The earliest years of lineage on DNET happened to cover the end of the golden age of online games where everyone would play just the game, play for fun. What we face today is that the painful majority of online gamers are taking games overly competitively and for them online game is more like a workplace, not a place where they have fun, enough to take a look on server-switching clans.
Players are much bigger douchebags these days (and since many years) and switching sides for a chance of easier cash/char/you name it is a normal thing and isnt judged by anyone anymore. The worst what may happen is being refused and laughed upon, but as long as you have at least basic gear you are very unlikely to be rejected by any clan that relies on numbers, no matter whats your backstory.
And the "no retreat no surrender" behavior isnt really going to be upheld by anyone anymore, if someone fails they'd much rather leave to go elsewhere. And thats actually not completely wrong, if games are here to have fun at then people can go wherever else they have fun at since there are many other places to go nowadays and Im not even speaking of other servers here, its not like 10 years ago when it were just lineage2, WoW, CS and dota.
So you cant bring it back, the best what you can do is playing and enjoying your game in the way you want and with whoever you want.
Like i said before
Old community grow up, and the new, younger players want everything faster and easier, that's a fact. With such x5 at end you would end with a 500 'old' players after 6-7 months, because there is no leader that will form a zerg against top clans. For many people here pvp start when they will be full S and with sub, community in the MMO degenerated after playing many new games where everything is a lot easier.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 04:58:33 AM
If you want people to be more open to pvp there needs to be less of a penalty xp wise. The rates are so low people know better than to flag, die & lose an hour of leveling.
Have you being playing on Tarantula??... Base ressurrection gives 40%(scroll) exp back. Healing classes give 100% or smth similar.
Server is good and it doesn’t need changes. I guess ppl from old Zenith/Infinity complain less than ppl to whom L2 is new or ppl from Dragon or Nightmare. On Zenith, I remember making 7% per 4 hours until I reached lvl allowing me to cubclass. So those rates on Tarantula are not bad for me, they rather make the server oldschool. Other thing is that I don’t have so patient ass to farm 4 hours anymore.
LadyZenith is right, that its more problem about new genre of L2 players, who already know, that L2 can be fast. They are not used to oldschool. And oldschool players, they also are more bored with game, more aged, and have other fun things to do. So it’s a matter of expectations. If ppl expect fast exp and fast domination (and most L2 players now do), they leave. If ppl expect long term playing â€" they’ll stay. Soon this or other new H5 server starts and all those fast-playas will join there, just to quit in 3 months. And I wouldn’t fear for Tarantula fate. Players who want to play, will always make more or less interesting server history it’s a matter of time. LadyZenith brought server sides history. In some way I was part of it, but far more I participated in other low rate server history. Similar war, similar hate, betrayals, spy actions. I left that server 2 years ago. I thought everything is over there. No such thing, it lived on, created more sides, histories and wars, even with lower online. And it still does. So, imo, just wait, I think there will eb nice actions sooner or later.
Quote from: Sig on April 01, 2014, 10:40:47 AM
Server is good and it doesn’t need changes. I guess ppl from old Zenith/Infinity complain less than ppl to whom L2 is new or ppl from Dragon or Nightmare. On Zenith, I remember making 7% per 4 hours until I reached lvl allowing me to cubclass. So those rates on Tarantula are not bad for me, they rather make the server oldschool. Other thing is that I don’t have so patient ass to farm 4 hours anymore.
LadyZenith is right, that its more problem about new genre of L2 players, who already know, that L2 can be fast. They are not used to oldschool. And oldschool players, they also are more bored with game, more aged, and have other fun things to do. So it’s a matter of expectations. If ppl expect fast exp and fast domination (and most L2 players now do), they leave. If ppl expect long term playing â€" they’ll stay. Soon this or other new H5 server starts and all those fast-playas will join there, just to quit in 3 months. And I wouldn’t fear for Tarantula fate. Players who want to play, will always make more or less interesting server history it’s a matter of time. LadyZenith brought server sides history. In some way I was part of it, but far more I participated in other low rate server history. Similar war, similar hate, betrayals, spy actions. I left that server 2 years ago. I thought everything is over there. No such thing, it lived on, created more sides, histories and wars, even with lower online. And it still does. So, imo, just wait, I think there will eb nice actions sooner or later.
Tell me, which server was most populated years ago, infinity or dragon? Which server remain at the end? Infinity or dragon? This is a old game, there is maybe max 5% of players that appreciate this 'oldschool', because it's back from their memories. Like u said, after ten years, players want to skip this boring exp phase and just pvp without fear, they want to asslick top clans, rather to fight them and win the glory and epics.
IMO the main reason why those servers died, were mutants, not rates. And maybe donation too (at shadow x 10 for sure).
Quote from: Sig on April 01, 2014, 11:15:47 AM
IMO the main reason why those servers died, were mutants, not rates. And maybe donation too (at shadow x 10 for sure).
Dragon had the same, and was corrupted like hell.
Quote from: Alex on April 01, 2014, 10:18:49 AM
You are too idealistic, its impossible to bring back those times and it isnt even that much about the game itself or people who play it, it is, as much silly as it sounds, about the integration of online gaming into the world. The earliest years of lineage on DNET happened to cover the end of the golden age of online games where everyone would play just the game, play for fun. What we face today is that the painful majority of online gamers are taking games overly competitively and for them online game is more like a workplace, not a place where they have fun, enough to take a look on server-switching clans.
Players are much bigger douchebags these days (and since many years) and switching sides for a chance of easier cash/char/you name it is a normal thing and isnt judged by anyone anymore. The worst what may happen is being refused and laughed upon, but as long as you have at least basic gear you are very unlikely to be rejected by any clan that relies on numbers, no matter whats your backstory.
And the "no retreat no surrender" behavior isnt really going to be upheld by anyone anymore, if someone fails they'd much rather leave to go elsewhere. And thats actually not completely wrong, if games are here to have fun at then people can go wherever else they have fun at since there are many other places to go nowadays and Im not even speaking of other servers here, its not like 10 years ago when it were just lineage2, WoW, CS and dota.
So you cant bring it back, the best what you can do is playing and enjoying your game in the way you want and with whoever you want.
sad but true
Small example from my own l2 history.
I started to play in time when ss you need to press manually (c-2/3), old <3 cursor and majority of people were creating parties of random classes on half buff. Movies from LZ approves it(and it's even higher chronicals).
Ofc it's history, ofc it's memories, ofc it was awesome times. But major ammount of pvp was on low quality/ there was nothing like CP just random people joining pt. Yes they were friendly & loyal to the clan/ally but all pvps at that times was more like group of 100-150 people attacking group of same ammount. Team/party work was provided mb by 5% of server.
Now community grow up so evryone who r trying to organize smth want to avoid old mistakes of the past and make their groups of people (clans) better then b4.
I dont want to deside for the rest of people on server but that group what i am leading are 90% old players and ofc we know how to lvl/gear up and rest and ofc we want to join actions as much as possible but excuse me we r playing two/three weeks so it's normaly that on our 77lvl/no sub we cant face subbed parties. (even if i accepted all wars from "top" clans).
All gameplay nowadays are based on cp work. People who will be able to create/finde a stable working CP will make a future generation of server. There is no way to play like in old times and there is no pont to talk about it.
Quote from: N!k on April 01, 2014, 12:49:22 PM
Small example from my own l2 history.
I started to play in time when ss you need to press manually (c-2/3), old <3 cursor and majority of people were creating parties of random classes on half buff. Movies from LZ approves it(and it's even higher chronicals).
i broke 2 keyboards because of that :'( :'(
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 02:51:39 AM
You are a moron. You should get permaban for your high stupidity.
WTF man, just chill, a slight change of game is not the end of ur life,
Quote from: Garn. on April 01, 2014, 01:02:50 PM
i broke 2 keyboards because of that :'( :'(
you dont know ancient wisdom? aka STICK SMTH IN DA KEY? xD
Quote from: N!k on April 01, 2014, 01:13:32 PM
you dont know ancient wisdom? aka STICK SMTH IN DA KEY? xD
yes, but only after 2 keyboards xD
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Tell me, which server was most populated years ago, infinity or dragon? Which server remain at the end? Infinity or dragon? This is a old game, there is maybe max 5% of players that appreciate this 'oldschool', because it's back from their memories. Like u said, after ten years, players want to skip this boring exp phase and just pvp without fear, they want to asslick top clans, rather to fight them and win the glory and epics.
I know dragon, but I tell you which server was better. Ifinity. I mean for the first 3 years of its existence, after that came the adena exploit and mutants, which killed it so later Drake had to put DNsets and other OP stuff for donate and later even merge the servers. But before the mutants and exploits, it was rolling good and we were not loosing people. And what that crap happened, Drake betrayed us. Even as community we allsticked together by that point, working out the best possible fix scenario, but... He refused to listen, refused to fix the economy, and the mutants he promissed to ban stayed. That flushed half of the community away. And I belive now, he is way more experienced and will not repeat the same mistakes.
Quote from: Alex on April 01, 2014, 10:18:49 AM
You are too idealistic, its impossible to bring back those times and it isnt even that much about the game itself or people who play it, it is, as much silly as it sounds, about the integration of online gaming into the world. The earliest years of lineage on DNET happened to cover the end of the golden age of online games where everyone would play just the game, play for fun. What we face today is that the painful majority of online gamers are taking games overly competitively and for them online game is more like a workplace, not a place where they have fun, enough to take a look on server-switching clans.
Players are much bigger douchebags these days (and since many years) and switching sides for a chance of easier cash/char/you name it is a normal thing and isnt judged by anyone anymore. The worst what may happen is being refused and laughed upon, but as long as you have at least basic gear you are very unlikely to be rejected by any clan that relies on numbers, no matter whats your backstory.
And the "no retreat no surrender" behavior isnt really going to be upheld by anyone anymore, if someone fails they'd much rather leave to go elsewhere. And thats actually not completely wrong, if games are here to have fun at then people can go wherever else they have fun at since there are many other places to go nowadays and Im not even speaking of other servers here, its not like 10 years ago when it were just lineage2, WoW, CS and dota.
So you cant bring it back, the best what you can do is playing and enjoying your game in the way you want and with whoever you want.
Believe me I tried those other games, and Im here cause they suck. Im really not here for the shallow pvp that L2 offers, it excels only in mass pvp which I'm not getting. I invested years in fallowing Tera, it turned to be instanced bullshit, GW2 ill not even comment, then Archeage which the company decided to kill (fill with peacezones and pvp restrictions) even before it made its way to the west. There is no other game. I refuse to play game where I dont have political freedom (it has set factions) or it limits open pvp, or it is besed around instances, or its progression is limited to questchains and dailies. That I refuse. Now show me the game I can play except this.
And also define "fun" You know, for me fullbuff pt endgame pvp is not the climax of fun in this game, for me its politics, messing up things, pissing people off, you know the emotions. I do not need to pew pew but I need to cause conflicts and hate. You know... the spice must flow. And I love the un-even wars, the zerg vs few elites scenario. I loved the days when we resisted TLA with whatever we could over the days when we made perfect parties and layed waste, but.... both were nice, cause it was huge pvp. Hell most of the time I was "the sniper" aka i had pc fast enough to have 8fps instead of 2, so I was giving targets rest of the party just taking ti and facerolling the keyboard. I want sieges that big. Thats fun. Pt vs PT pvp... is not, thats kinda waste of time for me, i try to avoid said situation cause i can invest my time better.
And in the end you are right, best is for everyone to enjoy it the way you want. Thats why Im here, fighting people that wait to ruin that fun by making the server easy, instant endgame, instant glorification.
Quote from: Sig on April 01, 2014, 10:40:47 AM
Server is good and it doesn’t need changes. I guess ppl from old Zenith/Infinity complain less than ppl to whom L2 is new or ppl from Dragon or Nightmare. On Zenith, I remember making 7% per 4 hours until I reached lvl allowing me to cubclass. So those rates on Tarantula are not bad for me, they rather make the server oldschool. Other thing is that I don’t have so patient ass to farm 4 hours anymore.
LadyZenith is right, that its more problem about new genre of L2 players, who already know, that L2 can be fast. They are not used to oldschool. And oldschool players, they also are more bored with game, more aged, and have other fun things to do. So it’s a matter of expectations. If ppl expect fast exp and fast domination (and most L2 players now do), they leave. If ppl expect long term playing â€" they’ll stay. Soon this or other new H5 server starts and all those fast-playas will join there, just to quit in 3 months. And I wouldn’t fear for Tarantula fate. Players who want to play, will always make more or less interesting server history it’s a matter of time. LadyZenith brought server sides history. In some way I was part of it, but far more I participated in other low rate server history. Similar war, similar hate, betrayals, spy actions. I left that server 2 years ago. I thought everything is over there. No such thing, it lived on, created more sides, histories and wars, even with lower online. And it still does. So, imo, just wait, I think there will eb nice actions sooner or later.
Yes I agree,. Let the nolifer kiddos and highrate lovers leave. Just let them go. They jump from server to server anyway. If after a year we have a stable 500 oldschool people online community ill rather play with them then with what we have now.
Nobody is asking for instant gratification. A small increase will not hurt anything.
But thats fine, continue to be completely naive to the situation.
Come and fight. Hunt me, stop me, ruin my day! Thats all what I ask for. If you cant, do it to someone else on your level. You know, L2 is not only about total endgame, you can have the same fun pvping at lvl 70 as on lvl 80, hell most castles are abandoned, you can even from group and take one and the nolifer clans may not even care or interrupt your fun. I will try to interrupt their fun cause I dislike them. Thats the L2.
I see no point in making the server easy, no point.
And there is another argument for ppl that complain about slow exp. Here U have to make 80 lvl and get S grades & epics. Maybe OE them. Yes its slow and hard. But on H5 u have to make 1 x 85 lvl +3 x 75 (or 80), get top S84, epics (blessed ones too), OE them, make full attributes, belts, cloaks. Where is end game “fun†closer? Im talking about H5 cus almost all servers with decent files and online number are on H5. And in H5 all is about 7RB â€" make zerg of low geared chars to kill 7RB and get vespers, win server, change to another. Shame other, normal players waste 3 months for this. If u wanna join this bullshit, go. But u can also invest in slow, but stable server, like here. PS. I wont even mention “ethnic-language†problems on “those serversâ€.
Guys, please check changelog.
It should be pretty much fair for everyone.
Go on discussing (also about the latest changes).
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 04:32:34 PM
Come and fight. Hunt me, stop me, ruin my day! Thats all what I ask for. If you cant, do it to someone else on your level. You know, L2 is not only about total endgame, you can have the same fun pvping at lvl 70 as on lvl 80, hell most castles are abandoned, you can even from group and take one and the nolifer clans may not even care or interrupt your fun. I will try to interrupt their fun cause I dislike them. Thats the L2.
I see no point in making the server easy, no point.
Keep asking for something you aren't going to get. There are not enough hardcore L2 players anymore. Hell, if this was 3-4 years ago I would be right there with you playing in top gear/level having a blast. It's not about it being "easier" for me. I don't want to invest time in a slow leveling curve when it's blatantly obvious that MOST people don't want to anymore. The server will not maintain a high population with a low rate, it's just common sense. AS I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME.
FORGET about the "easy" statement. You will have noone to fight before too long if it stays this way.
Are you completely blind? Ask around, every single person I have approached has commented on the stupid xp curve and that I should just quit because they are bored at high level.
Appeal to the masses, and you will prosper.
The stack sub system is great, but noone wants to put in this much effort anymore. I'm looking at the big picture here, open your eyes! ;-)
Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 05:01:46 PM
Keep asking for something you aren't going to get. There are not enough hardcore L2 players anymore. Hell, if this was 3-4 years ago I would be right there with you playing in top gear/level having a blast. It's not about it being "easier" for me. I don't want to invest time in a slow leveling curve when it's blatantly obvious that MOST people don't want to anymore. The server will not maintain a high population with a low rate, it's just common sense. AS I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME.
FORGET about the "easy" statement. You will have noone to fight before too long if it stays this way.
Are you completely blind? Ask around, every single person I have approached has commented on the stupid xp curve and that I should just quit because they are bored at high level.
Appeal to the masses, and you will prosper.
The stack sub system is great, but noone wants to put in this much effort anymore. I'm looking at the big picture here, open your eyes! ;-)
You address me as someone who is on the top and plays hardcore. Nope,m I'm not the very 1st league, nope. I do not pull in insane hours, a normal working person hours. Same i did loong time ago on . and hell i made there no 1 pp on server. I know none played that crap class but still, stuff can be done with enough effort. You just want stuff too cheap and too easy and without any effort put in to it. That would kill the game for us, period. Most of the L2 servers are easy and fast , go there, do not ruin our game.
The only thing I agree with you is that the "curve" is wrong. There should not have been any curve, by that i mean dynamic exp. It actually demotivates people, aka as you progress it feels like every level is so much harder and harder. This feature should not have been there and the server should have been flat 5x from the get go.
Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 05:00:20 PM
Guys, please check changelog.
It should be pretty much fair for everyone.
Go on discussing (also about the latest changes).
I call those changes acceptable. Except the baium I do not see how it is going to help anything, but it is acceptable, thus I do not see it ruin anything and that's what I care about. I also support your GOE changes.
Now my fear goes to, you made one step backwards you will continue to do so... In a week those people will sub, run in to the SP problems and cry for you to make that easer, and then that and that..... you know what I mean.
Wtf is this?
Touching rates? What for?
I am srsly fvcking mad, cuz never seen such a retard server before, where a random idiot who joined server 2 days ago open a topic about rates and gms 1 day later already modify it. You just changed rates cuz a newcomer retard + 5 guy from same randomtrash clan want it. Nice job.
Can you guarantee no more future server specific changes?
Quote from: ZeniT on April 01, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
Wtf is this?
Touching rates? What for?
I am srsly fvcking mad, cuz never seen such a retard server before, where a random idiot who joined server 2 days ago open a topic about rates and gms 1 day later already modify it. You just changed rates cuz a newcomer retard + 5 guy from same randomtrash clan want it. Nice job.
Can you guarantee no more future server specific changes?
+ 1
This is the last big change, if you change the fundamentals on the server, you will lose the community.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 04:32:34 PM
Come and fight. Hunt me, stop me, ruin my day! Thats all what I ask for. If you cant, do it to someone else on your level. You know, L2 is not only about total endgame, you can have the same fun pvping at lvl 70 as on lvl 80, hell most castles are abandoned, you can even from group and take one and the nolifer clans may not even care or interrupt your fun. I will try to interrupt their fun cause I dislike them. Thats the L2.
I see no point in making the server easy, no point.
Collect some ammount of people who would like to follow your ideas>>sent a wars to all the server and go to any loc like hs or Varka & you will finde you "fun" or join Baium/Golkonda pvpsif you have bigger ballz. But no1 would join empty words and dead projects based on mistical "hate". best pvp evah was on TOP farm spots aka baium, Golka and rest. Not bcoz player A hate player B.
And pl0x stop cry for kurwa sake.
What changes are you talking about, don't tell me it is 4,5 --> 5x? Because the change is 0.5 transferred to real EXP its actually extremely minor change, apart that i don't see any other big change on high level, except obvious subbing at lv76 which is fine. So i don't see the reason of complains again if you want to be objective.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
+ 1
This is the last big change, if you change the fundamentals on the server, you will lose the community.
There is not going to be other changes on the curves beside this really minor change that sets the endgame difficulty same as Infinity.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
What changes are you talking about, don't tell me it is 4,5 --> 5x? Because the change is 0.5 transferred to real EXP its actually extremely minor change, apart that i don't see any other big change on high level, except obvious subbing at lv76 which is fine. So i don't see the reason of complains again if you want to be objective.
i think u dont understand what is my problem
Quote from: ZeniT on April 01, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
i think u dont understand what is my problem
Obviously i don't.
You should improve forum with one of facebook options -> 'I don't want to see that'. Because reading that ladyzenith or zenit makes me feel like jumping out of the window.
My one cent: keeping those ridiculous rates will finish of this server. Infinity x5 was so cool? Sadly it has fallen the first from that community (well maybe after Arena xd).
Quote from: Blizzer on April 01, 2014, 05:47:14 PM
You should improve forum with one of facebook options -> 'I don't want to see that'. Because reading that ladyzenith or zenit makes me feel like jumping out of the window.
My one cent: keeping those ridiculous rates will finish of this server. Infinity x5 was so cool? Sadly it has fallen the first from that community (well maybe after Arena xd).
+1 Some post are ... n/c
Drake implement that curve with your bionic arm and hypnotize people with your hypnotic eye :D
Now serious we made this servers live we the community that has been lived with you guys since 2005 9 years omg so much time :'( Start listen to the veterans and not to those random wannabes who joined this community since tarantula started 2 months lal.That spam and qq on forum they quit bla bla server die and other cries fokin ban them all tired reading all sh1ts.
You know what this community survived 9 fkin years cause of us and the staff and I'm proud of that and I want it to last more years.I did not survived of randoms who join weeks months qq an than quit.
Long live Dragon-Network,staff and he's veterans! Respect! Like Ali G said ;D
Quote from: reddragonjr on April 01, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
+1 Some post are ... n/c
Drake implement that curve with your bionic arm and hypnotize people with your hypnotic eye :D
Now serious we made this servers live we the community that has been lived with you guys since 2005 9 years omg so much time :'( Start listen to the veterans and not to those random wannabes who joined this community since tarantula started 2 months lal.That spam and qq on forum they quit bla bla server die and other cries fokin ban them all tired reading all sh1ts.
You know what this community survived 9 fkin years cause of us and the staff and I'm proud of that and I want it to last more years.
Long live Dragon-Network,staff and he's veterans! Respect! Like Ali G said ;D
Now go ingame and make some pivipi :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 06:14:05 PM
Now go ingame and make some pivipi :)
Still lvling ;D atm.Hard task.
Quote from: Blizzer on April 01, 2014, 05:47:14 PM
You should improve forum with one of facebook options -> 'I don't want to see that'. Because reading that ladyzenith or zenit makes me feel like jumping out of the window.
My one cent: keeping those ridiculous rates will finish of this server. Infinity x5 was so cool? Sadly it has fallen the first from that community (well maybe after Arena xd).
Then jump. Ill engrave your last words on your tombstone. :P
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 02:51:39 AM
You are a moron. You should get permaban for your high stupidity.
I really wonder why u r not banned yet
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
I really wonder why u r not banned yet
I am looking for his char, but seems lv61 4ever :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 06:43:49 PM
I am looking for his char, but seems lv61 4ever :)
ahahha :D
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 06:43:49 PM
I am looking for his char, but seems lv61 4ever :)
track could u answer for my pm ? thanks and sry for spam..
I really dont get why people who are not playing here and they just spam on forum and voting for everything like this blackphoenix
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
I wonder why stupid ppl like you, have right to talk/vote in real life... Keep crying for hard exp boy
Go back in your 5000x with AIO buff
9 years on DN and now you come here talking about me? /die
u played on x5000 aio br? wow nice, i played on official before u managed to use computer
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Sure, that's why you are crying for higher rate ahahahaha
Bots didn't complain about 1x rates brah.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Sure, that's why you are crying for higher rate ahahahaha
Stop cry finally please and dont go off topic, ty
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 08:04:23 PM
"cry" ? Random words? Well i see that you have 34 posts, ALL complaining about something/crying coz server is too hard... Keep going bro, keep going
GL
and your 5,7k posts about nothing
keep going bro, keep going
I'm just wondering why you bother to give that kid so many attentions...he's just a troll as always did in these years.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 08:04:23 PM
"cry" ? Random words? Well i see that you have 34 posts, ALL complaining about something/crying coz server is too hard... Keep going bro, keep going
GL
keep crying like you are doing it for that 9 years here, you are here that Forum Warrior and Big Nothing in Game keep going keep going GL
EDIT: I see u fight strongly for Posts :D
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 09:29:50 PM
Cry for what? Tell me, i'm curious.
You are right, i'm Big Nothing, but everyone know me. Who are you btw?
I don't know you, propably like 90% of the ingame community.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 09:29:50 PM
Cry for what? Tell me, i'm curious.
You are right, i'm Big Nothing, but everyone know me. Who are you btw?
everyone knows that you are only forum warrior :D GL with that
stop spam plz
Please go back on the topic subject or i will feel forced to trash this (decently important) thread to the spam section...
Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 11:03:50 PM
Please go back on the topic subject or i will feel forced to trash this (decently important) thread to the spam section...
You already did changes, now just wait how community will react on these changes , there is nothing more to talk about.
Well I agree on the lvl part..... Why so hard to lvl up..... like this guy said.... I have already said it to all my friends.... from 10 that started.... 6 of them already left..... its a old game a old chronicle.... only old school would play it.... we had not time as we had b4.... what should be hard its the items..... but now it's too late to change it probably
Quote from: lbiguiml on April 02, 2014, 12:53:53 AM
Well I agree on the lvl part..... Why so hard to lvl up..... like this guy said.... I have already said it to all my friends.... from 10 that started.... 6 of them already left..... its a old game a old chronicle.... only old school would play it.... we had not time as we had b4.... what should be hard its the items..... but now it's too late to change it probably
But i dont get 1 part, if you can reach top lvl with casual playin whithin 15 daya or even lets say 25 days, where is the problem there?(once again i repeat CASUAL playing) Did you expected loging 3 keltirs and lv80? So you would enjoy 10 days and leave... I really dont get it how do you see L2. Tara is build for long terms else we wouls open different server with different rates and different everything. This is pure lineage as its should have always been.
No time for items? Fine, let farmers produce it for you and you can buy from them for few adeba, trade or eventually spend few coins. Same goes even for chars or exping service...
Tara rates (especially with last changes) are more then atractive and easy.
And you know just because some people are old players and from pro clans doesnt mean automatically they are strong by default, they have to work their way to glory on this server to prove their skills. The famouse name wont create items for you, good organisation will!
So to sum up, this story "hard rates" is overrated, oldies just use it to dodge the reality there are some better organised clans who know how to plan things in time (in game) not on forum.
So at this point ill finalize this rubish story exp is hard and you need to play 23h per day to sub. Totally fake and far from the truth.
Cya on weekend on tournaments and rest of fun!
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 01:20:29 AM
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Cya on weekend on tournaments and rest of fun!
[...]
wow where this came from..... anyway ..... I got it.... no more opnions about rates :D
Cya! s2
Alright, since it's 20 pages of spam behind us ill readdress this...
drake, how about building a system like the "path to awakening" on retail?
I think players having the proper gear would drastically increase and improve the leveling experience.
Maybe no grade to B or A grade (all shadow gear) and then let the players farm end game gear.
Everyone knows it sucks leveling in low C and if your trying to catch up to the main powers you wont be putting effort into C B and A grade.
You could name it "Drakes path to subclassing"
:-p
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 02:48:02 AM
Alright, since it's 20 pages of spam behind us ill readdress this...
drake, how about building a system like the "path to awakening" on retail?
I think players having the proper gear would drastically increase and improve the leveling experience.
Maybe no grade to B or A grade (all shadow gear) and then let the players farm end game gear.
Everyone knows it sucks leveling in low C and if your trying to catch up to the main powers you wont be putting effort into C B and A grade.
You could name it "Drakes path to subclassing"
:-p
Argument it more please with details so everyone else can partecipate.
Requirements? Steps? Reward?
Advantages for the server?
Disadvantages for the server?
Path of Awakening as retail is meant mostly to help new players to catch up with everyone else for a world where everyone is already over-the-top level since years (not exactly our situation as server is fresh).
It would mean the xp rates stay the same but leveling becomes faster because you are properly geared.
Make A grade last 60 days & players then farm top gear.
my biggest turn off here is leveling with a low grade shadow bow.
Retail gets you into the action. Do something similar & I see people loving it.
The dedicated players will still always have an advantage. But it lets people get into the action.
It'll focus your players all in the same zones.. pvp increases, as well as player interaction with each other.
We dont need to overpriced low grade gear so noone can compete.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 02:57:53 AM
It would mean the xp rates stay the same but leveling becomes faster because you are properly geared.
Make A grade last 60 days & players then farm top gear.
my biggest turn off here is leveling with a low grade shadow bow.
Retail gets you into the action. Do something similar & I see people loving it.
You have a great idea bro but Interlude haven't this kind of weapon/armor maybe in higher chronicles yes.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 02, 2014, 02:56:12 AM
Drake, seriamente....... Sull'offi il path system c'è fino a 85, perchè 85 non è un cazzo, essendo da 86 a 99 il vero punto. Il vero momento in cui diventa difficile expare.
Doesnt change what i said:: the only meaning it have is catch-up (i remind you that official is 1x. You know already how hard is tarantula from 1 to 80, imagine 1 to 85 at 1x.)
And if i ask a player about explain better his suggestion because i dont understand his point of view, doesnt mean i wanna implement it the second after. Seriously guys.....Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 02:57:53 AM
It would mean the xp rates stay the same but leveling becomes faster because you are properly geared.
Make A grade last 60 days & players then farm top gear.
my biggest turn off here is leveling with a low grade shadow bow.
Retail gets you into the action. Do something similar & I see people loving it.
But i dont understand the advantages for Tarantula that is "high to low rate" on purpose to not be insta-pvp-gratification.
Why we would speed up leveling more than what we did already? (aka: dynamic rate).
Early levels here are a breeze (30x) and even at lv60 we are around 10x rate (that is 10x faster than official. 1 day here = 10 days there).
For as much as amazing fast official can be with this "outstanding" feature, it still cant be faster than a multiplier on the exp rate.
Everyone seems to forget that official is bounded to 1x rate even if with each chronicle the exp curve gets easier, but still is 1x.
Each chronicle of L2 doesnt boost really the exp rate but simply reduces the exp required for the next level (big difference) and it affects end levels only.
Example? When migrating from GF to H5 we had people with over 100% exp because of the new exp curve.
So, again... i dont see the advantage in it for the "customers" of Tarantula that came here exclusively for the low rate.
For such a feature (and people interested in it) would make more sense to open a new server dedicated for PVP and with only PVP in mind.
Quote from: kramligz on April 02, 2014, 03:05:47 AM
You have a great idea bro but Interlude haven't this kind of weapon/armor maybe in higher chronicles yes. hmmmm But Drake is too powerful maybe he can. lol ;D
Anything can be done but we pretty much said on start: no custom armors/weapons.
C B and A grade gear is not custom.
Try leveling from 1-40, then goto giran and spend 2.5kk on a pair of gloves. Out of the question. Especially after buying class change.
There is nothing enjoyable about lvling in low C grade.
Official IS 1x as is the reference for the exp multipliers.
Else what 1x would be? Ultima Online? ... comeon...
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 03:53:01 AM
C B and A grade gear is not custom.
Try leveling from 1-40, then goto giran and spend 2.5kk on a pair of gloves. Out of the question. Especially after buying class change.
There is nothing enjoyable about lvling in low C grade.
Are you kidding me? Level 74 Antilope in HS drops 13k adena, level 30 random bug in Cruma marshlands drops 8k adena. If you can't make a nuker (or pretty much any DD) and farm up 10kk with a free shadow D weapon in 3 hours for your homu/delu/war axe+SA+class change, then you better leave now, because you would have hard times later on.
edit.
Not to mention, "try leveling..."
Man, you are talking to people who DID level up here WITHOUT those gears being sold in giran atm. When karmian gloves were in cruma tower, not at random guys in giran. Now you just get into an academy who pays your class change, and you can access everything in giran what you might need. You have to farm adena? zomg :( drake pls :(
Yanno, like I originally said, this isn't even about me. I will level up no problem. I'm looking at this objectively and imagining what everyone else thinks that comes to the server as a new player.
They are not going to bother, simple.
Just interested in investing my time in a game/server that will still be live and full of players in 6 months. Otherwise it's a waste of time.
Sorry for having ideas for wanting to bring in more players, lol.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 02, 2014, 04:31:34 AM
Yeah but they significally decreased Exp amount needed to reach 85, so at the end you do 85 in 2 days
http://l2wiki.com/Character_Level
and
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDM1akEwTWJyZ1Rra1ZTb0kzb2s4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0
as you can see from IL to GoD the difference, beside last levels, is not that groundbreaking.
For example:
the exp required in GoD to get lv72, here in IL will give you Lv70.
the exp required in GoD to get lv80 50%, here would give you lv79.
lv84 of GoD = lv80 of IL
What boosts leveling up in GoD is simply the fact that exists mobs with much higher level than 80-83 (obvously) and by power-farming them is obvious you can level up faster.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 04:55:44 AM
Yanno, like I originally said, this isn't even about me. I will level up no problem. I'm looking at this objectively and imagining what everyone else thinks that comes to the server as a new player.
They are not going to bother, simple.
Just interested in investing my time in a game/server that will still be live and full of players in 6 months. Otherwise it's a waste of time.
Sorry for having ideas for wanting to bring in more players, lol.
I understand what do you mean, I don't understand why do you wanna fill the server with players who doesn't even start playing, if they don't get everything for free up to level 76. Because providing B/A grades mean exactly this. Well, I won't miss these kind of players. Not to mention how drastically would such a modification destroy the current market. What you said is not objective, it's crazy on a server like Tarantula.
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 05:06:00 AM
I understand what do you mean, I don't understand why do you wanna fill the server with players who doesn't even start playing, if they don't get everything for free up to level 76. Because providing B/A grades mean exactly this. Well, I won't miss these kind of players. Not to mention how drastically would such a modification destroy the current market. What you said is not objective, it's crazy on a server like Tarantula.
I just think it's rediculous to level in a 10 year old game with absolute shit gear until 7x.
This is why retail did the same thing I am talking about.
How about a poll as to who would be interested in a new server? And what features they would like to see before it launched, lol.
Whats your price Drake? ;-)
So by reading further your comments, now I'm 100% sure you are just asshole trying to kill our server. Please leave.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 02, 2014, 06:57:57 AM
So by reading further your comments, now I'm 100% sure you are just asshole trying to kill our server. Please leave.
Trying to kill the server by making suggestions on how to bring people IN?
I'm sorry you feel that way, never intended for that to happen.
People expect so much in return for what they have done, it's too bad that you are so jaded it blinds you to what's happening.
Hate to argue, it's stupid, I'm making suggestions like I was asked to do. If you do not like them, counter with a logical answer.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 07:17:06 AM
Trying to kill the server by making suggestions on how to bring people IN?
I'm sorry you feel that way, never intended for that to happen.
People expect so much in return for what they have done, it's too bad that you are so jaded it blinds you to what's happening.
Hate to argue, it's stupid, I'm making suggestions like I was asked to do. If you do not like them, counter with a logical answer.
Out of curiosity, what is your char in game?
About official being more easy, obviously you have thay feeling because on off you can log 999999999 walkers on monday and go afk whole week until weekend, they absolutly dont care.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 07:17:06 AM
Trying to kill the server by making suggestions on how to bring people IN?
I'm sorry you feel that way, never intended for that to happen.
People expect so much in return for what they have done, it's too bad that you are so jaded it blinds you to what's happening.
Hate to argue, it's stupid, I'm making suggestions like I was asked to do. If you do not like them, counter with a logical answer.
Pls go back to off. I don't really care about off what's given to you after god. That's not lineage 2 anymore. If you want to turn Tarantula to that shit then more ppl will leave the server.
-1 for idea about shadow items.
Actually on off it kills market TOTALY. Also about l2w at off there l2w - gl bb hf 4ever and mb 5% are using it. off rates on current Lindvior is ~3x. 1x + pa + potions. But still you need half year of nolife to be 99 and 3-4 month to be 100.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 07:17:06 AM
Trying to kill the server by making suggestions on how to bring people IN?
I'm sorry you feel that way, never intended for that to happen.
People expect so much in return for what they have done, it's too bad that you are so jaded it blinds you to what's happening.
Hate to argue, it's stupid, I'm making suggestions like I was asked to do. If you do not like them, counter with a logical answer.
Logical counterpart of your opinions:
You are talking a lot about the current official features;
which are designed for the current official client;
which has NOTHING to do with Interlude.
Those features were introduced for later updates, Interlude does not need those trash modifications to help the idiots get to endgame for free.
Seriously, this shall be on the Log-in screen:
Welcome to Tarantula LOW RATE Interlude. If you have no time/don't want to farm, hidden itemshop appears with ALT+F4. Have Fun!
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 10:19:57 AM
Logical counterpart of your opinions:
You are talking a lot about the current official features;
which are designed for the current official client;
which has NOTHING to do with Interlude.
Those features were introduced for later updates, Interlude does not need those trash modifications to help the idiots get to endgame for free.
Seriously, this shall be on the Log-in screen: Welcome to Tarantula LOW RATE Interlude. If you have no time/don't want to farm, hidden itemshop appears with ALT+F4. Have Fun!
I hate status quoist guys.
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 10:19:57 AM
Logical counterpart of your opinions:
You are talking a lot about the current official features;
which are designed for the current official client;
which has NOTHING to do with Interlude.
Those features were introduced for later updates, Interlude does not need those trash modifications to help the idiots get to endgame for free.
Seriously, this shall be on the Log-in screen: Welcome to Tarantula LOW RATE Interlude. If you have no time/don't want to farm, hidden itemshop appears with ALT+F4. Have Fun!
+1
I dont see here more hundred player to cry about changes only 5-10ppl with lv60 random chars, in nonfactor clans. Just close this topic and ban that 5-10ppl who continuously want retarded changes what the rest of ppl dont (2000+), just let them find a server what is meet their expectations.
Quote from: ZeniT on April 02, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
+1
I dont see here more hundred player to cry about changes only 5-10ppl with lv60 random chars, in nonfactor clans. Just close this topic and ban that 5-10ppl who continuously want retarded changes what the rest of ppl dont (2000+), just let them find a server what is meet their expectations.
what 2000+ ?
blablablala..
say no to hitler that lives within us
Quote from: Abruzzi on April 02, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
I was interested to see what ppl comment on 20+ pages and on first page i loled so hard :D. You tell me and my clan/cp nolifers and you say you can play 12 hours are you fking crazy. Even in the beginning we weren't playing so much. I love ppl calling me nolifer while they grind 12 hours a day you made not my day maybe my month :D
wts reading lessons.
he said 12 hours only in weekend.
Quote from: remeron on April 02, 2014, 12:44:57 PM
what 2000+ ?
blablablala..
say no to hitler that lives within us
Well im sorry if 2000 number bothers you, but thats what it is. Once again i repeat RATES as extremly easy, whoever says diferently probably played on high rates servers so far.
When i get a charname of the topic creator i guess this topic will be locked. There is no sense in it anymore.
Thank you
Rates are kinda ok, it's not so hard to get lvl 78. But change the rules arent so nice.
I just sub one day before that poll, was lvl 78 with 66% and went back to 69 with about 60%. By the new rules i should go to something about lvl 76.
Well, that sux.
Is there anything that can be done? or maybe a little boost? I am not asking to put myself back to 78, but have to exp again after this is kinda desmotivating
PS: i dont hide my char name.
Hide my character name?
Its the same as my forum name, lol.
again, was just ideas and I said 20 times that im playing regardless.
If this wasent an issue there wouldn't be a 25 page thread on it.
Cya in game.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 03:14:34 PM
Hide my character name?
Its the same as my forum name, lol.
again, was just ideas and I said 20 times that im playing regardless.
If this wasent an issue there wouldn't be a 25 page thread on it.
Cya in game.
There is no issues at all, positive opinion always matters as i have told you via pm. I asked your name for easier chat in game. Thats all!
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
Well im sorry if 2000 number bothers you, but thats what it is. Once again i repeat RATES as extremly easy, whoever says diferently probably played on high rates servers so far.
When i get a charname of the topic creator i guess this topic will be locked. There is no sense in it anymore.
Thank you
I'd like to play in a server 2000 pop of quality crowd(ppl play with at least 1 bot, that doesn't mean pop is 2000), thats not what bothers me, U should have known better....
I never demanded a rate increase(though I'd like a slight boost), I only asked for a sub level decrease, partially happened, I am ok with that. To me, this was a crucial move for the sake of the server. luckily gms listened to reason.
my only concern is the future of this server, I dont wana spend hours for a hopeless server, it happened to me before, dont wanna see it happening again...
ps: my nicks ig: svadhisthana, dirennmana, spoilertr
Quote from: remeron on April 02, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I'd like to play in a server 2000 pop of quality crowd(ppl play with at least 1 bot, that doesn't mean pop is 2000), thats not what bothers me, U should have known better....
I never demanded a rate increase(though I'd like a slight boost), I only asked for a sub level decrease, partially happened, I am ok with that. To me, this was a crucial move for the sake of the server. luckily gms listened to reason.
my only concern is the future of this server, I dont wana spend hours for a hopeless server, it happened to me before, dont wanna see it happening again...
ps: my nicks ig: svadhisthana, dirennmana, spoilertr
Well, if something DN is famouse of is consistancy, stability and 10 years existance without wipes. So you can be sure you are at right place with great future.
However we admins always need your help, for spreading good voice and inviting new players to join which will result and enable long lasting server. And i believe that is a goal of every single player under Tarantulas roof!
Thank you and enjoy the game!